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Really excellent explanation on the difference in 3b ranges in a tournament, especially as icm pressure becomes more of a factor. This is something that I think is a major weakness in a lot of cash players games when play PLO MTT's. Was getting a bit worried you were working up towards the AK52ss being justifiable 3b until you clarified that hand is taking the concept a bit too far :).

Oct. 23, 2020 | 9:33 p.m.

Sampo trying to bluff you on the bubble? He should know that is never a smart chimp ev play.

Oct. 20, 2020 | 9:13 a.m.

Richard Gryko Per ur feedback request, I prefer a bit more focus, but I also think the best content from anything in this format is going to come from you going through spots as you would as if you yourself were studying and stopping to drill down into interesting and/or surprising spots in more depth. Phil does this really well with his visions videos, when something catches your attention chances are it will also be interesting to us as well

Oct. 12, 2020 | 11:50 a.m.

Alien Slayer at 11m what's the reasoning for the sizing multiway? Do you have a multi sizing strategy here and would you be bluffing this hand type without the overpair? These are the type of spots that most often translate to everyone's games more than HU pots and additionally are a lot harder to correctly develop and balance a sizing strategy for. Enjoy the liveplay video but would like to hear you either pause for or break down at the end the most interesting/complex spots like this one.

Oct. 8, 2020 | 10:40 a.m.

This logic is a bit flawed or we would always be raising the top of our range which often isn't the case. This hand specifically actually mixes, with a non A heart vrs a small bet should be about 60/40 with our raise size being about 1/2 pot

Sept. 22, 2020 | 8:21 a.m.

I think all of the current PLO essential coaches are releasing relevant and constructive videos. Alien slayer and Emty have done some great content in the last couple months

Sept. 21, 2020 | 10:37 p.m.

Comment | Thallo commented on Vision

PLO is just about creating and remembering heuristics that you can follow. Simplify it to an extent that works for you, even if that means only having one sizing in certain parts of the game tree where the solver has multiple. It's better to have one balanced simple strategy then attempting to implement a complicated one you can't keep consistent

Sept. 21, 2020 | 10:35 p.m.

Bumping this. Had a number of guys utilize the free leak finder session with a first time visions subscription and it's been great. Check out the full coaching info here:

Sept. 21, 2020 | 10:33 p.m.

Great to see badugi being featured and my man Adam crushing. Would love a part 2

Sept. 17, 2020 | 12:16 p.m.

Listening to you internally justify "wrong" answers makes me feel less crazy for doing similar. Thank you.

Sept. 1, 2020 | 10:21 a.m.

Personally I find the most interesting part of this is the low frequency overall in which oop turn cbets after flop x/r. Take board 2a for example. On a non texture changing card that is excellent for our range OOP still only continuing <50% of the time? I have a feeling population is slamming this turn mostly stemming from their flop x/r's being skewed to value already but for a few other smaller miscalculations as well.

Aug. 31, 2020 | 11:04 p.m.

Thanks for the thorough reply. Glad the feedback is somewhat useful. Really enjoying your videos so far and looking forward to more

Aug. 18, 2020 | 11:55 p.m.

Emty Welcome to RIO, been enjoying your videos so far and like what you are doing with the graphics.

I think we need to be a bit careful on videos like this. The concept of how to adjust to specific players is useful, but when we attempt to study gto adjustments to players deviating dramatically from theory there are often more profitable things to consider. In the exact scenario here for example, understanding the post flop tendencies of the player flatting button at 30%are going to have a bigger impact on our win rate than gto adjustments. Is the player continuing to over flat post flop and raising dramatically fewer combos than optimal? Are their raises weighted to value? Are they checking behind too frequently? This isn't a one size fits all spot and I worry that presenting the information where a player deviates dramatically from gto on one street but then plays gto the remaining way doesn't really give us the best lines.

Additionally I think our original c-bet %'s are being skewed by the sizing choice. For example you have 16% cbet on QJTr but that's influenced by using a 50% cbet sizing which is far from optimal. I'm assuming it's just easier to compare all on the same size c-bet but I'd at least make a significant point about this in the video.

Aug. 16, 2020 | 7:31 p.m.

In the future for any similar formats would like to see you dive a bit deeper into some of the interesting spots rather than just click through. For some of the surprise checks see if we are check raising or just check calling as with the AKh92 etc or go into a bit more detail on the hands that mix as to how we can simplify, things like that.

Also agree with above, deeper would be great

Aug. 16, 2020 | 4:07 p.m.

Corey has many similar videos like this with the graphs, probably the best visuals for Monker I've ever seen, they are fantastic

Aug. 11, 2020 | 9:57 p.m.

Comment | Thallo commented on Vision GTO Trainer FAQ

Thanks for the response. Any way to see a loose timeline for what's in the pipeline?
Personally I'd love a smaller sizing on higher pair boards in SRP's for RFI's c-bets vrs BB's defends. I realize this one is a bit of a population exploit/meta adjustment but the EV loss is virtually insignificant from GTO and we benefit tremendously from betting 30-33% on qq4, kk4 etc vrs 50% as it allows us to c-bet significantly more. Since no one is defending this betting strategy correctly, specifically not x//raising enough to punish it, and it's a very common spot would be great to see solvers answer to population/meta strategy in all these type of spots to study what we actually should be doing.

Aug. 11, 2020 | 2:53 a.m.

Do you think population is adjusting this range correctly even to small cbet sizing differences like 1/2>3/4?

Aug. 10, 2020 | 6:22 a.m.

Great video. On the KQ5r was interesting that you were showing small pair + gutter or small pair with oesd as a X/R. Visions has all of those without 2 bdfd's as pure folds vrs a 3/4 pot cbet. Is a minor c-bet sizing difference really affecting our x/r bluffing range that much? Or could this be stemming from another difference in the sim.

Regarding your fast play question: I think at mid stakes population tendency is to fast play far more than a solver, and I think that it's also probably profitable to do so as you don't see the imbalance being punished by oop going especially aggressive on dry turns vrs calls.

On the TT2 and similar textures I believe the current meta is for a more frequent c-bet at a smaller sizing, and this stems from not being properly defended. Would be interesting to see how much the x/r range differs vrs this strategy when we include a 30% c-bet.

Aug. 9, 2020 | 10:43 p.m.

Comment | Thallo commented on Vision GTO Trainer FAQ

Hey Dan, doesn't seem like anything new has been added for awhile. Is there a schedule on anything? Would be great to get some additional bet sizing options in. Keep running into spots where the sizing options simply don't make sense (lower dynamic boards where oop has x/r'd and board pairs then only having a large turn bet for example). Would love to see more spots updated with a large and a small sizing

Aug. 9, 2020 | 10:33 p.m.

I'm just intrigued about what you are working on....

Aug. 6, 2020 | 8:22 p.m.

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Aug. 6, 2020 | 6:49 p.m.

How short? I might be able to help but the best person I know for this is @coreymikesell here on RIO

Aug. 6, 2020 | 6:44 p.m.

Post | Thallo posted in PLO: Live Game/MTT PLO Coaching

With the extra time during quarantine and the stable for RIO poker I spent some time coaching a couple players I knew who had requested it and a few guys from the stable. I enjoyed it more than expected and the feedback has been extremely positive so I'm going to open it up a bit more publicly. While I can and do offer general coaching there is so much great content out there for this I'd prefer to focus more on a few specific areas: PLO MTT's and Live or private app games where you get 3-4 players (or even more) to most flops. These are the area's I see the most questions on, the least quality information available, and the most room for improvement by players. I have coached a couple guys this summer for their private games to great success and I have found a lot of players simply don't understand fully how they should be adjusting their game exploitatively based on the type of game it is. I will work with you on designing a strategy and game plan suited to your game to maximize profit.

My rates are $150 for a single 1hr session for $500 for 4 session booked upfront.

I'm also currently offering a 1 session leak finder/HH review session similar to what I've been doing for certain stable members for $100. I've done this for people playing as low as PLO10 and think getting a second set of eyes on your HH's can be immensely useful. Many players don't even realize how many spots they think are standard are actually leaking EV consistently.

Recent MTT credentials:Cashed 5/10 WSOP PLO events played in the last 18 months including ft of the $25K plo, 32/456 in the $2,500 PLO on GG, 2 time winner and 3 cashes out of 9 entries in the $2,500 ACR PLO High Roller. (Also won a $10k bracelet not in PLO...I don't think this is relevant but can't hurt). I also have 2 legends of PLO who buy my action at 1.15-1.25 depending on fields if/when I'm looking to sell in certain high roller events like Poker Masters, so at least they must think I'm decent.

For cash I play mostly in private games but for what I could track on ACR I posted below. Won 180bb's/100 (Not a typo, but the game was almost always straddled and buy-in was 300bb's) over 4,500 hands in a private game before kicked from group. $75/hr winner at 5-10 live (only public game that consistently runs year round). Somewhat infamously won 21 straight sessions at 100-200 PLO during the 2019 WSOP cash games at Bellagio.

Understand many of you will only want internet crusher who posts 500k hand graphs and 10,000 mtt's etc and will rip this for being no evidence I'm a good player. That's ok, you can find the guy who's a fit for you. Mostly doing this because the feedback from students so far has been so incredibly positive and I've enjoyed it.

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Aug. 6, 2020 | 6:42 p.m.

Hey thanks glad to hear it! Runchuks pod was a lot of fun. I definitely thought we were deeper in the tournament given this was part 5 and the stack sizes

Aug. 4, 2020 | 1:13 p.m.

Phil Galfond I'm much less neutral than you are in the 6678 hand where we flop bottom set. You give all the reasons why check back is a superior play but then conclude betting isn't a mistake. Disagree, I think this is a clear check back and when we run this hand, especially deeper, we see that 66 makes up one of our best check backs for the reasons you mentioned. This hand is never going to get 2 large streets of value. Lot of factors too detailed to type about unblocking a J, side cards, hand disguise on river, opponents lead % vrs turn check etc that go into this as well, but most importantly I simply think we generate far more EV checking this back and going for one large bet on the river than having a small bet on turn then betting river.

I had to take a second and calm down after the AQQ2ss fast fold. Still a bit tilted tbh.

Aug. 4, 2020 | 11:44 a.m.

The tt87DS hand vrs Linus at 35bb. This is the type of spot that i've been going back and forth with deeper in tournaments. While it's a theoretical 3b at the stack depth it performs exceptional poorly vrs ep open having no good removal and often dominated. It feels like the theoretical reasons behind this 3b might be out weighed by the practical reasons of losing such valuable chips in a very minor EV situation with a reduced "edge".

And on a much more human level it just feels terrible getting all the money in at 46-48% on a random flip this deep into a tournament

Aug. 4, 2020 | 4:09 a.m.

I'm never shoving Q9 without a solid relevant club blocker on river last hand. Expect population to be defending much tighter than solver is as well. Donk/b/b is super polar

July 10, 2020 | 9:01 a.m.

Comment | Thallo commented on Offering NL Staking!

Hey guys, getting DM's on this still so just gonna post the discord with all the information here:

July 10, 2020 | 5:30 a.m.

Comment | Thallo commented on Offering PLO Staking

Hey guys, getting DM's on this still so just gonna post the discord with all the information here:

July 10, 2020 | 5:30 a.m.

Post | Thallo posted in PLO: Offering PLO Staking

Hey guys, I'm looking to back some players for PLO 10 up to PLO 50 depending on skill level. I am offering a variety of splits depending on your level of experience. As I feel strongly that Run it Once poker is the best option for players and I personally want to support them all play would be expected to be on there.

If this is something that interests you play PM me and have at least a 5k hand sample size within the last month, although of course the more the better! You don't have to necessarily be a winning player yet, but looking for people who are willing to put in time and effort into improving their game!

Once the stable is large enough we will be running internal competitions with bonus's for the top performing players each month. Nothing better than making some extra money just for making money!

June 3, 2020 | 5:25 p.m.

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