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sjfraley1975

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I don't play zoom so i am periodically playing deep. I don't se how stack size would affect my session length though.

June 5, 2021 | 4:47 p.m.

Our equity isn't bad if called on this turn since our flop check means Villain still has all the worse pairs and draws that they had on the flop.

June 5, 2021 | 4:40 p.m.

I see the point there but handle it differently. If we would bet the decent draw because the equity makes our bluffs more profitable then the addition of the pair to it simply adds to that. We get an additional two outs and have some SDV in the mix for the times that we check back rivers vs. someone who is chasing NFDs. In addition, it is a simple way to merge some medium strength hands into our betting range. I don't really know if one option is notably better than the other in terms of EV though.

June 5, 2021 | 7:32 a.m.

As an example of how I do it:
On the days i play I set a soft goal of 1k hands. I play 4 normal tables so thst is about 4 to 4.5 hours of play. Once that 1k is hit, i stop no matter what. Every 250 hands I take at keast a 15 minute break and see how I geel and how I am running. If I am running bad and feel less than great then I quit early.

June 5, 2021 | 1:48 a.m.

Would you check back the flop with just a K high FD and no pair?

June 4, 2021 | 11:40 p.m.

With practically no decent draws on the flop, the fact that we have the Ac, and no confirmed reads that Vilain has done this before as a bluff then yes, turn is a b-f.

June 4, 2021 | 11:26 p.m.

Bet turn at least 2/3 pot.

1) We are in a 3 bet pot so TPGK holds up better.

2) A late position steal vs. a 3B from the blinds is almost always raising AK. AJo is more in a 4B/fold category as is A4s and A7s. JJ nay be flatted enough to consider a possibility on this flop. This means that we are really only worried about JJ and 44 most of the time.

3) the 7c just increses the number of worse hands that might call.

June 4, 2021 | 10:44 p.m.

LOL, we started a group months ago to share them amongst ourselves for free.

June 4, 2021 | 1:43 p.m.

I think it was played OK except for preflop. Big suited aces like this fare decent in multi-way pots and I don't think a Jack kicker when we hit our ace being great if the pot starts getting big post-flop. I would just call it to see a flop 3-way.

June 3, 2021 | 10:16 a.m.

Play lower stakes to check your fundamentals and boost confidence. Go down to 2Nl and play 10-20k hands and check your winrate. If you aren't doing at least 5bb/100, work on your game, be a active in the forums, and keep working until you get that winrate up. Then move up to 5NL. Rinse, lather, repeat

June 3, 2021 | 5:20 a.m.

Thank you. I finally came to generally the same conclusion. As a matter of routine I check go to primedope after every session and see where I am in regards to bankroll for either moving up or down. At the end of every month after my cashout I will just go with whatever stakes the calculations say I am rolled for.

BTW, I was away from the GTO+ solve sharing skype for a while and now it seems to have moved to a discord server. Do you know how I could get an invite link to that? It's good to see you re-appear on the forums here.

June 1, 2021 | 8:10 p.m.

Are you talking about in position or out of position? While the concept I brought up works in either, you obviously can't x-r in position. The term "check back" refers to checking as the last person to act on the current round and seeing the next card without making a bet.

If you are referring to protecting your checking range first to act as the preflop raiser then the above applies in general.

As far as check-raising, at the micro-stakes (and probably small stakes assuming you are seeking out soft tables) it depends a lot on your opponent. Against relatively unknown players there is not really a reason to be anything but straightforward as the best way to build a pot is to bet your good hands. Against players you have some information on, you want to x-r players that bet frequently IP when the OOP player doesn't c-bet that street. In these cases you want to be polarized and be betting your nutted hands and strong draws. Against players who don't tend bet when the OOP player checks instead of c-betting you are better off just betting and denying them the chance to realize more of their equity for free.

June 1, 2021 | 5:21 a.m.

I have decided to start to making one cashout a month from my bankroll equal to 50% of whatever the total of my winnings plus rakeback/rewards are. How should I adjust my bankroll calculations to account for this? Should I halve the winrate I am using to calculate my minimum bankroll since once a month half the money leaves my bankroll or should I use my actual winrate in PT4 and just drop down to whatever stakes the remaining balance is an adequate bankroll for?

May 31, 2021 | 7:03 a.m.

I like to start new tables so it's nice to have HU ranges available while waiting for a third player to sit, and especially nice that they have them to cover a full range of stack sizes. The 200bb ranges are also really nice when I am facing a raise or open from someone who has also doubled up.

May 31, 2021 | 7:02 a.m.

Post | sjfraley1975 posted in Chatter: Bankroll management question.

I have decided to start to making one cashout a month from my bankroll equal to 50% of whatever the total of my winnings plus rakeback/rewards are. How should I adjust my bankroll calculations to account for this? Should I halve the winrate I am using to calculate my minimum bankroll since once a month half the money leaves my bankroll or should I use my actual winrate in PT4 and just drop down to whatever stakes the remaining balance is an adequate bankroll for?

May 31, 2021 | 6:54 a.m.

If you follow the guideline of betting your strong (Tier 1) hands like TPGK+ for value but checking back medium strength (Tier 2) hands like TPMK, weak pairs on any flop that doesn't merit a range bet you will do a decent job making sure that opponents can't just assume that you checking back the flop means you don't have anything of value. Assuming that you are new and that means that you are starting at microstakes then you aren't going to be encountering players who are going to exploit how capped your range is enough to need to focus on this. Even then you should respond by calling more rivers as opposed to checking back strong hands on the flop to protect your x-back range.

May 31, 2021 | 2:53 a.m.

I would consider betting the turn here. The FD gives us some equity to pull ahead for the times that we are against TT+, the low pair gives us something that can extract some thin value from two diamonds or Ax overcards that figure a possible 10 outs gives them a reason to call, and there even might be some worse FDs that may call also. We would definitely fold 88, maybe 77 (but the GS may be enough for them to want to call), 66 is probably not folding.

May 31, 2021 | 2:42 a.m.

A suited ace would normally be 3-bet or called from the button vs. a CO raise, and it is a definite call from the BB. Just having the ace blocks 25% of the aces our opponent could have been dealt and puts it ahead of a lot of a CO opening range. Being suited gives it much better post-flop options.

In all seriousness investing in some reasonably comprehensive pre-flop charts would answer a ton of questions for you in regard to what ranges should be in certain spots preflop. If you don't want to pay the full cost for a PDF version from somewhere Preflop Guru is $18 or so per month and had GTO solved preflop ranges to study.

May 31, 2021 | 2:23 a.m.

I'm pretty confident that even multi-way and deep stacks we aren't winning enough from our sets here make up for the rake and the times we have to fold to a 4-bet

May 31, 2021 | 2:11 a.m.

Post | sjfraley1975 posted in NLHE: Why Zoom?

Can someone give me some insight as to why there seems to be so much focus on fast-fold poker in both the hands posted on this forum and in the pro videos? When I played pre Black Friday so it wasn't something I played until I returned to the game a year ago. Now that I have had time to compare it to normal tables I have come to this conclusion:

It fucking sucks.

1) The overall player pool seems to be, if not just outright more competent overall, at least less likely to play a hand and less likely to pay off when they do.

2) We give up all the ability to focus on the weak players due to the random seating per hand. At regular tables I can make sure I am playing a game with position on at least one significantly weak player for at least half the orbit. Even better is that I can get a shot to sit to the immediate left of a complete mouth breather just clean their clock over the course of a session.

3) Note taking and capitalizing on tendencies is way too drawn out. At a regular table if something significant happens I can make a note right then and there. Even better I can immediately start using the read because that player is still at the table. On a zoom table it's not uncommon for me to not even have a chance to open PT's note feature before the player is gone and a new hand is going. The ability to take action with strong information and reads makes a huge difference in uNL/SSNL.

The overall effect of all this is that, at least for me, the increase in volume doesn't make up for the decrease in winrate. I know some arguments can be made that the more hostile environment in zoom poker forces us to develop our GTO gameplay earlier but I don't see why I can't do that over time while moving up stakes while making significantly more money per hand through exploitative play.

That having been said, I realize there may be some crucial points that I am missing here and may benefit from some insight. So, for those who feel that fast poker is the better option, would you be so kind as to explain why?

May 30, 2021 | 2:51 p.m.

I suggest you study up on what Expected Value is. Not trying to be harsh but the fact that you immediately didn't know the answer to this yourself means that you don't understand what EV is in the first place.

May 25, 2021 | 5 a.m.

X-r flop and overbet turn. The amount of times you see someone call both streets w/ TPGK or QT will make up for the times you might get stacked by KJ on the river. There seems to be a trend in this forum of assuming that microstakes players (even regs) are far more competent than they actually are.

May 19, 2021 | 5:26 a.m.

I have to disagree with "great implied odds" -part. Flush is definitely not great for implied odds. I have faced it hundreds of times, when we hit flush, the opponent will stop betting and call only to the small bet with his top pair, two pair, or whatever he has in this situation.

If your pot size river bets aren't getting called by TP any kicker on a regular basis at 2NL you desperately need to start selecting better tables or play on a softer site.

More likely though at some point back in the past you gave up betting big when you hit your flush on the river so never got to see a sample big enough to show how the bigger bet is better.

May 11, 2021 | 8:07 p.m.

Are there any reads on Villain at this point, or at least some information about how he has been acting post-flop up to this point?

Without them I think the river overbet carries more weight than having a Jack in our hand, especially since with the exception of TT all the hands that would give Villain a nutted hands he would try to x-r the flop (T9s, T7s, 97s, 99, 77, 86s) with are sitting neatly in a BB flatting range. 22 and 44 could even be possibilities with how this hand played out. Basically this is looking like it is either complete bullshit or something big that is trying to make up for not being able to get the pot as big as their hand by the river. Without a read I would just adhere to the maxim that rivers are way under-bluffed at uNL at normal bet sizes, even less so when the bet is bigger than the pot.

May 5, 2021 | 7:02 p.m.

What are we doing to a bet then? Are we peeling one and if so what is our threshold as far as what bet size we are willing to do this with?

April 30, 2021 | 11:59 a.m.

Comment | sjfraley1975 commented on Easy Fold?

You can either build a big pot for value OOP or you can check-fold when the river visibly pulls ahead of whatever the nuts were on the flop.

You can't do both.

Dumb non-observant aggro-fish stab at the pot when the OESD/FD completes and the previously aggressive player checks to them almost as some hind-brain reflex which means their common "I learned it from watching TV" tactics become correct play when they are IP vs you.

Thinking observant players will make it even worse. Someone with TAG/solid reg stats building big pots and then suddenly stopping gets the attention of observant players. It isn't going to take too many times for the regs who pay attention to notice that when that happens you will fold to the decent size bet.

Also, as per my "You can't do both" bit above, I know damn well that there will always be some situations where it is merited and that "it depends", but "Villain unknown" is not one of them. Please don't interpret years of writing for dramatic effect as some strategy doctrine.

April 30, 2021 | 11:57 a.m.

Comment | sjfraley1975 commented on Easy Fold?

Why wouldn't worse hands bet for value? Buttons range on the flop includes all possible two pair combos, all sets, 96s, and all overpairs. On the turn 6h4h made a worse straight.

Bluffwise: Any two clubs that hit a pair on the flop and on the river decided they may be able to fold top pair, this can also apply to nines that found a reason to chase the draw on the turn.

I don't know how 5NL is on the site you play on, maybe Villain's are so straightforward and unlikely to over-value two pair or better that folding this on the river for less than 2/3 pot is a good idea. If that is the case that must suck. If that is the case feel free to come over to ACR where all sorts of worse hands and dumb bluffs will show up here.

April 30, 2021 | 11:33 a.m.

Yatahay Network - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BB: 121 BB
UTG: 50 BB
MP: 80 BB
CO: 92.5 BB
BTN: 42 BB
Hero (SB): 153.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Kc As
fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero raises to 26 BB, BB calls 17 BB

Maybe about 80 hands with Villain so far. About 35/25ish and seems to like 3Betting IP/Squeezing. No info yet as to 4B calling range.

Flop : (52 BB, 2 players) Qd 9h Js
Hero bets 16 BB, BB calls 16 BB

I've not seen any evidence that Villain is slowplaying AA/KK and the board blocks QQ. We are blocking hands like AQ/AJ/KQ which is good but that also means that there are more medium pairs and hands like QJs or some random Ten to call a bet with.

Turn : (84 BB, 2 players) Qh

If the turn card isn't going to complete my straight or give me a pair I kinda feel this is good for us since it makes it harder for Villain to have a Queen and would let us put pressure on a pair of Jacks or worse pairs. I don't have a heart though so there may be some pairs that picked up a flush draw. I could also be completely misreading Villain's possible range here. What are thoughts on a CB in this spot?

April 30, 2021 | 11:03 a.m.

Consider a situation where at the Nash equilibrium it is correct for X to bet 100% frequency pot size all in on a particular river as you only have 99% nuts 1% air. Your opponent has 1% medium and 99% air. Nash for Y is to fold 100% here as you can't have enough bluffs.

This situation doesn't describe what would happen at equilibrium. If "medium" beats "air" then there will be a some non-zero percentage of calls made with "medium" hands by Y at equilibrium.

Imagine Y calls his 1% medium hands. the nash strategy makes some EV (from when he calls medium). However X cannot exploit this call as he should still bet his 1% air (to fold out the 99% air which he would chop with) and so in this case the maximum exploitative strategy is the same as the Nash strategy (bet everything).

If Y deviates from the optimal amount of calls, the normal exploit pattern could start being applied where we either add or decrease the amount of our bluffs depending on whether or not Y is calling too much or too little.

April 25, 2021 | 11:58 a.m.

Comment | sjfraley1975 commented on x

In general tou aren't really going wrong much if you consistently x-back theses kinds of turns where Villain couldn't have much but draws on the floo and a draw hit on the turn. Once the third spade hits our reasons to playbfor stacks just went out the window. It also increaees thev likelihood a hand we beat puts some money in on the river if we check the turn.

April 25, 2021 | 5:24 a.m.

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