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nma

34 points

July 16, 2015 | 11:31 p.m.

why? you have K hi... what does your flop check/call range even look like? what does your 4b range look like?? also see no point in betting the river.. I'm guessing he had like AK or KQ or something? I guess maybe he has like AQ but I'm not sure if he would call the river..

March 2, 2015 | 12:17 a.m.

if you're deep, why not just have a flatting strat with KK/AA.. you don't have to 5bet lol and I doubt the EV of this strategy would be higher than 5 bet folding KK and 5 betting AA

Feb. 26, 2015 | 8:44 p.m.

that seems to be a fairly general response to what appears to be a pretty complicated calculation.. Would need quite a bit of information

Feb. 26, 2015 | 6:03 p.m.

that depends how much of a calling station he is and how thin he would bet for value ( as in, is he EVER checking a jack here?)

If he's a bad station, you should be value betting for sure.

Feb. 11, 2015 | 9:25 p.m.

why not just call the 4bet? Were you really planning to call off anyone's 6bet shove??

Feb. 11, 2015 | 9:20 p.m.

Hero is in CO with J6ddT5ss (11.5k)
HJ is a weaker reg who has a tendency to overfold and his hands become face up over multiple streets (40k)
BTN is a strong online player, but he's been losing a bit, peels a bit too much from the blinds and has a tendency to bet turns a decent frequency when OOP and flop checks thru (not applicable this hand though) (stuck about 15k, he topped off to about 40k to cover HJ)

I believe the first mistake I make is not topping off so I can be bit deeper this hand so I can 3b the weaker HJ reg more liberally. With 100bb I rather play a single raised pot in position with SPR 10+ and also allow the BB, who is kinda bad as well, to come along. But at the same time BTN will peel a decent amount so I don't always have position this hand.

Action
7-handed game, folds to HJ who opens 300, I call the CO with JT56ds, BTN 3b to 1.4, folds around to original raiser who folds too, I call. BTN can be a bit wider here since he is attacking the other deep player, but even then I don't think he is too wide, he doesn't 3b too wide from what I've seen, maybe top 8-15%.

Flop (3200$): 952r check check.

Turn (3200$): 952r turn Kd, I have J hi diamonds and nut gutter and third pair, SPR is 3. Do you prefer a lead or a check OTT? In the actual hand, I checked the turn, BTN bets 1.8, I check raise pot. Thoughts on line?

Jan. 30, 2015 | 12:23 a.m.

careful how you say 0% of the time. I think that is a mistake in it self.  Would you be TRULY shocked if he showed a flush on the river?  

Aug. 19, 2014 | 1:18 a.m.

Problem is turn went xx, so he doesn't really get to the river with that many two pairs or sets.

July 19, 2014 | 9:45 p.m.

curious as to why you have no 4b range when he 3b like 18%?  I think you're missing an enormous chunk of value.  Also, don't see a point in jamming river.. you're holding top set on a board that is only calling with a better hand most likely..  Unless he's 3 betting 5s, that's the only other hand that might call


July 19, 2014 | 2:38 a.m.

I don't think their skill level really matters.  In fact, most live players are quite stationy, making this play a bit worse.  This is from my experience anyways...

July 16, 2014 | 12:08 a.m.

thanks for typing all that out and putting it in a much better / understandable format

July 15, 2014 | 6:34 p.m.

people will call here if he starts bluffing too much, which he is because if he's stabbing and barrelling 4s he's doing it WAY too frequently.  We don't even know if the villain has already adjusted by just checking loads of hands because he has seen hero spew already..  

If you've seen these guys give up a lot after x/c then I guess you can make an argument for stabbing any two, but people are going to adjust, and you should too. ( mostly by vbetting super thin)


July 14, 2014 | 10:38 p.m.

sure, but you have 4s.. not really the best candidate to start attacking...

July 12, 2014 | 11:59 p.m.

When guy in middle xc I think he has a hand like T8 JT 89.. etc... also stronger hands like Txss. If he's solid he's not always checking to xf


July 12, 2014 | 6:23 p.m.

pointless stab.. I'd just check.. I'd most likely give up when called there's just no point with your hand.  It blocks nothing and you have terrible equity

July 11, 2014 | 10:37 p.m.

It really depends on how weak the players are.  Your comfort level of playing post flop is what determines how wide you can open.  I don't think your open size matters as much as your post flop play.  You can open wider with a 3x strategy, as your opponents will most likely defend a lot more hands.  However, you have to be prepared to play a lot of pots oop and be able to exploit weak players with capped ranges.

When stacks are deep and a fish limps, I usually iso with most suited hands.  I limp behind some weaker connectors, and sometimes open to 3x with lower pairs just to build pot for when I hit sets, it also gives you the initiative, as in it allows you to check/cbet and get to see 3 streets almost always.  You can really push your edge to the max by just being involved in as many pots with the fish as possible, but be careful to not get too confident and make sure you post-flop play is solid, other wise you might start spewing...  


July 11, 2014 | 9:02 a.m.

usually open between 4x and 5x in ep.. also, opening up ur range in soft games is def good


July 10, 2014 | 8:56 p.m.

I'm snap calling and adjusting based on the hands I see he comes up with


June 30, 2014 | 11:54 p.m.

how aggro is this whale?  how does he play JJ/QQ vs sb 3b?

June 24, 2014 | 6:49 a.m.

Comment | nma commented on 10-20 line check

Xc flop xc turns with spades. Opening or limping both fine as long as you balance your range 

June 11, 2014 | 2:33 a.m.

Comment | nma commented on 10-20 super deep 6-handed

Preflop is fine given how deep you are and the fish are in the blinds.  I like your call otf, I would bet bigger on the turn.  On the river it's really player dependant.  How bad is this fish?  You also have to consider the guy behind you, who probably often has a set or two pair.  Pretty tough to get value from him, but if fish shows up with lots of Ax here, it might be a good value bet.  Not for pot though...

June 10, 2014 | 7:41 p.m.

Comment | nma commented on Calling 4-Bets OOP

Dear Parker,

Shouldn't R always be over 60% since we always see 3 out of 5 cards on the flop?  

May 24, 2014 | 9:56 p.m.

Well, by calling in position.  Good players in the game usually have the max buy-in of 5k.  I punched the large open range in equilab: AdAs,AdAc,KdKs,KdKc,QdQs,QdQc,AKs,72s,7d2h,7d2s,7d2c,7h2d,7h2s,7h2c,7s2d,7c2d

vs this range, a hand like 88 is going to have 63% equity and be fairly easy to play postflop, especially with position.  Even a hand like 66 is going to be 54% favorite and we can hit a 7 and win vs that.  Same goes for good suited broadways and big Ax, all are going to be ahead of our range equity wise.  I think it will be such a tough time to play this range vs good players when SPR is 5-7. 

May 13, 2014 | 12:07 a.m.

I've actually sort of change how I look at this spot, I think the bounty acts like an "invisible ante".  Basically, with 16 combos of 72 in a 9 handed game, around 10% of the time someone will be dealt 72 and you are at risk of paying 75$ if you fold.  So every time you fold and not defend against 72 you are paying around $7.5 per fold.  But it's obviously not like a regular ante.  I think just increasing my standard raise size to $125 should be large enough make people over-defend vs the threat of 72, if they still call as loose.  I thought about maybe having a different raise size for each position, larger the more people I have to get thru... in an exploitative way this makes some sense but it also doesn't.  Because, say I raise utg, utg+1 isn't more or less incentivized to call my raise than bb since the ante is only in play when they hold 72.  Both the bb and utg+1 are paying the same (~$7.50) in 72 folding ante.  So having different raise sizes won't make too much sense. 

GT,

If you are advocating different raise sizes, how do you deal with 3b's on your regular opens since you have less value combos?  And also, are you afraid someone with deep stacks will try to exploit your very face up $500 open range?

May 12, 2014 | 8:18 p.m.

As long as you win the pot, you win the bounty.  I wouldn't really call it attacking, if you're actually value betting...


May 7, 2014 | 9:57 p.m.

75 from each player.

May 7, 2014 | 6:11 a.m.

Comment | nma commented on 5-10 live game

you're folding a suited connector vs a face up range 260bb deep?  Preflop play is absolutely fine IMO

I'd probably check back flop and go from there.. I'd also check back some Kx i may have called..  I don't think he's ever checking that flop to fold so you have little fold equiity.  If you're trying to make him fold under pairs that can be accomplished on later streets..  I suppose that betting is ok too but when he xr you, River jam is terrible don't think he's folding top two or a set there... He pretty much announced his hand to you and you still jam.. Why not hit and stack him instead of punting your stack away? 


May 5, 2014 | 11:26 p.m.

Tyvm for the reply Jnandez! I have the results as well but would like a couple more replies before I reveal it so to prevent hindsight bias.  I do think finding a fold on the flop is kinda unorthodox though, but within reason given all the outside information we have.

May 5, 2014 | 8:01 p.m.

10/25/50$ PLO

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BTN: $8500 (Hero, bought in for the minimum $2k and ran it up to current stack)

MP1: $5.2k (weak tight reg, min bought for $2k and is winning now.  Game is also too big for him)

SB: $30k (very action reg, was stuck like 10k but now winning 10k.  Tightens up a bit when winning)

UTG/straddle: $12k (very good player, well constructed ranges on each street and is a
bit of a headache to play against.  His play deteriorates a bit when
he's stuck and he plays wider, and peels  more hands preflop, and barrels more aggressively.  But that's not a factor as he's currently winning a bit, and seems to be playing clinically)

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Hero is btn with JJ78cc.  MP1 limps 50$, we raise to 200$ to isolate weak tight player, everyone calls.

Flop: QcJd6c
($825)

We have middle set w J hi flush draw, check check check to us and we bet
$625, SB calls, straddle now raises to $2100, mp1 folds...back to us
now.  What's our play?


Reads: 


SB: His peel here is going to always consist of draws, he has a tendency to lead at pots with
made hands, 2p he is definitely leading in a multiway pot, and with
sets he generally likes to xr.  So he can have anything from like naked
NFD here to gutter and NFD, and esp wrap type hands, AKT, KT9, that are
peeling a turn.  His range is pretty well defined here due to a good
handle on his tendencies.  Any draws better than that (NFD and OESD+, even wrap +small FD, he tends to blast back with xr)

UTG: The xr here is kind of confusing.  I think this candidate player is going to also lead
hands like QJ,  Q6, and I think he leads sets too once in a while too.
 On drier boards he likes to xc or xr sets (mostly xc), and let you
barrel turns.  I've never seen him xr in this spot with anything really
so not too sure what to make of it.  

But I do think the small sizing here is just repping very polar, he's offering very good odds for both
of us to peel with anything, it could be something ridiculous like top
set NFD, or he is trying to leverage a fold from me and get HU w SB.


Perhaps he is attacking on the fact that my hand cannot continue vs a flop
raise that often, and by raising here he is trying to get a fold from me
and get the pot heads up with the SB.  He is also aware of the fact
that SB's holdings here are purely marginal draws, and if I fold and SB
calls the 2.1k on the flop (which he surely will if I fold), he can
attack a lot of turn cards and win by the turn, and if called, he can
still barrel the river and win.

However I am also not barreling light on this texture, it is a set-heavy flop and also draw heavy flop and
pretty much hits everyone's preflop value range.  So I think the above scenario is
unlikely and this is going to be a bad spot for UTG to monkey around in a 4-way
super wet board.

Given all this detailed information, what do you think the best line on the flop is?  Reship and
force out SB (who may have NFD and be forced to fold, making our FD
live) Peel the flop and look for bricks to get it in? If we choose to
peel, SB is surely peeling, making the pot $7125 OTT and we essentially
have 0.9 spr OTT.  Folding is out of the question, we are so
close to the top of our range, but I'm also worried that we may be
facing QQ kinda often, and some NFDs are out there, and we are also
pretty deep with spr 10 OTF.

May 5, 2014 | 8:12 a.m.

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