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fuzzbox

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Yeah, I don't expect the 3bettor to fold very often. I expect the original raiser to fold a good amount.

lighter 3bettor range includes lots of hands I do very well against like Q, J & T hi ds rundowns. I expect to get called by those and win via flop shove or when we both hit but I hit better.

In the actual hand, the 3better had top of his range - double suited Aces with one of my suits covered, he shoved, I called and lost.

Nov. 15, 2019 | 3:18 p.m.

3bet is fine. When villains raise flop, usually you are beat, and they rarely, if ever fold after they raise. So you don't have FE and villain likely has you beat. So I think you should just fold.

In my experience, raise = big hand - top 2, set, or some monster draw (although they tend to more often call than raise).

Nov. 13, 2019 | 12:47 p.m.

I think you get shown AA with flush draw here a whole lot when villain 3bets and pots the flop.
Still, we cannot fold.

Nov. 13, 2019 | 12:43 p.m.

Agreed, I just pot it here.
You will still get hands like 9987, JT87 with T-hi spades, AAJT with spades and of course naked 99 to play along.

There are too many cards where you won't know what to do to be worth slowplaying. I guess only offsuit 2, 3 and 4 give you any confidence, so I repot.

Oct. 23, 2019 | 9:59 a.m.

PLO 0.05/0.10

Stacks around 100BBs

Pre
Button opens 3.5BB, SB 3bets 10.5BB. We have a note that SB 3bets light. Hero is BB and we look down at Kd Qc Jd Tc and 4bet.

Do we like it?

Oct. 23, 2019 | 9:55 a.m.

PLO 0.05/0.10

150BBs deep.

Pre
Hero opens AAxx (I don't remember suits or side cards) UTG for pot (3.5 BBs), villain 3bets SB (10.5BBs), Hero 4bets, (44BBs or so), villain calls.

Flop (90BBs) with roughly 1 PSB left each.
Qh Qd 2s. Villain checks. I shoved.

I suspect we always stack off, but I wonder if it is better to check-back and hope to widen his range to include some bluffs. Or do we just close our eyes and shove and win the large pot in the middle often enough to be a good play?

Oct. 23, 2019 | 9:52 a.m.

Post | fuzzbox posted in PLO: 350 BBs deep, 4bet pot, AA.

PLO 0.05/0.10

UTG - Hero 350 BBs deep
UTG + 1 - 150 BBs deep
SB - Villain 350 BBs deep

Pre
Hero AhAsJh8c opens pot (3.5BB), UTG + 1 repots (10.5BB), SB cold calls. Hero repots (circa 45BBs), both opponents call.

Flop (circa 145 BBs in the middle)
8s 6d 2d

SB leads pot (145 BBs). Hero is next to act. SPR is around 2, and I have UTG+1 behind me with 100 BBs left in his stack.

I have no diamonds. I hold an 8, blocking top set. I don't have much by way of redraw. There is a lot of money already out there.

Your move?

Oct. 23, 2019 | 9:12 a.m.

Betting the flop is fine, but is a good board for evil villains to attack you light. I don't think I see much light attacking though, which makes betting a good option, because if you get raised you can safely fold and you get him to fold a bunch of things with good equity against your hand. Half pot is likely enough to get it done. Most villains won't bluff raise as they expect AAxx to stack off on this board.

Oct. 11, 2019 | 4:08 p.m.

I'd bet here. You have a reasonable chance of having the best hand, you have 2 nut bdoor flush draws, a gutter and some two-pair/trip outs that might be good.

I'd probably pot/call

Oct. 11, 2019 | 4:05 p.m.

This is an interesting hand.
This deep, it is hard to see villains stuffing such large quantities of money into the pot with naked AAxx. On an 89x board, he bets, gets called and then when the turn puts fd, he fires pot.

In my experience of these stakes, you are often facing a set, 2pair +fd, a big wrap + fd or an outside chance of overpair + fd (often with a gutter or a pair from the board).

I'd estimate you are toast vs that turn potting range.
I think you should fold, although I usually don't and then I usually regret it.

Oct. 7, 2019 | 8:54 a.m.

At these stakes - I think you should pot/call here.
While we are blocking normal, reasonable, continuing ranges, villains have tendencies to call with lots of suspect stuff.
Worst case, villain has 3x4x or 55xx and you are in trouble.Even still, you have reasonable equity. Most of the time, villains have have Qxxx with weak diamonds. Or Q5xx or 25xx. Or KKxx with diamonds. Or just KKxx with no diamonds.

Oct. 7, 2019 | 8:46 a.m.

Based on what I'm seeing in similar spots, I fold the flop here. When shorty leads pot, he most often has a strong made hand such as a set or top 2. In your best case he has a wrap or a pair+wrap. Either way, you are often in bad shape.

Additionally, you aren't closing the action, and you have a deeper stack behind you.

I fold to the flop pot bet.

May 18, 2019 | 4:24 p.m.

Stakes $0.05/$0.1

Stacks
Hero (UTG+1) $15
Villain (BB) $20
Villain (UTG) $10

UTG limps, Hero opens $0.35 AhAs8h7s, 1 call, BB calls, UTG calls

Pot $1.41
Flop 6s 5h 3s

BB leads for pot, UTG calls, action on hero.

So, the question is - what is the best play here.
Clearly my equity is great, with nut flush draw, open ended straight draw, backdoor nut flush draw and overpair.
But BB looks like he has a hand he likes a lot - perhaps the nuts, and UTG also likely has something strong, although it seems unlikely to be the nuts.

Option 1 - Raise and GII here with good equity
Option 2 - call and call again on non-pairing turns, and try to hit - perhaps saving some $$ when I miss.

What do you like?

April 29, 2019 | 11:45 a.m.

Normally I just fold here. I'd want a bunch of reads before continuing here.
I don't find many villains taking us on with bare top pair.
Your bet sizing is fine. You could go half pot if you wanted, which would also be fine as the board is so dry.
That he raises with button yet to act is an even clearer indication of strength.

fwiw - I don't always 3bet this AA when out of position. It's ok, being single suited, but not super given it's disconnected. But you are oop, and both are likely to call, which leaves you kinda guessing postflop most of the time.

April 24, 2019 | 4:55 p.m.

I think a bet is fine, to help stubborn AAxx to fold.
His line looks an awful lot like AA56 or something like that. I think your bet is good, you would certainly call a pot bet with this hand on the turn, so it seems fine to bet hard and try to get additional fold equity instead of checking to try to hit and get paid.

Either line is good, but this board seems better for your range than his, so I like your bet/call line.

April 12, 2019 | 2 p.m.

Comment | fuzzbox commented on [PLO25] AQT8s 3bet pot

You could check/raise the river.

April 12, 2019 | 1:53 p.m.

Post | fuzzbox posted in PLO: KKQJss deep vs 3bet

Effective stacks 200 BBs.
Stakes 0.05/0.1
Notes on villain are along the lines of 3bet T986ss, 3bet AQJ5ss and so on. He is aggro and seems reasonably good.

I'm not 100% sure of the sizings and stack sizes, but its close enough.

Hero opens pot KsKhQcJc, villain 3bets from the BB, hero calls.

Flop (21 BBs)
Kc 5s 3c
Villain bets 16 BBs. I call.

I raise here very often, but in this case I have top set and 2nd nut flush draw, and the board has 2 low cards. I figured this would be a good spot to call and let villain keep bluffing.

Turn (53BBs)
9c
Villain bets 45 BBs, I call

It seems clear to me that villain holds Ac. I call here because I may have the best hand, and I can fill up on the river.

River (143BBs)
8h
Villain bets pot, putting me all in (100 BBs to call)

Your move?
I have 2nd nut flush, 2 club blockers, so am I good often enough to call?

April 10, 2019 | 6:50 p.m.

This one is confusing.
I'm not sure why you want to turn your hand into a bluff.
You have a strong hand that might be the best hand, or can draw to make the best hand. Your best line is to keep his bluffs in, so you get value when you are ahead.
Taking the line you take means you get all his money in the middle only when you are ahead.

If you are behind, you have lots of outs and if you are ahead you want him to keep bluffing.
I guess the only reason I can see for raising is to try to get Q9x to fold.

I think call is far superior to raising here.

April 9, 2019 | 6:42 p.m.

I'd bet the flop TBH. I'd frequently bluff this board after raising, so I need to bet it with a real hand. There are also a bazillion draws out there, so players can float and call with draws.

As played, check-raise is probably the play, because too often it goes check/check on the river if you call and check.

I'd prefer bet the flop, then chk/callthe turn if you want to get fancy, repping AA/KK or something and let him try to blow you off/value bet his flush.

April 8, 2019 | 6:34 p.m.

Once he bets that size on the flop, he isn't folding. Save your money.

April 8, 2019 | 6:29 p.m.

I'd fold preflop before I opened.
I'd fold preflop to the 3bet
I wouldn't lead the flop. If you really want to bluff, better to check/raise.
I wouldn't check/raise the turn when villain bets so large. Villains never fold when they do and usually have you crushed.

I guess your hand is pretty weak. You can try a steal, but once you get caught, time to dump it in the muck.

April 2, 2019 | 2:31 p.m.

Comment | fuzzbox commented on AJJ9 gets 3bet

Fun thread. Thanks for all the responses.

I decided to lead for pot with my OESD and pair. Villain shoved, I called.
He showed AsTs3d2d and my hand stood up.

I think I should have 4bet this hand vs this villain.

April 2, 2019 | 2:28 p.m.

Comment | fuzzbox commented on AJJ9 gets 3bet

I have an OESD on this board to go with my JJ.

March 31, 2019 | 3:16 p.m.

Hand History | fuzzbox posted in PLO: KJJ5ds
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players) MP: $19.53
CO: $0.00
BN: $12.19
SB: $11.51
BB: $18.13 (Hero)
UTG: $17.19
Preflop ($0.15) Hero is BB with J 6 K J
2 folds, BN raises to $0.35, SB folds, Hero calls $0.25
Flop ($0.75) K T A
Hero checks, BN bets $0.36, Hero raises to $1.44, BN calls $1.08
I decide to check raise JJ blockers with 2nfd
Turn ($3.63) K T A 6
Hero bets $2.58, BN calls $2.58
When he calls, I figure something like AA, KK, AK, perhaps with Q, perhaps with fd. I decide to bet again to setup river shove on blanks and spades
River ($8.79) K T A 6 A
Hero checks, BN bets $2.95, Hero folds
The worst river in the deck I guess. Pairs the A, I c/f
Final Pot BN wins $8.36
Rake is $0.43

March 31, 2019 | 11:11 a.m.

Once you bet, I think you need to call.

OTT - the most obvious draw hit, so I tend to check-back.

March 31, 2019 | 10:46 a.m.

Comment | fuzzbox commented on AJJ9 gets 3bet

This generated a lot of fun debate, with all 3 options recommended. Nice work everybody. I guess it is an interesting spot.

In the hand, I called.

Flop Qs Ts 4d.

I'm OOP - your move?

March 31, 2019 | 10:32 a.m.

Hand History | fuzzbox posted in PLO: AJJ9 gets 3bet
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players) BB: $12.48
UTG: $24.09
MP: $10.24 (Hero)
CO: $8.10
BN: $9.98
SB: $13.37
Preflop ($0.15) Hero is MP with J 9 A J
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.35, CO raises to $1.20, 3 folds, Hero
My notes say things like 3bet AKJ3sss, 3bet a shorty with K953ds. Your move?

March 30, 2019 | 5:25 p.m.

Hand History | fuzzbox posted in PLO: Easy river call ... or easy river fold?
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players) MP: $13.59 (Hero)
CO: $18.33
BN: $9.31
SB: $10.00
BB: $9.45
UTG: $15.58
Preflop ($0.15) Hero is MP with 9 7 8 A
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25
Flop ($1.05) A J 2
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks
Turn ($1.05) A J 2 7
SB bets $1.00, BB folds, Hero calls $1.00
River ($3.05) A J 2 7 A
SB bets $2.17, Hero

March 30, 2019 | 5:21 p.m.

Comment | fuzzbox commented on AKT8ds stupid move?

Thank you guys. In the actual hand I called the original PFR because my hand plays well in high SPR situations when in position and the original raiser was quite aggro, so I felt I could disguise my hand and maybe get a nice situation for myself. Also, the aggro reg in the BB could 3bet.

3betting is a good option in the first place.
Glad to see my move wasn't super stupid.

In the actual hand, of course, villain shoved, I called and his AAxx was the winner.

March 27, 2019 | 4:38 p.m.

I like Thallos comments.
Also, I find that bluffing at A-hi boards when OOP vs PFRs doesn't work very well for me. Villains tend to call too much.

If you are going to bet, I find it is better to bet small on the flop. Villain will continue with Axxx, flush draws, sets and 2pairs, but if he has none of those, then you can win the pot cheap. Better to win the cheap pot vs no resistance than to keep firing pot sized vs an in position caller.

March 27, 2019 | 4:35 p.m.

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