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Based on what I'm seeing in similar spots, I fold the flop here. When shorty leads pot, he most often has a strong made hand such as a set or top 2. In your best case he has a wrap or a pair+wrap. Either way, you are often in bad shape.

Additionally, you aren't closing the action, and you have a deeper stack behind you.

I fold to the flop pot bet.

May 18, 2019 | 4:24 p.m.

Stakes $0.05/$0.1

Hero (UTG+1) $15
Villain (BB) $20
Villain (UTG) $10

UTG limps, Hero opens $0.35 AhAs8h7s, 1 call, BB calls, UTG calls

Pot $1.41
Flop 6s 5h 3s

BB leads for pot, UTG calls, action on hero.

So, the question is - what is the best play here.
Clearly my equity is great, with nut flush draw, open ended straight draw, backdoor nut flush draw and overpair.
But BB looks like he has a hand he likes a lot - perhaps the nuts, and UTG also likely has something strong, although it seems unlikely to be the nuts.

Option 1 - Raise and GII here with good equity
Option 2 - call and call again on non-pairing turns, and try to hit - perhaps saving some $$ when I miss.

What do you like?

April 29, 2019 | 11:45 a.m.

Normally I just fold here. I'd want a bunch of reads before continuing here.
I don't find many villains taking us on with bare top pair.
Your bet sizing is fine. You could go half pot if you wanted, which would also be fine as the board is so dry.
That he raises with button yet to act is an even clearer indication of strength.

fwiw - I don't always 3bet this AA when out of position. It's ok, being single suited, but not super given it's disconnected. But you are oop, and both are likely to call, which leaves you kinda guessing postflop most of the time.

April 24, 2019 | 4:55 p.m.

I think a bet is fine, to help stubborn AAxx to fold.
His line looks an awful lot like AA56 or something like that. I think your bet is good, you would certainly call a pot bet with this hand on the turn, so it seems fine to bet hard and try to get additional fold equity instead of checking to try to hit and get paid.

Either line is good, but this board seems better for your range than his, so I like your bet/call line.

April 12, 2019 | 2 p.m.

Comment | fuzzbox commented on [PLO25] AQT8s 3bet pot

You could check/raise the river.

April 12, 2019 | 1:53 p.m.

Post | fuzzbox posted in PLO: KKQJss deep vs 3bet

Effective stacks 200 BBs.
Stakes 0.05/0.1
Notes on villain are along the lines of 3bet T986ss, 3bet AQJ5ss and so on. He is aggro and seems reasonably good.

I'm not 100% sure of the sizings and stack sizes, but its close enough.

Hero opens pot KsKhQcJc, villain 3bets from the BB, hero calls.

Flop (21 BBs)
Kc 5s 3c
Villain bets 16 BBs. I call.

I raise here very often, but in this case I have top set and 2nd nut flush draw, and the board has 2 low cards. I figured this would be a good spot to call and let villain keep bluffing.

Turn (53BBs)
Villain bets 45 BBs, I call

It seems clear to me that villain holds Ac. I call here because I may have the best hand, and I can fill up on the river.

River (143BBs)
Villain bets pot, putting me all in (100 BBs to call)

Your move?
I have 2nd nut flush, 2 club blockers, so am I good often enough to call?

April 10, 2019 | 6:50 p.m.

This one is confusing.
I'm not sure why you want to turn your hand into a bluff.
You have a strong hand that might be the best hand, or can draw to make the best hand. Your best line is to keep his bluffs in, so you get value when you are ahead.
Taking the line you take means you get all his money in the middle only when you are ahead.

If you are behind, you have lots of outs and if you are ahead you want him to keep bluffing.
I guess the only reason I can see for raising is to try to get Q9x to fold.

I think call is far superior to raising here.

April 9, 2019 | 6:42 p.m.

I'd bet the flop TBH. I'd frequently bluff this board after raising, so I need to bet it with a real hand. There are also a bazillion draws out there, so players can float and call with draws.

As played, check-raise is probably the play, because too often it goes check/check on the river if you call and check.

I'd prefer bet the flop, then chk/callthe turn if you want to get fancy, repping AA/KK or something and let him try to blow you off/value bet his flush.

April 8, 2019 | 6:34 p.m.

Once he bets that size on the flop, he isn't folding. Save your money.

April 8, 2019 | 6:29 p.m.

I'd fold preflop before I opened.
I'd fold preflop to the 3bet
I wouldn't lead the flop. If you really want to bluff, better to check/raise.
I wouldn't check/raise the turn when villain bets so large. Villains never fold when they do and usually have you crushed.

I guess your hand is pretty weak. You can try a steal, but once you get caught, time to dump it in the muck.

April 2, 2019 | 2:31 p.m.

Comment | fuzzbox commented on AJJ9 gets 3bet

Fun thread. Thanks for all the responses.

I decided to lead for pot with my OESD and pair. Villain shoved, I called.
He showed AsTs3d2d and my hand stood up.

I think I should have 4bet this hand vs this villain.

April 2, 2019 | 2:28 p.m.

Comment | fuzzbox commented on AJJ9 gets 3bet

I have an OESD on this board to go with my JJ.

March 31, 2019 | 3:16 p.m.

Hand History | fuzzbox posted in PLO: KJJ5ds
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players) MP: $19.53
CO: $0.00
BN: $12.19
SB: $11.51
BB: $18.13 (Hero)
UTG: $17.19
Preflop ($0.15) Hero is BB with J 6 K J
2 folds, BN raises to $0.35, SB folds, Hero calls $0.25
Flop ($0.75) K T A
Hero checks, BN bets $0.36, Hero raises to $1.44, BN calls $1.08
I decide to check raise JJ blockers with 2nfd
Turn ($3.63) K T A 6
Hero bets $2.58, BN calls $2.58
When he calls, I figure something like AA, KK, AK, perhaps with Q, perhaps with fd. I decide to bet again to setup river shove on blanks and spades
River ($8.79) K T A 6 A
Hero checks, BN bets $2.95, Hero folds
The worst river in the deck I guess. Pairs the A, I c/f
Final Pot BN wins $8.36
Rake is $0.43

March 31, 2019 | 11:11 a.m.

Once you bet, I think you need to call.

OTT - the most obvious draw hit, so I tend to check-back.

March 31, 2019 | 10:46 a.m.

Comment | fuzzbox commented on AJJ9 gets 3bet

This generated a lot of fun debate, with all 3 options recommended. Nice work everybody. I guess it is an interesting spot.

In the hand, I called.

Flop Qs Ts 4d.

I'm OOP - your move?

March 31, 2019 | 10:32 a.m.

Hand History | fuzzbox posted in PLO: AJJ9 gets 3bet
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players) BB: $12.48
UTG: $24.09
MP: $10.24 (Hero)
CO: $8.10
BN: $9.98
SB: $13.37
Preflop ($0.15) Hero is MP with J 9 A J
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.35, CO raises to $1.20, 3 folds, Hero
My notes say things like 3bet AKJ3sss, 3bet a shorty with K953ds. Your move?

March 30, 2019 | 5:25 p.m.

Hand History | fuzzbox posted in PLO: Easy river call ... or easy river fold?
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players) MP: $13.59 (Hero)
CO: $18.33
BN: $9.31
SB: $10.00
BB: $9.45
UTG: $15.58
Preflop ($0.15) Hero is MP with 9 7 8 A
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25
Flop ($1.05) A J 2
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks
Turn ($1.05) A J 2 7
SB bets $1.00, BB folds, Hero calls $1.00
River ($3.05) A J 2 7 A
SB bets $2.17, Hero

March 30, 2019 | 5:21 p.m.

Comment | fuzzbox commented on AKT8ds stupid move?

Thank you guys. In the actual hand I called the original PFR because my hand plays well in high SPR situations when in position and the original raiser was quite aggro, so I felt I could disguise my hand and maybe get a nice situation for myself. Also, the aggro reg in the BB could 3bet.

3betting is a good option in the first place.
Glad to see my move wasn't super stupid.

In the actual hand, of course, villain shoved, I called and his AAxx was the winner.

March 27, 2019 | 4:38 p.m.

I like Thallos comments.
Also, I find that bluffing at A-hi boards when OOP vs PFRs doesn't work very well for me. Villains tend to call too much.

If you are going to bet, I find it is better to bet small on the flop. Villain will continue with Axxx, flush draws, sets and 2pairs, but if he has none of those, then you can win the pot cheap. Better to win the cheap pot vs no resistance than to keep firing pot sized vs an in position caller.

March 27, 2019 | 4:35 p.m.

Agree that pot/pot/pot into 2 opponents shows strength. On the flop, he can easily have a set or 2pair or a wrap with a big flush draw. Once the straight hits, and villain has 2 opponents and keeps betting pot, then they tend to have set+big fd+gutter or nuts+redraw or just nuts. When he pots the river yet again, into 2 players, they just tend to have it. I guess it could be AA or QQ with nut flush draw, with villain betting the blockers. But my experience of calling for that reason when villain pots into 2 players, is that I get shown the nuts.

March 27, 2019 | 4:27 p.m.

Do you see what types of hands you are primarily losing with?
And, do you see how you end up losing? Is it calling/raising light postflop or folding vs flop aggression etc...?

3bet pots are tough and important, so I'm interested to learn.

March 27, 2019 | 4:23 p.m.

Post | fuzzbox posted in PLO: AKT8ds stupid move?


100 BBs stacks.

CO opens, I call AcKhTc8h button, aggro reg 3bets in the BB, CO folds, I repot.

My thinking was that reg can 3bet fairly wide so, I back raised.

Stupid move?

March 25, 2019 | 11:05 p.m.

Hand History | fuzzbox posted in PLO: 3bet AJ98ds and get back-4bet 3handed
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (3 Players) BN: $6.64
SB: $13.47
BB: $19.23 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.15) Hero is BB with A 8 9 J
BN raises to $0.35, SB calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.40, BN calls $1.05, SB raises to $5.60, Hero

March 23, 2019 | 5:16 p.m.

Pretty sure I'd 3bet. Yes you have to c/f a lot, but you are putting more money into the pot when you have a great opportunity and you will win bigger pots when you do win them.

It looks to me that UTG has ATxx and CO has something like QQ/JJ, especially since you have the nfd.

ATxx won't bet this board, so you are hoping that CO bets if you check. Or you could just pot it and hope somebody can't fold.

I'd probably pot it.

March 22, 2019 | 2:15 p.m.

Versus one opponent, I wonder if checking back is a good option on the flop.
Given you didn't shove when he check-raised, then you don't really like getting check-raised.

There are lots of wraps out there, that you are ahead of like 9876 with clubs, 5678 and so forth. But I guess most villains tend to c/c those and c/r sets and 2pair with oesd and such.

March 22, 2019 | 2:08 p.m.

Thanks guys,
In the actual hand, I bet the pot, and both villains folded.

I don't really know if I prefer to bet smaller to keep weaker flush draws in, or assume that hands like QT98 with clubs are just going to play for stacks in any case, so best to pot it.

Or, I could check-back, but the pot feels big enough to fight for, and I hate an awful lot of turn cards.

March 22, 2019 | 2:04 p.m.

Hand History | fuzzbox posted in PLO: AAss 3 way - flop decision
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players) UTG: $15.37
MP: $19.44
CO: $8.80
BN: $10.00 (Hero)
SB: $16.37
BB: $21.55
Preflop ($0.15) Hero is BN with 9 A A 7
UTG raises to $0.35, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.20, SB calls $1.15, BB folds, UTG calls $0.85
Flop ($3.70) 2 K T
SB checks, UTG checks

March 18, 2019 | 8:23 p.m.

What did you do? Fold? It's not super clear from the hand history.

To me, it is a pretty easy cold 4-bet.

March 16, 2019 | 11:31 p.m.

Seems like a clear pot-odds call on the turn. Your flush outs + straight outs are all to the nuts, and you can't fold for this price. You likely have implied odds for the rest if you hit too.

March 15, 2019 | 2:59 p.m.

I think you played it fine. Much as it sucks. The cold 4bet is basically always AA.

March 6, 2019 | 8:35 p.m.

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