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Hi guys, I am trying to figure out the best way to use Monker and new computer. The thing is that using cloud servers is not an option.
Option 1: Get a computer with 256Gb RAM. As far as I have understood, this would be enough to make preflop and postflop sims.
Option 2: Get a computer with less RAM, but enough for all postflop sims (multiway too), and buy preflop solution. Is this doable? If yes, what amount of RAM is required to make 3 or even 4way postflop sims?

Initial question is, how much RAM is needed for postflop stuff. Would it be worth the €€€ to get 256GB instead of 128Gb? Does it make postflop sims quicker, or is it more depending on processor speed?

March 4, 2020 | 1:56 p.m.

Agree with Ben, as that stat doesn't really tell you that much. If you bet flop in srp, the pot is often 18-19bb if opponent calls. Then if there are bets on the turn, either someone wins that under 20bb pot or both players have a hand and pot goes to 20-40bb category. The thing is that often when you have a strong hand, there is some action on the turn and the hand goes to river, and if there is action on the river the pot is over 60bb.

Focusing on certain sized pots and making assumption based on the winrate is deceiving. The number doesn't tell you where it came from. If you think you are playing medium sized pots wrong, then filter those pots (start from the ones where you call turn and fold river, or bet turn and get raised etc.) and see what is going on in there.

My advice to all people is that never change anything in your strategy based only on tracker stat. Always dig deeper until you get to actual hands, and see what you need to change.

It's like when someone says that his 3bet in tracker is 15,4 people tell him to 3bet less. If he starts to 3bet less (because that's the advice) it doesn't do him any good. He doesn't know what to take away from his 3bet range, so he starts guessing. Or someone sees that his redline is diving. That doesn't tell why it's diving, and how to fix the problem.

Dec. 17, 2019 | 1:05 a.m.

Comment | Kyyberi commented on Holiday Threadtacular

Merry Christmas! Ben, can you pinpoint a moment in your learning curve (for poker), that you realized something spectacular about the strategy and consider that as a huge leap in becoming better poker player? Sort of an aha-moment?

Dec. 17, 2019 | 12:52 a.m.

Phil, you didnt like 9754ds call from BTN vs MP open. Neither do I, but solver likes it. So let's give Nut a break there. :)

Aug. 27, 2019 | 11:25 p.m.

At good old Full Tilt, played PLO25 for one evening. EV winnings +1$, real winnings -$1000. That was a nasty few hour session.

Last year I had a project of playing PLO2 among normal games. I had a feeling that I haven't won many flips, and when I checked the Tracker it was 60 buyins under EV in about 10K hands or so. My feeling was quite correct. :D

Feb. 18, 2019 | 12:57 a.m.

Splashed pots are not a fair way to give "rakeback", as it favors a lot aggressive players and those who understand how the dead money in the pot affects the strategy. I would assume that in the long run most of the splashed money goes to the pockets of good players.

Feb. 6, 2019 | 11:44 p.m.

PJ and Monker do different things, so it's weird to compare them. For beginners, PJ is better tool imo to learn the EV of certain actions, how to define range, range distribution, EV of peels, shoves etc.
When one learns those basics, it's better time to jump into solver world.

Feb. 2, 2019 | 2:03 a.m.

Hand History | Kyyberi posted in PLO: River line in 3bet pot, deep
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players) BN: $44.03
SB: $46.09 (Hero)
BB: $16.75
UTG: $27.24
MP: $56.57
CO: $9.31
Preflop ($0.35) Hero is SB with J 7 A T
3 folds, BN raises to $0.85, Hero raises to $2.80, BB folds, BN calls $1.95
Flop ($5.85) 4 K J
Hero bets $4.20, BN calls $4.20
Turn ($14.25) 4 K J 5
Hero bets $10.23, BN calls $10.23
River ($34.71) 4 K J 5 8

Jan. 11, 2019 | 11:38 a.m.

I think I have seen ads where they say "we can't discuss it here, but contact us for more details. This is really good" few times. My question is what is the reason for not explaining the method here? Cos there has to be a reason, otherwise you would have explained it.

Jan. 3, 2019 | 1:24 a.m.

For preflop RFI ranges you have two ways to go, unless you want to do the work yourself that others have already done.
1) use solver ranges
2) use PokerJuice ranges

First one is harder (as the ranges are not linear and precise), second one is quite easy. Hand charts don't work for PLO, you need to understand what makes a hand strong or weak, and what suits for different situations (like multiway or HU pots, deep or shallow stacks). That way you can adjust the basic ranges when needed.

For PokerJuice ranges it's easy to practice them with Odds Oracle.

Oct. 15, 2018 | 8:50 p.m.

If you bet the river, you are repping really narrow range. Your value range should be high flushes mostly. And to have a hand that raises flop, check turns and has that flush on the river would be quite a specific hand. When you raise flop and check turn, do you have anything else than bluffs in your range? Maybe some sets, but that's it. So on the river you are repping a bluff/set on the flop, that picked a flush draw on the turn and made the backdoor flush. You should be called there quite often with Ax two pairs and sets if you bet the river.

But on the other hand opponent called your raise on the flop, which doesn't make sense with naked AAxx. Might be QJTx type of hands. And you beat all of those missed draws with your 2 pairs.

Oct. 15, 2018 | 4:29 a.m.

What is opponents range after flop call? That gives you a good starting point.

Oct. 15, 2018 | 4:21 a.m.

If he is 41/5, his c-raise range is weighted to sets, maybe Q7 or an overpair that he overplays (they do it quite often). If he was more of a reg and his sizing would be smaller, his c-raise range can be up to 100%.

Oct. 15, 2018 | 4:17 a.m.

3bet preflop and make your life a bit easier. His flop bet looks more of a semibluff/bluff, as why would he pot it if he had the 3?

In general, passive lines oop with semistrong hands against aggros isn't the greatest spot to be.

Oct. 15, 2018 | 4:16 a.m.

When you bet the flop and check a blank turn, it's hard to put you on a value hand on the river. Expect to be called by an overpair often, if the opponent can think.

What 7+ hands you have in your range that bets the flop and checks the turn?

Oct. 15, 2018 | 4:12 a.m.

I have created ~10 topics plan to get good fundamentals for micros. If your plan is to work for micros, I think your preflop topics are way too precise. You can have good RFI ranges from all positions, and it takes 30min to set them up for practising.

In your sheet you have both default strategy topics (overall RFI) and adjustment strategies (RFI against certain opp). My advice is to focus on the standard strategy that you use against unknowns as a default. Learn that first. In poker we should have our standard strategy that we use, and deviate from that only when we have a good reason to justify that the deviated strategy is more +EV than the standard strategy. Focus on the basement before you start to plan the chimney. :)

Oct. 15, 2018 | 4:07 a.m.

I took the poll before reading the post. Damn. So I missed the bot deterrent part. And now I can't change it. I should have selected 4 instead of 6. :(

Aug. 5, 2018 | 9:45 p.m.

So if one can't beat micros, he should go to midstakes? :)

Feb. 27, 2018 | 5:01 p.m.

I wouldn't raise flop. Problem is that BTN cbets against two players on drawy board, and SB calls. You won't get that many folds and when called you don't have that many good turns.

If you get a call on the flop, on what turns you are happy to barrel and estimate good FE? On how many turns you would like to check-fold?

Feb. 27, 2018 | 4:58 p.m.

Profits is all about mistakes. If everyone plays mistake-free poker (perfect GTO), then no one wins money in the long run. But as soon one starts to make mistakes, someone wins. In a way we can say that
PROFIT=Opponents mistakes - Our mistakes
If opponents make more mistakes (in terms of EV) than we, we make profit (without rake).

To make money, we need to force our opponents to make mistakes.

Take a hand, and imagine the seats are changed with your opponent. Would you play the hand in opponents shoes exactly the same way? If not, then one of you is making money in the long run. So as long as you can see opponents doing mistakes that you wouldn't do, you have an edge.

Feb. 18, 2018 | 10:22 p.m.

And you think collusion doesn't happen at higher limits? I would say that the reason why people don't win at small stakes is because they have leaks in their strategy and/or mental game.

Feb. 18, 2018 | 10:18 p.m.

3betting is pretty big and a bit complicated concept. It's impossible to give you short answers. First thing is that you don't HAVE to 3bet Aces preflop. In videos most players do, but they have the skills to make good decisions postflop. Without those skills, 3betting crappy Aces will create hard spots where the chance for mistake goes up.

Especially at micros, you should always assume that everyone who has put money into the pot (limped, raised or called) will not fold to your 3bet. And a lot of players cold call 3bets a lot at micros.

Concept of "premium hand" is also subjective.

With Aces, it helps a lot when you start to learn more about your equities vs. opponents ranges and therefore figure out when to stack off and when to give up. As a rule of thumb, against one player and SPR<4 you shouldn't be folding a lot, and in multiway pots when you totally miss the dynamic board you shouldn't be stacking off a lot.

Jan. 9, 2018 | 10:04 p.m.

mason88, I don't get it.

Jan. 8, 2018 | 8:09 p.m.

For you, you are mostly right. But the problem is that you are looking the world from your own little box. That's what caught my eye, you say universally that HH is mostly a waste of time.

To be able to get progress from solvers, one needs to have good enough poker thinking for solid base and foundation. If one can't yet handle even range thinking, limitin yourself only to solvers probably hurts your game more than it helps. Or if he can't do some basic math or combinations? As you see, we all are at different situation in our learning curve. What works for you, might not work for others. What works for me, might not work for others. That's why it's a bit dangerous to say universal truths about learning and progression.

I do work with solvers, thank you. I should have said "for most players, HH work can be the best way to improve if done correctly". My bad. Solvers are the future of PLO, and I think a lot of "known strategies" will be challenged with people working more and more with solvers.

And as with other estimations and assumptions, there isn't an absolute truth about this matter. I am just trying to widen your perspective to people who are not at your spot in their learning curve.

Although I do disagree that your sudden rise in stakes comes only from the work with solver. If you have done HH for few years without getting improvement, the problem definitely isn't in HH work. It's in the way you have done it. And maybe the lack of other formats of studying. It's like saying jogging doesn't improve condition, as I have jogged for 2 years and my condition sucks. See the problem in that kind of thinking?

Even without knowing you I believe that it's a case of "last treatment biasis". This happens often when people seek aid to their illness from different treatments. They try something once, and if it doesn't give instant results they change to the next one. And then finally one treatment gives results, and they think it's all because of that treatment. While in reality getting results often takes time and all those previous treatments accumulated response. Your years with HH work have probably improved your poker thinking and many areas in poker skills that have helped you with the solver work. If you had skipped those years and turned straight to solvers two years ago, you might now have learned what you did now.

As in any learning and improvement (whether it's poker or sports) we shouldn't stick to just one thing. I think the best way to improve is to use different methods of studying, and find the ones that fit your situation and learning habits the best. For some it's HH, for some it's game tree, for some it's poker math, for some it's solvers, for some it's something else.

I am not right or wrong, and you are not right or wrong. So there isn't a conclusion to be reached. Just keep the box as wide open as possible. :)

Jan. 5, 2018 | 1:49 p.m.

As with any other format of studying, you can do it in many ways. With those arguments you could also say that watching videos is no good or using solver is no good.

We can use individual hand histories in many ways. But the biggest advantage is that it’s concrete and practical situation. To adapt some overall concepts to practical use, we need those practical situations. With hand history you can also work with your math, range definition, understanding game tree and how your present decisions affect futire streets, practice how to adjust against different opponents/ranges etc. Just to name few.

When you say that PJ is no good as ranges are outdated and it relies on your estimations, that sounds really strange. The whole poker is based on your estimations. If you don’t like PJ built-in ranges then use your own.

Poker is a game of imperfect information. It’s all based on estimations and assumptions. So often it’s possible to have good reasoning for two different strategies. That’s whe people play differently. And in the end we can never be sure who had the best estimation. But it’s about logic and reasoning. Discussing and thinking between two different strategies can really help one to see outside his own box and widen the understanding of strategies. If you just think ”it’s close so I don’t have to put effort to this” is a bad way of thinking in the long-term. For that specific spot it’s often irrelevant in terms of EV for that spot, but if going through the situation improves your poker thinking your overall EV in the future improves.

The fact that most people are lazy, narrow minded and one dimensional when posting and replying to hand histories doesn’t mean they sre useless.

In my mind working with real hand histories is the best way to improve, if it’s done correctly.

Jan. 5, 2018 | 10:23 a.m.

"Why studying individual hand histories is often a waste of time"

Where is that? :)

Jan. 4, 2018 | 9:08 p.m.

Comment | Kyyberi commented on QQJT on KT9rK8 deep

Raise flop, check many full houses you have in your range?

What is his calling range on the flop to your raise? Hard to see a lot of hands without two pairs or a set in that.

Jan. 2, 2018 | 11:29 a.m.

This is a subject I have been working a lot lately, how to adjust the right way to micros? (< PLO10)

I have my own small PLO2 challenge so I am interested to see how much we have same conclusions.

Jan. 2, 2018 | 11:20 a.m.

If you think he is bluffing at least 1 out of four times you call. :)
It's just about your reads on the opponent. If he is a recreational, the bluff frequency drops a lot. If he is thinking player, he might do that with a split. Hard to see him having any sets when he checked flop.

In general against a player pool it's a bad spot to bluff as the bet is so small. Any information on the opponent is quite essential here.

Dec. 27, 2017 | 5:23 p.m.

Comment | Kyyberi commented on 2plo eff350bb

I had to check the hand history five times to make sure I saw right.

You need 35% or so to get it in. You have top2 and 2 flushdraws. So you have 45% equity versus JJ. Against 77 you are even with 50% equity!

Dec. 25, 2017 | 11:04 p.m.

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