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Comment | OnceItRun commented on 40 BB Six Max PLO

Awesome video, I like your methodology and will be very interested in more of these!
On your preflop charts, does QJ for example mean QJhi (as in QJ[T-2][T-2]), or includes hands like AQJ as well? Also, what does A952dsi mean?

March 29, 2018 | 11 p.m.

A more general question: can you expand more on your strategy when you blockbet rivers? I know it will be very different from situation to situation, but as a rule of a thumb, when we blockbet, is it a part of a mixed strategy? Do we mainly factor in our hand strength/blockers (e.g. mostly doing it with mid-strength hands)? Also, if we use mixed strategy with blockbets, do we need to have a large sizing for our second range, which would be more polar in order to maximize our EV for the whole range? If I have to pick a hand for these questions, because it's too broad of a question, I'd have the AQ at 22 min ;)

Feb. 6, 2017 | 10:23 p.m.

Min ~29: Why do you consider this a good spot to stick it in w/ AJ64ds? Imo, the short stack shove makes it a pretty easy fold: you rarely have more than 33% for main pot even against the widest of ranges (e.g. vs 9863ds&KKT5ss you have 33%, which would be a top scenario, and then you have all the scenarios where opponents have Ax or AAx) and then for side you will never be good enough favorite to overcome that disadvantage.

June 28, 2016 | 3:57 p.m.

I got strategic question(s) on ~min 13:30 both tables 2 and 3:
Table 2: Q64ss board hits bb somewhat better in terms of more two pair, but you got the better tp/overpair hands - how do you approach cbetting there? Do you prefer more polarized range and generally playing turns/river with marginal pair hands or you bet more merged with tp hands and check back the weaker draws/air hands? Classes of hands I'm interested in are: KQT8(nofd), A876(nofd), AJT3+nfd, T987+fd?
Table 3: 864ss board hits bb much better, again what's your overall cbet strategy there? I assume you'd prefer checking back most of your range? What about hands like AA63+nfd, KK84(nofd), AJ87(nofd), T987(nofd), QJT8+fd?

Also, +1 on facing 3b oop spots for video

Feb. 5, 2016 | 6:43 p.m.

Table 1, min 6:30: What do you think about betting the Q on the turn? I would consider this spot a good one to turn our hand into a bluff - we are very likely to fold out Jx, weak KK and random weak draws, our range is pretty protected, given that we will most likely check quite a few Qx on this board and just overall the Q benefits our range more, so we will want to bet at least some bluffs and KTx/no diamonds seems one of the best candidates.
Also, as a general plan - how would you proceed on low cards on the turn - 2c-7c or 2h/s-7h/s - wondering if would like to be aggressive with your hand/range or try to show it down?

Jan. 11, 2016 | 2:29 a.m.

Min 32:16, you lead out J44 on J42r. Do you consider this as a part of a balanced strategy? Do you need some incentive to do it (e.g. very low cbet % from PFR) or it can be a good default?
I notice a trend of players (at mid-stakes as well) to lead there with stronger parts of their range on such boards (K52, T54, etc), but I fail to see this being better than checking your entire range. I agree with these boards being slightly better for BB, but they are still very cbettable and are also generally bad to raise vs a lead (even in this video you have an example of QJ64+bdfd on K52r, which is one of the better bluffraises and it still feels bad to do it). End result from leading is you get one bet on the flop from toppairs (instead of a bet and a raise), you very occasionally get additional bets (raise) from bluffs, but mostly fold the air hands and leave your checking range weak.

Oct. 21, 2015 | 10:45 p.m.

You have enough turns that make you nuts or slow down opponents that have their range face up, so if stacks are deep enough you shouldn't worry about getting raised by a better hand. It does increase the variance tho, if you are not willing to play such spots checking back is fine, but imo the weaker option.

Oct. 19, 2014 | 4:42 p.m.

I don't think there are other ways to play your hand here, most of the time SB will fold and you will face a strong high-card range against which you are ahead.

And yeah, AA** is not ALWAYS the favorite 3way ;) You got it in against all the flushdraws in the deck having none yourself. This said I wouldn't guess 15%, it's pretty sick.

Oct. 19, 2014 | 12:22 p.m.

Checking back is standard, if it's deep against most opponents you should be okay bet/calling and playing turns in position, since you don't want to be betting just super nutty hands here (and this will probably be just 88 since you raised pre).

Oct. 19, 2014 | 12:14 p.m.

Comment | OnceItRun commented on 5/10 plo 3bet pot IP

Bet/calling is certainly fine and standard, you basically are happy to cbet against a wide range and once raised have enough odds to gii. 

On the other hand, checking back may be the better option depending on villain. Is he the type to stab any turn when flop gets checked through? Will he follow up on the river? Can he give you credit for a straight? Is he tricky on the turn? Is he pretty passive/face-up oop? These are all questions that can alter your decision in favor of checking back. The other benefit, as said above, is that checking back will balance your ranges on future streets, which is generally a good thing.

Oct. 19, 2014 | 12:09 p.m.

Comment | OnceItRun commented on KT95+fd 3way 3b pot

Haven't done the math and can't confirm yours, but this seems one of the best candidates to check back balance-wise, since your perceived range to check back will rarely include flush draws and non-wrap T9, so you may bluffcatch or valuebet effectively on future streets. This is especially valid had the pot been heads-up. Bet/calling will most likely be okay, but this doesn't necessarily mean it's the better choice.

Oct. 19, 2014 | noon

I'd bet/fold here...you are very likely behind in a multiway spot...you are basically never ahead and most of the time you are behind by some margin. Stacking off here is spewy.

As for betting, I still like the cbet. You aren't going to get raised that often because of few 2 pair combos. Also, given you have the 87 you are blocking some of the potential wraps already. Another thing is that your hand is somewhat disguised if you hit, since you will not have that many 87 combos when you open from mp (unless you play laggy) so you may get enough value/induce bluffs when you hit.

Sept. 19, 2014 | 12:41 a.m.

Hi, great series so far, I will repeat others by saying that this is probably the best type of video to get measurable improvement. Also, pretty unorthodox strategy with all the mixed sizings, I assume it will be pretty hard to figure out in the first place and then play against it.

I have a couple of questions:

1) Hand on 6:23: You end up stacking off confidently in this spot. Do you think opponent is bluffing that often here on the turn with these stack sizes? I think in his shoes his play is not bad, but still it is a fairly small part of his range and since the 5 doesn't change the board and doesn't give his range added equity, he shouldn't be bluffing very often. How much weight do you put on him evaluating your range as weak? Would you still stack off had you bet half pot on the flop and half pot on the turn?

2) Hand on 43:03: You pot air here on this board (QJ6r), but in other instances on similar board (QJ2r;KQ5r) you bet small with value hands (KQJ8;AA42). Doesn't having a strong range when betting small protect you enough for the time you have air that it becomes better to bet small (some of your) air on the flop or you prefer having 2 bet sizings and various parts of your ranges in it? Also, if you pot air on QJ6r, then what value hands are you potting there if you bet small your AA/QJ?

Sept. 13, 2014 | 3:28 p.m.

You played it ok. I'd prefer different sizings tho, in an MTT you don't want to build the pot in such way with marginals. Often betting flop in 800-ish range works fine and on the turn, since you are never moving him off of any hand, you don't have to bet too big, half pot is fine. 

You can also check turn for the same reasons and get the occasional value from floats.

Sept. 12, 2014 | 10:52 p.m.

You could bet smaller (33 or so) with most of your range here, it's hard to play against. However, this hand has too much backdoor potential and somewhat of a playability on the turn (meaning you can call a lead), despite the low spr, so I prefer a check back most of the time. 

So, check is by far 1), bet small/fold is ok and the other options are bad.

Sept. 12, 2014 | 10:47 p.m.

i'd complete with many fish on the table, if you are not comfortable playing in such pots and you tend to overvalue marginal hands than you can skip completing this hand, but odds are just too good

Sept. 12, 2014 | 10:39 p.m.

Raising wider for value with such type of hand could be ok at 100bb, but here it seems like a waste of the hands potential. There are plenty of random gutters/weaker fd's and weak pairs that could go into your plan of raising flop (if you are stubborn on having a wide raising range here). I agree that it's really tough to play against this, but tough to play and playing the most +EV are often different things.


Sept. 11, 2014 | 1:10 p.m.

Against most players peeling is better imo, your blockers will come in handy the times you are beat and against the weaker Kx part of his range you still have good playability. Also, adding too many value raising hands shouldn't be a priority this deep.

Sept. 7, 2014 | 9:31 p.m.

Don't think you can play it much different...there aren't enough bluffs in his range where you want to do anything but c/c on both flop and turn.

Sept. 7, 2014 | 9:26 p.m.

I think you can make the more aggressive plays on all streets (although how you played your hand is certainly fine) - you can 3bet this profitably against most, you can do a lot of things on the flop and I think c/r turn is an ok play, because we're deep, thus we have more FE and we also have some bluffs in our range. Most of the time it depends on the tendencies of our opponent. 

On the river tho, c/r is probably slightly better, since the he will have hard time bluffcatching there and he will bet some bluffs and his 97 - this obviously depends on the opponent tho. If he's too passive, then leading river is fine.


Sept. 7, 2014 | 9:24 p.m.

You can adjust more your postflop plan into betting/valuebetting thinner. If he doesn't bluff this hand, this makes it even better to valuebet there, since this means he will check back his weaker showdown and basically his river range will be heavily weighted towards value, which means you should be herocalling less.

Sept. 6, 2014 | 12:20 p.m.

I don't particularly like your bet sizing on the turn - he wouldn't believe you for a straight, especially with the dynamics...given that though, it makes it much better to valuebet this river and you can bet somewhat on the bigger side because you are underrepping a hand that is near the top of your range. The turn sizing makes it hard to play rivers with your range tho, you will have trouble with this as an overall plan.

Another key thing is that you have blockers to most gutters and a little bit of blocking against his fd's, so his range is pretty likely to be Kx/AAx and you definitely should consider betting against that range (on this particular river).


Sept. 6, 2014 | 10:13 a.m.

He has a lot more straight-containing combos here, given that a hand with a flush draw would've played it more aggressively...also KK** is probably the only hand I can think of that gets there and bluffs this way (since most JJ** will have connected with this river) and you block some of these combos with your K, so there way too little bluffing hands that he may have on the river. Also, as Ph33rox mentioned, you are not at the top of your range, so worrying about being exploited is out of the equation too. Seems like an easy fold (with a sigh).


Aug. 25, 2014 | 3:10 p.m.

You played it fine, just ran into a strong hand...an alternative line could be to just flat flop and raise turn if you suspect he likes to barrel turn with a wide range here.

Aug. 25, 2014 | 2:57 p.m.

Comment | OnceItRun commented on bad KK 4bet pot vs 2

You can't do much on this flop, other than wave the white flag and fold to any action, it hits player ranges too hard and they are not folding with this spr.

Aug. 25, 2014 | 2:56 p.m.

Comment | OnceItRun commented on herocall ?

My first reactions: Hand 1 is standard calldown, he has 44 and K***ss in his betting range

Hand 2: Given her range is going to be tight, i think you are behind quite often + your hand is face up. Although it's like the top of your range, I doubt she's bluffing too much there, you also block some of her bluffing hands with the A and the J.

Hand 3: I can see him having T9** or 96**; KK** is betting usually bigger on this board and 56 is pretty unlikely, although it is unlikely for you as well. I end up calling more often than not against such big bet, seems pretty polarized, although it is a good spot to vbet thin.

Aug. 6, 2014 | 7:45 p.m.

It's close, I may go either way. Thing is you are not getting paid off on your boats, so it basically boils down to: how often does he have non-flush hands (my guess is not very often, since he's not turning Ax into a bluff and 42% opening range doesn't contain too many straight draws) and is he betting blank rivers with them (hard to guess in a vacuum).

I'd not worry about overfolding given my read on his range, unless I see him turn A655 or 9875 into a bluff.

July 26, 2014 | 8:35 p.m.

You can use the rank option of PPT as well, if you have doubts on some hands that are closer to the 15 percentile, you will be better suited towards playability (e.g. J986ds vs AQJ3ss). It's hard to give an exact range at PLO as opposed to NLHE due to # of hands.

July 26, 2014 | 8:29 p.m.

I don't like any street basically. Preflop is worth mentioning...you hand is fine against a 3bet, especially if you raise smaller that 3x and especially if game is aggressive in the 3bet department.

Postflop, raising is ok, BUT your sizing is pretty bad. Given that you think that the 5d is a bad turn, it means that you didn't have a plan and your reasoning is basically in the lines of I want to build a pot for when I hit with my draw...the thing is that a lot of the time you will not get paid with your draw anyways, and the times that you do (meaning you are vs Khi flush draw or sth), you could've gotten much more money in on the flop so that your turn/river bets net you more profit. Another thing is that your hand can stand any form of further aggression, so you don't fear getting blown of the pot if you raise bigger. On this turn you should continue betting, it's basically one of the only "blanks" since he will not have enough 65** combos that lead this flop and call a raise. Another benefit is that most of the time his hand will be face up on the river and you will have an easy decision whether to bet or to check back.

July 20, 2014 | 5:08 p.m.

Pre seems ugly, your position is bad and you just get into a lot of tough spots with these types of hand. 

I think any reads on UTG's preflop play is key here. Also, is he raising flop or turn with pair+nfd.

I think flop is fine, maybe bet bigger, but turn is a spot where you should check raise against most, it plays so ugly on the river, especially if villain doesn't raise turned draws.

River is tough spot, I'd probably call there against the guys that peel flops wider, but I'd repeat that his preflop ranges here are very key to any of your decisions postflop.


June 16, 2014 | 7:21 p.m.

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