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Hoothoot

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Haha well I've succeeded in starting a debate, that's for sure. As for the other part, I'm yet to hear a compelling counter-argument to my reasoning, which has only reinforced my belief that I made the right decision. So far I've heard two criticisms that I can easily refute.

  1. Villain could have KQ.
    Response: Equal combos as KK, and a less plausible line.

  2. My fold is exploitable.
    Response: I agree that it is, but that alone doesn't necessitate calling. Villain doesn't know what I'm folding, so there's very little chance for him to exploit me in the future.

Aug. 30, 2018 | 3:39 a.m.

Yes it's an exploitable fold for sure. But it seems to be a timely deviation from balanced play given my reasoning above. It's an exceptional circumstance to be folding the near-top of my range.

Aug. 30, 2018 | 2:59 a.m.

There are 3 combos each of KQ and KK. Since he's always 3betting KK and only sometimes 3betting KQ, KK is clearly the more likely. Add in 1 combo of an oddly-played AA, and this becomes a clear fold.

Aug. 30, 2018 | 12:53 a.m.

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: $71.49 (Hero)
SB: $122.76
BB: $50.00
UTG: $50.00
MP: $51.42
CO: $98.90
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is BN with Q A
UTG folds, MP raises to $1.00, CO raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds, MP calls $2.50
Flop ($11.25) 2 A Q
MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $3.96, MP folds, CO calls $3.96
Turn ($19.17) 2 A Q Q
CO checks, Hero bets $10.02, CO calls $10.02
River ($39.21) 2 A Q Q K
CO bets $81.42 and is all in

Aug. 29, 2018 | 10:34 p.m.

Ah, true. I always forget the formula, I thought it was: bet/(bet+pot) but it's actually bet/(2xbet+pot). So 119/([2x119]+67) = 0.39. 39% equity needed to call.

Aug. 22, 2018 | 3:20 a.m.

Hand History | Hoothoot posted in NLHE: Over-pair facing massive river over-bet
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: $152.15 (Hero)
SB: $57.61
BB: $210.00
UTG: $14.93
MP: $50.00
CO: $246.35
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is BN with K K
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB folds, BB calls $0.75
Flop ($2.75) 7 Q 2
BB checks, Hero bets $1.75, BB raises to $7.50, Hero calls $5.75
Turn ($17.75) 7 Q 2 5
BB bets $24.50, Hero calls $24.50
River ($66.75) 7 Q 2 5 T
BB bets $176.75 and is all in

Aug. 21, 2018 | 2:34 a.m.

I noticed that on the 100NL table @ 31:10 you completed from SB with a weak hand vs a fishy player, reasoning that he'd likely let you see a high % of flops for free. Makes sense, and presumably people are better at defending their BB at that stake, but generally in Zoom isn't it better to steal instead of complete since players will fold their weak hands more often, knowing that they can just move onto the next hand instantly? A Zoom-specific adjustment, in other words.

Aug. 9, 2018 | 1:30 a.m.

Yeah I realized that he's going to have fewer traps here than I had first suspected because he won't want to risk me checking down Qx, 88-JJ vs his value hands. So I should def be bluffing here more often than not. The only counterpoint that remains is that the SPR is tiny so he might hero call river with any weak made hands he was bluffing with since he's getting a great price.

Thanks for your comment, it confirms my retrospective thinking on this.

July 30, 2018 | 11:16 p.m.

Thanks for weighing in James. I get that I can select a lot of stronger SCs to try this with pre, and maybe I should lean away from trying this when I don't close the action. However, the BTN appeared to be a fish based on his stack size, and I didn't anticipate a squeeze after he had just flatted my initial open.

July 24, 2018 | 9:48 p.m.

Thanks for your input Ben. It was a puzzler, that's for sure, especially since it was vs an unknown playing Zoom (which in my mind makes his squeeze and barrels stronger).

July 24, 2018 | 9:45 p.m.

Fwiw I had a double gutter to the nuts (2 or 6), plus the FD on the turn. I presume you say my implied odds suck because we're <100 eff, but otherwise I'd say my implied odds are good given his huge range advantage here. And yeah the fact he checked with so little left behind felt like a trap all day long. Which is why I was so baffled/furious when I checked it down and lost to his 9d8d lol.

July 24, 2018 | 9:42 p.m.

Hand History | Hoothoot posted in NLHE: Bluff this river in suicidal spot?
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: $38.40
SB: $51.04
BB: $44.73
UTG: $31.88
MP: $37.93
CO: $50.00 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is CO with 5 4
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BN calls $1.50, SB folds, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3.00, BN calls $3.00
Flop ($13.75) 3 A 7
BB bets $6.53, Hero calls $6.53, BN calls $6.53
Turn ($33.34) 3 A 7 Q
BB bets $15.84, Hero calls $15.84, BN folds
River ($65.02) 3 A 7 Q A
BB checks, Hero

July 24, 2018 | 2:53 a.m.

When you're constructing your 3bet range from BB vs CO open around the 14min mark, you appear to be choosing absolute napkins (ex. 72s, 73s, 63o, 34o, 45o) as your bluffs. But if you are 3betting those hands, are you ever folding? I don't get why you wouldn't fold those rock bottom hands, and get your ~8% of bluffs using some hands with better playability. Maybe you're thinking that choosing hands like 89s, 75s, T6s etc. make better calls and/or are more likely to be dominated by his 3bet flatting range IP, but still 72s etc. just seems ridiculous. Please help me understand.

April 4, 2017 | 1:01 a.m.

PokerStars Zoom Hand #162061621856: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2016/11/27 17:16:10 ET
Table 'Thyestes' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: jokeizitos ($26.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Qraven ($102.21 in chips)
Seat 3: wlcm2hell ($45.83 in chips)
Seat 4: paddyplo ($71.56 in chips)
Seat 5: Syler18 ($21.20 in chips)
Seat 6: natume26 ($25 in chips)
Qraven: posts small blind $0.10
wlcm2hell: posts big blind $0.25
* HOLE CARDS
Dealt to wlcm2hell [Js Ts 3h Ks]
paddyplo: folds
Syler18: folds
natume26: folds
jokeizitos: raises $0.37 to $0.62
Qraven: folds
wlcm2hell: calls $0.37
FLOP [9s 2s Qc]
wlcm2hell: checks
jokeizitos: bets $0.92
wlcm2hell: raises $3.12 to $4.04
jokeizitos: calls $3.12
TURN [9s 2s Qc] [4d]
wlcm2hell: bets $9.02
jokeizitos: calls $9.02
RIVER * [9s 2s Qc 4d] [2c]

Hero?

I'm ambivalent about what to do here. On the one hand, I would expect villain to raise flop or turn with a set or 2-pair on the flop or turn, and the fact that I'm c/r'ing then barreling means that I'm far more likely than him to have made a boat on the river. That's the argument for going for it here. But since I've got a wrap and a FD, he's less likely to also be drawing, and is more likely to have a made hand here. It's generally bad to bluff while blocking the weakest hands in villain's possible range (aka bricked draws). So I need some advice here. Thanks

Nov. 27, 2016 | 10:52 p.m.

Jan. 25, 2016 | 5:19 p.m.

Around 31 mins the hand with 44 on KK656, if I understood right you advocated following through with a bluff on a 6 or 5 river if we choose to lead turn. But in my experience players who check back Ax hands on these dry boards -- especially the stronger ones like the AJ villain had there -- are actually more reluctant to fold on double paired boards, presumably because double paired board reduces the combos of value hands we can have and counterfeits some of our pairs, like what happened in this case. You mention yourself that we have next to no fold equity there. I'm just not sold on the fact that bluffing that river will be profitable, even after a turn bet. The only exception would be if we bet fairly large on both streets to rep Ks full I guess.

July 31, 2015 | 9:18 p.m.

So this is a concept that I struggle with because on the one hand when the blinds are big and there are antes we want to be stealing as often as possible, but with short stacks behind us left to act it makes it tough to open with small PPs and weak Ax hands, especially from EP, because it sucks to call off 10-15bb jams with those hands because we're flipping at best. I'm not really sure what an opening range should look like in this sort of situation, especially from EP. Is it optimal to muck 22-44, A2-A7 (suited and offsuit) from EP, for example, when you're afraid of rejams? This question becomes even more difficult for me when I'm playing a 20-30bb stack myself.

July 31, 2015 | 6:20 p.m.

That's just being results orientated. I've got both players in equity jail on the flop because there aren't any draws at all. What are they going to call me with? I've got 3/4 Aces. Even vs a wrap on the turn I'm a sizable favourite.

July 31, 2015 | 6:11 p.m.

Hand History | Hoothoot posted in Chatter: Doesn't get much worse than this....
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players) BN: $9.60
SB: $12.57
BB: $12.45
UTG: $34.77
MP: $26.34 (Hero)
CO: $10.46
Preflop ($0.15) Hero is MP with A Q A T
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, SB raises to $1.15, BB calls $1.05, Hero raises to $4.60, SB calls $3.45, BB calls $3.45
Flop ($13.80) 9 A 4
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks
Turn ($13.80) 9 A 4 K
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $4.00, SB calls $4.00, BB folds
River ($21.80) 9 A 4 K K
SB bets $3.97 and is all in, Hero calls $3.97
SB shows KsTsKh9c
Final Pot SB wins and shows four of a kind, Kings.
MP lost and shows a full house, Aces full of Kings.
SB wins $28.48
Rake is $1.26

July 28, 2015 | 7:40 p.m.

Hand History | Hoothoot posted in Chatter: Ugh....
Blinds: $0.08/$0.16 (6 Players) BN: $34.65
SB: $20.02
BB: $57.75 (Hero)
UTG: $34.50
MP: $16.24
CO: $19.00
Preflop ($0.24) Hero is BB with T 9
4 folds, SB raises to $0.48, Hero calls $0.32
Flop ($0.96) 9 7 T
SB bets $0.61, Hero raises to $1.92, SB raises to $4.72, Hero raises to $57.27 and is all in, SB calls $14.82 and is all in
Turn ($77.77) 9 7 T 7
River ($77.77) 9 7 T 7 4
SB shows Td7c
Final Pot SB wins and shows a full house, Sevens full of Tens.
SB wins $38.54
Rake is $1.50

June 30, 2015 | 4:04 a.m.

I haven't been able to post hand histories for months now, and these are straight from Pokerstars. It says insert raw HH and that's what I'm doing, but then it tells me it's an "invalid hand". I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

June 13, 2015 | 8:27 p.m.

Congrats Sam! First bracelet right?

June 12, 2015 | 4:40 p.m.

3betting A9s vs a MP open isn't my standard here, I'd normally just muck actually. Better to 3bet A2s-A5s. In this particular spot I just felt like 3betting though cause honestly mucking A9s IP feels a little nitty sometimes. And I don't play with a HUD so I have no way of really making those decisions based on villain's opening stats. It's more of just a mental note not to 3bet too often.

June 12, 2015 | 4:38 p.m.

So fwiw, I actually called his massive donk overbet pretty quickly because I know that fish like to play TP hands like this (which I dominate obv) because they feel vulnerable and just want to end the hand and win the pot. Players like this tend to try and "slowplay" their stronger hands like overpairs by c/jamming if they want to get it all-in on the flop. His donkbet line here just isn't credible in terms of monsters. Granted he could conceivably play TT like this maybe, but not 100% of the time, and I seriously doubt he takes this line with JJ even. I guess the best way to sum up my thoughts on fish in situations like this is that this sort of huge donk bet is almost never for value in their mind, it's for protection and winning dead money (3 main reasons for betting: value, bluff, collect dead money). That means that I beat the majority of his range in this spot imo because he can't rationally expect to get called by worse very often when he does this with JJ and TT.

June 6, 2015 | 3:52 a.m.

Hand History | Hoothoot posted in NLHE: Check this one out O_o
Blinds: $0.08/$0.16 (6 Players) BN: $15.91
SB: $29.94
BB: $17.48
UTG: $17.27
MP: $35.21
CO: $19.69 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.24) Hero is CO with 9 A
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.48, Hero raises to $1.52, BN folds, SB calls $1.44, BB folds, MP calls $1.04
Flop ($4.72) 4 9 6
SB bets $28.42 and is all in, MP folds, Hero calls $18.17 and is all in
Turn ($51.31) 4 9 6 2
River ($51.31) 4 9 6 2 3
Villain shows 33
Final Pot SB wins and shows three of a kind, Threes.
CO lost and shows a pair of Nines.
SB wins $39.56
Rake is $1.50

June 4, 2015 | 7:03 p.m.

Espen the hand you're discussing around the 15min mark with KJs, I find that it's not too uncommon for villain to 3bet pre and then c/r or c/jam their value hands on flops like that simply because they've got FPS and they think they're being clever. So if he c/r's flop you're obviously folding right? It's not out of the realm of possibility either for villain to c/r AK on this flop. It's a spot I struggle with sometimes because vs a missed c-bet in spots like this it usually seems correct to semi-bluff vs a range that looks weighted toward strong non-pair hands like AK/AQ, but then when they jam it's a significant bet that we've just lost. This is against unknowns of course.

May 7, 2015 | 3:45 p.m.

I'd say villain has Ax at least 2/3 of the time here, and some of the remainder of the time he's got a FD. I'd just muck and not bet my tournament life on hoping he doesn't have it. He's telling you he's not afraid of the A on the board.

April 7, 2015 | 5:54 p.m.

Explain your reasoning man

Oct. 13, 2014 | 6:23 p.m.

"even if I had wanted to rep a FH and bluff him off flushes, I'm not overly confident that this player was good enough to fold a flush anyway, especially given the SPR."

Did you even read what I wrote, BigFiszh?

Oct. 13, 2014 | 6:21 p.m.

I don't remember perfectly what the bet sizing was. For the sake of argument, how large would villain have to bet river for you to confidently fold?

Oct. 12, 2014 | 5:26 p.m.

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