I was wondering about this too. I play 200nl and 500nl on US sites (where the rake is even higher) and I am really concerned most regs aren't aware of how rake affects things given I have a pretty large winrate in these games and I'm not 100% clear on it either.
This might be a case of sauce overestimating the awareness of midstakes regs? I feel like in my games at least regs love calling 3bs OOP way too wide so this adjustment may not work.
Feb. 2, 2019 | 12:13 a.m.
Sick idea phil. I think the splash pots will be really nice to mix up the bits of monotony pro players face, and give low volume recs a chance to get lucky here and there.
As silly as it sounds I was sort of hoping for a chest like system and traditional rewards in some way. It does feel really satisfying grinding out a month and popping some rewards even if I KNOW the system is terrible, it still scratches that gamble itch. But I'm really excited for this system as well, it might end up being more fun.
Phil Galfond Serious question: Have you guys considered adding something like bomb pots or straddles as an option? Live poker at the 5/10 to 10/20 level in the US has really benefited from bomb pots (though splash pots will have a similar effect I imagine) by forcing gamble in a way that recreational players like. Not sure if this translates the same to online tbh. Just curious.
Feb. 1, 2019 | 5:37 a.m.
Best theory vid I've seen in months. Thanks Daniel!
Sept. 18, 2018 | 3:54 a.m.
Really happy you guys went with the anon/HUDless tables. All the US sites that do this retain the best action and I think its pretty obvious this is the direction we have to go. I can't tell you how many rec players/live low stakes pros I've talked to that are immediately turned off of online poker because they feel HUDs are unbeatable and borderline cheating.
Anyone who thinks this isn't a real issue I really encourage you to just ask around about it at the next live tourney series you go to. I always get the same answer, online poker is too intimidating. Its really important to protect the rec player at this point. If that means you have to take a 20% paycut to keep the games healthy over a longer period of time its +EV and not even close. This is coming from someone in the midstakes streets every day.
I do hope you allow people to download their HHs with anonymous villains so we can at least analyze our own stats in a vacuum.
I hope rio poker does well (even though I won't be able to play there!). Good luck phil.
May 7, 2018 | 8:27 p.m.
I think these vids for the most part are better without a hud. If you do find a spot where you are making a wide diversion from your normal line due to a hud stat, just reference that and move on. Its not like we know or have the time to figure out what your 100000 stats are.
Great vid though either way, overall really like seeing a new face in the cash streets!
April 9, 2018 | 7:16 a.m.
Please do more videos like this. I'm actually very surprised there isn't more high stakes railbird type content here. TYTY
April 2, 2018 | 9:09 a.m.
You mentioned above you might do a video on/relating to burnout in the future. I struggle with burnout quite a lot and I think managing burnout efficiently is one of those things that holds back a lot of mid stakes players like myself. I think the rio community could benefit a lot hearing your thoughts on the subject!
Great series overall, thanks again
Aug. 10, 2017 | 5:31 p.m.
Hey Tyler, not sure if my logic is flawed or not but wouldn't it make sense to open larger in these high rake environments? It seems like 3x would let us take down more pots pre. Obviously we are giving up some EV by opening larger especially from late position so maybe it isn't worth it even with rake considerations.
April 14, 2017 | 2:58 a.m.
Leading turn is good because in live poker MOST villains will checkback turn with very close to their whole range. So we don't have to protect that spot vs what people are actually doing so it may be better to lead and get value from sets/2p/fd+pair
Jan. 23, 2017 | 12:22 p.m.
Your most recent vid was right on the front page for NLHE actually so I just happened to recognize the name and did a little stalking to find this thread. Yeah I asked around on that hand as well. Consensus was you should fold turn and I should fold KQ/KJ otr, call with AK+. I'll hopefully be at the Bellagio 5/10 most of the summer so I'm sure we'll get some more hands in the future
Jan. 14, 2017 | 3:38 a.m.
I can't believe this is a thread on RIO. This sounds like an r/poker thread. Unless you are a MASSIVE tellbox checking dark is never a better strategy than looking at the flop then checking. You should have some forms of turn leads in your game so turn dark checking is horrible beyond reason.
Curious who the reg that does this is. I grind B 5/10 for a living and can't think of who it might be.
June 14, 2016 | 3:58 a.m.
3b pot vs jesse sylvia
Hey all. Hand happened yesterday at the bellagio 5/10.
Villain: Jesse Sylvia. I remember him from the ME a few years back but don't really know his cash game background. We've played a few pots thru the night. Notably I opened from CO and he peeled BB. I checked back a K89r flop with plan to delay cbet and he lead 4r turn for potsize. Pretty sure he doesn't think I'm protecting my flop checkback ranges.
Hero: Average 5/10 grinder.
Hero opens HJ to 40 with Ac4c
Fish calls from CO
Villain 3bs to 160 from SB, MP folds, Hero calls, fish folds
I think I might have made a mistake here by checking flop but not sure. His small squeeze made me think he is merging his 3bs and playing all continues as a raise and will have A2s-A5s, ATs+ in his range here. So I went with checkback.
Villain bets 260, Hero calls
Villain bets 850
His large sizing on river definitely seemed like he wanted to make it look polarized. If his range is polarized to AA/QQ for value + bluffs I have to call obviously. But given the action it really felt like he was merging and might have AJ/AT in his range. I also don't know if higher stakes players will turn JJ/TT into bluffs here since they block my best calling hands. Or whether or not he plays AK/AQ like this maybe 10% of the time as a mix. I don't see this line very often at 5/10 so I'm having a hard time working out his range.
April 14, 2016 | 3:08 a.m.
Hey Sauce, on that KK hand at 20:35 you say villain is going to have to fold much more than 1-a on the flop. 1-a is .77 in this spot so villain has to defend 77% of his range. Does this mean that a theoretically 'perfect' betsize would be one where villain only has enough reasonable combos to defend exactly 1-a?
So I'm not sure if I grasp this theory properly. Does this mean if villain is playing tight from the BB we can up our sizing in this spot and if villain is playing a lot of hands we can scale down?
Thanks for the vid as always!
Feb. 5, 2016 | 8:55 p.m.
I think in order for this to be a call we would have to think villain is going to turn a decent number of his one pair hands into bluffs. There just aren't that many combos of no pair/no spade hands villain can c/c with on this flop so his river leading range is going to be very showdown heavy (thus less bluffs). The average reg at this limit is going to bet Ts+ and try to get to showdown with everything else. So unless you have a read that villain will get out of line here I would play the population and just fold.
I think you're going to get shown JxTs type hands every time here
Jan. 21, 2016 | 7:49 a.m.
Really great video. Very applicable for us live players :)
Jan. 19, 2016 | 3:16 a.m.
Stack sizes are really weird here. If we were deeper triple barrel seems good and if we were shallower we could put in stacks on the turn without making such a huge ridiculous bet.
1) cb is mandatory imo
2) 1/3 is better on this dry of a board.
3) bet all A/K/T/h turns? The problem is if he calls turn we don't have room left to get him off any hands on the river so maybe we should be barreling less frequently on turn
Jan. 14, 2016 | 5:29 a.m.
Hey guys. Game is 5/10 with a mandatory straddle at aria. We are playing 4 handed.
Hero: Standard mid 20s kid in a hoodie. I play 5/10 for a living but this game is admittedly well out of my bankroll and experience. I'm not used to playing 10/20 or shorthand so the $ might have influenced my thought process in a negative way during the game.
Villain: Rec player, likes to gamble. Very friendly. A few hands prior he had minraised my flop cb on a K93 flop after calling 100 from straddle and seeing flop 3way. Bets 1/3 pot IP on turn 8o, then bombs 1250 into a pot of 1500 on river 6. I folded but he said he had 66 and thought I would be a nit and fold any pair to that line but 'accidentally' got there on the river. However he never showed his hand.
Hero raises BTN to $70 with 9cTc. Eff stacks $2500
Villain calls from SB, fold, fold.
Flop 9hThJc (pot $170)
Hero bets $120, Villain c/r to $430. Hero calls.
Turn Ao (pot $1030)
Villain bets $800 after tanking for some time.
First question is can we peel another card here? Obviously I did call but this might be where I should have folded since many rivers are going to be impossible to play. I'm starting to think that if we were deeper and had more implied odds on boating up that this is an easy call, but only having around 60bbs behind going to the river doesn't seem good in retrospect.
River 2o (pot $2630)
Villain ships for $1200
Any advise here playing against villains like this? I had a hard time ranging him (and maybe leveled myself from the prior hand). We block both of the likely sets and villain would certainly raise JJ preflop, and probably some nonzero combos of KQ. I know FDs are in villains range on the turn at least, but since he would likely check A high hearts we can discount a lot of those bluff combos unfortunately. Thoughts?