Really appreciate any advice on strategy for live/soft Big O (5 card PLO8). Looking for something similar to the old 2+2 guide for live PLO but for Big O (for live PLO it was play QQxx+, any suited ace, 9876+, limp them in and get it in with the nuts)
March 2, 2020 | 5:49 p.m.
Hey Nick Johnson Thanks again for your great advice on FR live-type PLO. I'd like to figure out 6max for soft pools - are there some resources you'd suggest? I think the main things I'm trying to figure out are honing in on preflop ranges and the more marginal situations you get into postflop in 6max.
Also, like how much time do you think it takes to become a winner in soft 6max PLO games? I'm working on playing professionally and my NL winrate is getting there but I see these fishy PLO games that I want to get in on
June 1, 2019 | 5:30 p.m.
Really helpful, Ryan. Your videos, especially the one on game theory ratios, have been fundamental to my game even after I've transitioned to cash. So it's great to see a cash video from you.
I'm experimenting with a 6max game where everyone antes a tenth of their stack each hand, I'd like to run some strategies by you:
- Stay as short as possible and rathole after a double because the short stacks get to realize their equity better. If you dwindle down to being very short that's actually a high EV spot.
- Along the same lines, try to join a game where people are deep so we can benefit when they force each other out of pots and the fact that they generally have to play more cautiously.
- Shoving unraised pots with any broadways, any Ace, K6s+, x9s+, pocket pairs, varying some by position but being careful not to adjust too much for position because people are limp / calling a fair amount with decent hands. Keeping the occasional limped monster in our range as well at aggressive tables. Then just making standard adjustments to these ranges by whether other people's frequencies are off.
- So far I'm losing at this game type over a tiny sample size, can't tell if it's variance, a rake issue, or a strategy issue. Anecdotally, seems like I keep getting sucked out or running into the tops of people's ranges lol. It seems that people in this game do have pretty bad ranges though.
Also appreciate any other ideas you might have for this game type
May 30, 2019 | 5:26 p.m.
Thanks for the reply! Already making money by increasing my iso raising size per your video
Are there any resources you'd recommend for tips like that on max exploiting these sorts of player pools? There's so many different directions to go in with studying and I'm trying to focus on what's going to be most applicable for Global, which has a similar player pool of limping fish and regs
May 29, 2019 | 6:42 a.m.
May 27, 2019 | 11:35 p.m.
That's helpful to hear that the high freq XR counter is effective. I watched Phil's older MTT video How I Exploit You on raising flops and was pretty sure that it would apply to today's cash games as well, and now I can confidently proceed to employ the strat.
May 26, 2019 | 9:20 p.m.
Appreciated how your use of the solver was easy to understand. Are there any resources you'd recommend on getting started with PIO and / or walkthroughs of starter takeaways? I mainly play cash and I'm not quite ready to get PIO yet but I am looking to be prepared to be able to use it once I get it.
May 26, 2019 | 9:13 p.m.
Also it sounds like you're waiting for good hole cards to go after this guy. Try to sit with position on him and play nearly as many hands as he is. You have a huge edge postflop and need to get his stacks before other people do.
May 26, 2019 | 5:23 a.m.
Hey man if you haven't seen Garrett's videos here that discuss playing vs. maniac's, really recommend checking them out. Watched them yesterday and I can already notice my winrate increasing as I've expanded my ranges considerably to stack maniacs before other people can get to them.
If he's almost always going to 3b or raise, we can limp some hands pre to give ourselves better implied odds to hit a hand and then let him blast off postflop. It's also just going to be easier to play and lower variance to keep the pots smaller until we hit something (a pair) that we can call them all the way down to the river with.
Flop we can x/raise rather than call. (See Galfond's how I exploit you video.) Our draw isn't that great but his range is unpolarized garbage that he is over-cbetting. A raise will put him in a tough spot and there are lots of cards we can barrel on.
We'll actually make more by x/r turn with our draws rather than betting into him. Roughly same reasoning as on the flop.
If we hit we can x/c turn and river since most of his range is air and we want him to keep trying to bluff us. I make sure to fake think about it a bit in these spots so they don't stop trying to bluff us. I'd also call his river shove in this spot.
May 26, 2019 | 4:48 a.m.
Amazing video! Taking a stab at the homework re: adjustments vs. Mr. Green IP as caller:
We should over cbet a polarized range:
- Value because he has a low bet on missed cbet and if we don't bet then the money isn't going in. When he does call or raise he has a tight range that we can cooler.
- Double barrel bluffs because he overfolds on both the flop and turn.
Given that he underbluffs, we should overfold vs. his probe bets. If he doesn't bet after we miss our cbet then we can overbluff the next street. It would be useful to know his folding frequencies vs. delayed cbets after he doesn't bet on missed cbet (likely very high and an exploitable weak range). It would also be useful to know his river stats especially considering that he is IP in this case.
May 25, 2019 | 2:44 a.m.
Most fish min raises are nutted while a minority of recs min raise to slow you down. The fact that he's passive leans toward him being nutted here. If I don't know what his min raise strategy is yet then I wouldn't be looking to play for stacks here. I'm guessing he showed down the flopped set.
Also agree on betting close to pot on the flop to charge draws and get value vs. a loose and inelastic calling range.
May 24, 2019 | 5:31 a.m.
Thanks Qing! How would you recommend getting started with GTO+ with respect to applying it to live-type pools, or is there a resource you'd point to?
Looking to move up as quickly as possible to play professionally and will need to find a balance between getting in volume, working with the solver, and reviewing training videos.
May 21, 2019 | 1:37 a.m.
Take specific notes on everybody. Tag everyone - if they're playing limping in or playing a partial stack then they're probably a station and you can bet huge each street with TPGK. Note what kinds of cards they're playing (eg suited junk, any ace, offsuit broadways) and how are they playing their different types of hands (eg playing draws aggressively or passively and what do they do when they hit). Note their bet sizing - eg for some guys min raise is always the nuts and for some guys min raise is a weak hand. They're playing way too many hands so figure out what they do with them, do they fold the turn, bluff raise, call down to the river, then exploit that. In the end, you're value betting better than they are, calling down the maniacs, and getting out of the way when stations check raise their river'd gutshot.
Anyway, I'd be happy to talk more about Global. Here's a link to a study group where a number of us are playing there: https://join.slack.com/t/riostudygroup/shared_invite/enQtNjMxNzYwMjkzMzE5LTE5MjIzNGFmMDZkZjhkODE2Njc3NTcwM2MxNjVjYWVlOTE2NzJlYzVlODhkMjMzNGZjNzJiZWU4Njg1NTVjODQ
May 21, 2019 | 1:10 a.m.
Terrific! Great to see videos on live and live-type pools (e.g., ignition)
Are there training resources you've found especially helpful for playing in live-type player pools? I have a decent winrate in 50 - 200nl, but as I move up a couple things I'm working on are dealing with more preflop aggression and missed flops vs sticky players. I haven't purchased a solver yet because I'm not sure if it's the best use of my time until I get into bigger games with more good players
May 21, 2019 | 12:48 a.m.
Any tips or materials you'd recommend for live PLO? I've just started with PLO very recently and I'm hoping it plays similarly to 10 nl, where it has been super easy stacking worse hands
Eg I found Aesah's old posts on 2p2 to be helpful and am going through the content available for micros here, Galfond and Nick Johnson both have some training videos on PLO micros