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Against a passive villain you can just make an exploitative turn b/f followed by tripling the deck assuming he nearly always jams the nuts over you OTT, and little amount of bluffs

March 7, 2014 | 6:10 p.m.

You're at the absolute top of your own range here, or pretty damn near it, given you should 5b AA/KK a good portion of the time, and that 3betting 77/88 pre is probably something you do <5% of the time.

So no, don't fold here, unless you do so to exploit his lack of a bluffing range.

Knowing how the better live pros play at this level (in my experience), it would be even less of a fold because they are usually too bluff heavy.

Jan. 31, 2014 | 4:12 p.m.


Jan. 31, 2014 | 3:04 p.m.

Games with the most streets (that takes out 5CD the 2 street game immediately, and forces us on the 2-7NL TD, PLO, NLH type games).

Of the ones named above, from experience, PLO would have the biggest advantage, followed by TD, followed by NLH. For pure draw games I would guess NL TD, but I have little experience in baduci badacey, and padooki

Jan. 1, 2014 | 6:08 p.m.

Dec. 19, 2013 | 4:11 p.m.

PT4 comes with what seems to be a notecaddy clone, in 2 years I have never used a note from there. SO I wouldn't go around advising to spend almost 3 digits on that software no

Dec. 16, 2013 | 3:42 a.m.

I am a coach for CardRunners, so it's probably a huge no-no to come here and tell you I'm an option.

You can PM me if you are interested. I'll leave it at that, I would feel wrong actively soliciting players out of the competitor training site's customers

Dec. 16, 2013 | 3:41 a.m.

Why not check flop? Once you get a coldcaller in the pot, it takes a lot of bluffs out of your cbet range, and makes it seem like checking flop would be better since they would end up playing their ranges right against your hand when you cbet, no?

Oct. 12, 2013 | 1:17 a.m.

No offense, but you have little business in a game like that if you 3bet 7332 based on your emotions.

I think that's better advice than whatever strategy I could give

Oct. 11, 2013 | 7:27 p.m.

Fish who minCR flop => pot turn is the nutty nutty nuts line

Sept. 18, 2013 | 2:17 a.m.

PM me, I play HU and 6 max at 200 too

Sept. 18, 2013 | 2:11 a.m.

No clue why you lead this flop 3 way when you have the hand with which free cards are beneficial.

Sept. 11, 2013 | 10:08 p.m.

I agree that AKQ is "the best" bluffcatcher, and that AK is also likely better to call turn than our specific hand, so in theory it would be a fold from a "we're not in the top 50% of our bluffcatch range" look at the spot.

I'm guessing the question comes more from an exploitative point of view? I mean if he feels he can bet QQxx on river he's either clicking serious buttons (as it turned out he was in the match) or he feels he's bluffing a nearly insane amount in this spot

Sept. 11, 2013 | 10:04 p.m.

Hand History | VodkaHaze posted in PLO: Deep $200 HU, river spot
BB: $0
BN: $419
SB: $586 (Hero)
22 hands into the match, villain 3bet 5/7 times, and pot sized cbet 100% so far (even on atrocious flops to do so, like 643ss, J44r so far). He checkraised pot both of my cbets when he played a single raised pot Oop
Preflop ($3.00) (2 Players)
Hero was dealt 4 8 4 8
Hero raises to $6, BN raises to $18, Hero calls $12
Flop ($39.00) 6 A 6 (2 Players)
BN bets $36, Hero calls $36
I think if I'm going to float a non Ax hand, this is the right hand to do it with
Turn ($111.00) 6 (2 Players)
BN bets $108, Hero calls $108
River ($327.00) 3 (2 Players)
BN bets $257, Hero calls $257
Final Pot
BN has Q 9 Q J BN wins $837

Sept. 11, 2013 | 12:52 p.m.

Check flop back is best

Sept. 8, 2013 | 2:33 p.m.

Yeah, sorry I had to answer that in <1minutes, I couldn't explain myself.

IDK where reads are; some posters say he has a VPIP of 70, I can't see where that's said. So I'll just play GTO in those cases

We are at the top of our range on flop (and turn tbh). We wouldn't fold flop even if villain showed us 33xx, since we're getting direct odds to draw to the nuts

This turn hits villain's range much harder than ours, meaning he will likely continue with his bluffs here OTT expecting us to fold overpairs (>70% of our expected range). He pots turn, so he needs to fold 50% of our range if he has complete air; if we fold this hand we fold more around 80-90% of our range.

So if we fold this turn we're basically saying "you're a complete nit and I'm exploiting the hell out of you", since we never continue here with our range. I haven't seen such reads, so I'll say "don't fold the top of your range against an unknown".

I could see a turn c/r semibluff or c/c. Against a PSB I much prefer a c/c, since his valuebet range is going to be much more nut heavy (from experience)

River is interesting because I could see all options being good depending on our expectations. I don't mind folding if he's a 70/10 kind of player, or calling if he's more of a crazy 70/40 aggrotard. If we thought he had a fold button I could even see a CRAI being cool, but against fishes I wouldn't tempt it.

To answer ZZzzZZZzz, I'd just say he has "33xx", "4x" and "bluffs" in his range on flop. I won't venture into trying to quantify what hands he chooses to bluff with, but I would guess 355x and 9966 kind of hands seem to fit as bluffs

Sept. 7, 2013 | 10:37 p.m.

I think Durrrr feels he can 3bet wide here, because it is really hard to 4bet wide at these stack sizes Oop (even a hand like 2368x isn't nutty, so from a UTG/MP range you can't show up with many pats or 2347nut draws). Apparently he thinks he can do it as wide as 23xxx, which is reasonable since he is often going to flop enough equity to continue in the hand.

On flop, Galfond didn't 4bet pre and drew 1, so his range is overwhelmingly full of 8 high 1 card draws (like 2368, 3458, etc). Those are capped at the 5th nuts, so they'll have a pretty hard time withstanding 1000bb's worth of pressure. Even a hand like 24568 won't want to raise/reraise/stackoff for an SPR of 30 (!).

All of this to say Durrr probably thought Galfond couldn't bet/3bet flop very wide, and probably had a nuttier hand than Galfond (2347x kind of stuff).

Once 2nd draw comes and both draw 1, I would think Durrr actually has a stronger range than galfond, and the rest of the hand seems fairly standard.

Sept. 7, 2013 | 10:12 p.m.

You would be 50/50 in theory between J7532 and 7532, but in practice, if villain draws 1, he blocks some of our outs, so the pat J has quite a bit more "real equity"

Sept. 7, 2013 | 9:52 p.m.

I would 3bet turn, and not cap last street

Sept. 7, 2013 | 9:46 p.m.

Folding either the flop or the turn is ridiculous

Sept. 7, 2013 | 6:16 p.m.

Standard break, yeah

Sept. 7, 2013 | 5:57 p.m.

Comment | VodkaHaze commented on PLO 50 river play

3bet pre

I would tend towards check raising turn. If I had a bigger sample to know he's nitty, c/c becomes fine

I c/c this river, leading this here is pretty bad for your overall range. If you lead, folding a J high flush to a raise seems insanely exploitative. I wouldn't lead this card to fold the toppity top of my range to a raise for this price against an unknown

Sept. 7, 2013 | 5:53 p.m.

I would seriously think about 3betting flop small, b/c is OK but often leads to spot where villain plays cautiously on turns we bink. Moreover, if he c/rs a lot, we should be bet/3betting flop a decent amount with dominating hands and bluffs.

Think turn is higher EV as a flat in a vacuum, unless you expect him to bet/stackoff naked Queens up and worse. If you think he checkraises an inordinately high amount, letting him barrel is often a good idea.

Sept. 1, 2013 | 1:56 p.m.

The bluff-rebluff route should work out in our favor if we're the ones in position. If it goes into "air wars" on a flop like 733r, we should be coming out long run winner.

If a guy c/rs >20%, just cbet the range you expect to be GTO (somewhere around 65%, well constructed, mostly dominating), and don't fold big parts of your range to c/rs anywhere. He'll end up owning himself playing huge pots Oop if we play solid poker

Aug. 31, 2013 | 1:58 p.m.

It's an OK hand to c/f from time to time if you're perceived to have a balanced c/c and c/r range

Aug. 31, 2013 | 12:48 p.m.

I'm AggroTequila on pokerstars, I also coach for CardRunners under the pseudonym "VodkaHaze". I posted my side of the match on CR

Aug. 30, 2013 | 6:23 p.m.

pretty straightforward b/f, with a few turn barrel opportunities.

Getting it in would be pretty awesome spew. To make it simpler than it is, you would be putting in $46 to win 46+46+16= 108. So you need 46/108 = ~42% equity versus his stackoff range to get it in.

Aug. 30, 2013 | 6:22 p.m.

I think betting turn is far better than checking. Betting has  a few merits, it creates some good 3barrel opportunities, we have good FE+equity versus his calling range, and I would expect his turn raise frequency  here to be below 5% (he should call=>call a lot of his boat combos that don't raise flop, so he shouldn't have much of a bluff range)

Checking OTOH creates this scenario, a bad c/r spot, few rivers he bets we can actually bluffcatch on (some diamonds, Q, he's unlikely to bet a K too often and definitely doesn't bluff A rivers often) when we c/c.

That said, as played, we're not folding against this bet size, that would be folding WAY too much of our range for the odds he's laying himself. c/c seems least of all evils, planning to c/c a diamond K and Q river, c/r an A river, c/f the rest.

As an aside, you can notice that his small bet size means that our turn continuing range gets wider, which means in conjunction that we should c/f AA and KK that c/c turn much less often on blank rivers when he fires the last barrel.

Aug. 30, 2013 | 6:15 p.m.

Definitely check IMO, and I lean towards CRAI if BTN bets and SB folds

This specific hand has a bunch of upsides in keeping the pot small by first checking; dominated often, can call one bet on almost any turn, makes your checking range stronger, etc. Betting creates a couple of nightmares when you get raised and when you get called

Aug. 30, 2013 | 5:42 p.m.

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