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Yeah, if you scour their thread on 2+2 you will see a lot of horror stories about this. It seems they arbitrarily implement this "rule", fail to provide any actual proof, and leave the players with no recourse. Play at your own risk I guess.

Feb. 7, 2020 | 1:01 p.m.

Biggest blunder in this hand to be honest is made by the middle position guy calling a utg open with a hand that apparently is not good enough to overcall a sqz.

Dec. 7, 2019 | 11:59 a.m.

Pre is marginal when the sb calls. Equity with garbage hands like this in the bb go down a lot when we aren't heads up.That said, calling flop is likely the most marginal spot here. Everything from turn onward is unavoidable, but the flop overcall w middle pair/nothing going with it seems very negative to me. Just because we flop a pair doesn't mean we are obligated to call the flop. He's betting large into 2 players on a semi favorable board for sbs range specifically and the sb has called. We push very little equity in this situation overall. Our 2 pair outs are severely tainted as well when the most obviously straight draw becomes the nuts when we turn 2p.

Dec. 6, 2019 | 10:30 p.m.

A good rule of thumb is if you think your opponent could ever be vb worse, then you are in a region of your "bluffcatching" range you should never fold. When we cb range otf , the sb should lead a lot of Kx otr.

FWIW I would just triple this as well. The 7 is kind of whatever when ranges are what they are in this spot. Like if we are in CO and villain just called BB for example, then yeah the 7 works well for his range, but not so much here when hes flatted the SB then called a sqz oop.

Nov. 25, 2019 | 5:44 a.m.

Pretty sure we need to call and evaluate turn? The assumptions we are making here are massive to just outright fold. Also, a large cb size on this flop could be fine with a mix of checks. JJ specifically makes sense for the larger cb range since it wants immediate value and protection against 2 players.

Nov. 25, 2019 | 5:25 a.m.

Your 3b defense range should include suited connectors for middling board coverage.

As played, never folding. Virtually the best bluff catcher we can have.

Nov. 25, 2019 | 5:17 a.m.

I don't bluff anything, and I also check down all my flushes for balance.

Nov. 25, 2019 | 5:07 a.m.

To simplify matters, I would look to play pure check out of position. Boards to potentially lead would be the middling connected boards which even out equity distributions somewhat. Deeper is probably where you would want to consider it but as I said, don't over complicate things. Just check everything.

Nov. 25, 2019 | 4:47 a.m.

I think you aren't taking into account a fair amount of bluff combos you could have on the river where you bluffed the 46hh. We can show up with all the 8hxh combos as well as 4hxh, as well as 9hxh combos as well as even some naked 8x unpaired combos. If we are turning pairs into bluffs on top of this, his call seems fine to me. I think his hand unblocking hearts and the 8 is almost as important as his spade blocker too.

Nov. 22, 2019 | 6:16 a.m.

The 98ss 3bp hand ~30 min the way you described it, you are basically saying all our potential bluffs will bet turn/ you are going to have virtually no bet check bet bluffs? I don't think this can be a thing because as you said, the Q turn will be a high frequency check, leaving us with a good amount of hands we want to value bet on the river wct. Villain can basically cf all bluff catchers no?

Nov. 20, 2019 | 1:29 p.m.

Bet small on flop because of psr. We can bet 1/4th pot on flop and still shove turn for less than pot. Board isn't necessarily "bad" for our 4b range either. Either way, whether it's good or not should only impact our cb frequency and not necessarily our cb size in a spot like this when psr is what it is.

As played, never folding.

Nov. 8, 2019 | 8:29 p.m.

just stick it in and don't sweat it.

Nov. 8, 2019 | 8:19 p.m.

Given the action, I would just target a flush and look to cr. We lose value from straights that might call, but even then we have a 3 blocker. It seems highly likely you are about to cooler someone here when 3 guys want to see a river in this spot.

Oct. 29, 2019 | 7:26 a.m.

~27 min -- Doesn't it make sense to not bluff AQ on the KKJJJ board given it block chops (Qx and Ax that peels flop)? I don't know how often we check Kx on the river to induce (we probably need to at least a little) but if we are doing that at any frequency, I'd imagine villain should pull 2x pot bluffs from somewhere else in his range.

Oct. 1, 2019 | 1:35 p.m.

This software looks like it would be unacceptable for 1992. Nice video though.

July 3, 2019 | 2:58 a.m.

Interesting thing too with the AK play at the end...you consider hes got 8 clubs he can bluff jam river with. Then you can include the A(2), K(3), 5(3) which are likely going to give him the best hand. He's got a legitimate play on 16 rivers. Add in a touch of FE on the turn and even add him that he's ahead of turn semi bluffs ie club draws worse than AK, this play is kind of good. Could conceivably bluff 6x as well otr.

March 8, 2019 | 9:30 a.m.

You have to recognize that even though the guy is spewy, this is a spot where his range SHOULD be much tighter and much more linear. He's cold called a 3b. It's a lot different than when he's just defending his blinds or cold calling the co against an ep open. With that said, I'm just going to rip flop because he has a ton of overpairs here. Basically all overpairs to the board that we destroy and he's never folding them. I wouldn't make this spot more difficult than it needs to be.

Oct. 9, 2018 | 3:22 p.m.

Comment | klamsauce commented on Jam or check call?

Blocking Qx this hard I think we should check. A jam with something like KK or AA makes more sense given we can get called by a Q. I don't think we lose value from worse sets bc he should shove them all wct and we unblock hearts which is a good thing for checking against his bluffs. A shove functions best against specifically TT and JJ but that's basically all it's good against in my opinion.

Aug. 28, 2018 | 4:19 a.m.

Comment | klamsauce commented on 10NL AA Overpair

Losing value ott by not betting. Bulk of his range are pairs that are checking back. Even if we want a polar two brl range on this board, AA should still fall into the value portion of that when we hold a club.

July 16, 2018 | 4:50 a.m.

Looks good. Also if we want to call some Qx here I'd prefer if our second card not be a spade just to give him a few more missed fds.

May 26, 2018 | 12:26 p.m.

nothing better is folding/nothing worse calling for villain to lead AJ ott so his play makes no sense.

May 12, 2018 | 5:56 p.m.

Looks good. Also your range is nowhere near capped when you check the flop here. Or it shouldn't be anyway.

May 2, 2018 | 4:57 a.m.

None of these stats really tell us anything man. All they tell us is you ran pretty good over 10k hands.

April 17, 2018 | 5:34 a.m.

I would never make an assumption that a 1 tabler has 0 bluffs in this spot. We can't know this and we are high up in our range

April 17, 2018 | 5:28 a.m.

seems fine. I don't know if utg can be considered a nit with a 34 hand sample but regardless this is going to be a marginal spot for us if we choose to continue in some way.

April 15, 2018 | 9:43 p.m.

I'd be happier to 3b the flop without the Ks but I would likely call all of my KQ here.

April 10, 2018 | 9:04 a.m.

It would be nice to have a better understanding of villain because most regs don't flat these small pairs in the sb against utg. This would weight his range to almost all flushdraws which we don't block with our K.

April 5, 2018 | 11:21 p.m.

Comment | klamsauce commented on JJ Bluff?

The answer in theory would be so we are capable of having bluffs in this spot so he can't exploit us by check folding too much. If this becomes irrelevant then checking back could be fine if your estimates are correct. It's hard to know how correct they are though, which makes just having a solid game yourself more practical to apply in game.

April 5, 2018 | 12:32 p.m.

Comment | klamsauce commented on Pokermaster Study

First rule of pokermaster is, we don't talk about pokermaster.

April 5, 2018 | 12:20 p.m.

Agree with above. We should be 3bing larger than this as a standard and especially against this guy. Turn is a call/evaluate river as this board texture seems to get raised more often than you'd think by fish

April 5, 2018 | 12:17 p.m.

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