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Hi All,

I’m looking to join a study group for 10PLOz preferably but also 25PLOz if there is one. If others want to start one I’m happy to do so :) let me know

Oct. 17, 2020 | 1:21 p.m.

Really useful point thanks plolearnerguy

Oct. 8, 2020 | 9:16 a.m.

I get the GTO side and how errors are made by the opponent. Your last point seems the most likely case, a 'brute force' method if you will. Thanks for the reply

Oct. 8, 2020 | 9:15 a.m.

I’ve been reading into solvers recently and am interested in how a hand is considered ‘solved’. I understand that ranges need to be balanced but how is it determined how much of a range should be bet/checked and how is bet sizing considered?

Oct. 7, 2020 | 6:36 p.m.

Hi Emty,
Great vid!
I wrote down 'check' for what action I would take on the hand at 20:09 with a view to bet most of my range on turns if checked to. I do not have access to monker but I imagine it would check with the Q957 as we do not have good equity or good removal which from what I have seen solvers seem to like.

Following your previous vids in this series and the last hand in the series, it would be great if you could go a little more in depth on flops where neither player has a big range or polarity advantage and neither players range is particuarly strong on a flop. How much CBetting and Stabbing OOP should be done etc


Sept. 18, 2020 | 1:06 p.m.

Emty Thanks Emty, makes sense - I’ll stick to folding these from UTG :)

Sept. 11, 2020 | 5:52 p.m.

Great overview Emty!

Sept. 11, 2020 | 1:30 p.m.

Thanks for the vid Emty,

I was I bit baffled on the solver review of the two hands AK22 and A544 at around 24:30. To me these seemed like standard folds but the solver seems to think that a fair amount of these combinations are opens. It makes me wonder how wide the solver thinks an UTG range should be if A544ss is an open. Was this something that surprised you when you started using solvers? They’re not something I have access to and these are not hands I instinctively would open with from these positions

Sept. 9, 2020 | 7:34 a.m.

Thanks for the reply,

This is something I am trying to determine. I do not suspect much rake difference between 2PLO and say 10PLO for example but 25PLO might be different, I’m hoping someone at these stakes can share their experienced rake

Sept. 2, 2020 | 2:38 p.m.

Hi All,

I’ve recently got back into PLO following lockdown. I’ve really enjoyed getting back into it and RIO has been a great resource to learn things quickly.

I’ve been trying to grind it up from 2PLO through the stakes, I managed to do this a few years ago to 25PLO. This time however I am having more of an issue, I believe that my play is good and that I am beating the game. However, I think that the high rake is crushing my chance to get higher. Over 42k hands at 2PLOz I am being raked 20bb/100 on average. This to me seems excessively high and makes the game almost unbeatable from my point of view. I currently have a 3bb/100 all in ev winrate over this small sample.

Rather than being stuck playing 2PLO for tens of thousands of hands I’m considering moving up to 25PLO just to get out of the rake trap.

My questions are:

-do people think the <25PLO games are still beatable with high rake at a reasonable winrate? Is it possible to reasonably grind through these?
-in peoples experience, how bad is the 25PLOz rake? Is it similar to 20bb/100?

Thanks for your input I am open to discussion

Sept. 1, 2020 | 9:55 p.m.

Unfortunately, Omaha does breed these kind of results. It looks as though you’re somewhere in the range of 65-75 BI below EV. This is not unheard of and it fairly common once you play long enough. I have seen a graph of someone who ran 340 BI below ev playing PLO.

It’s an annoying part of the game. You’ve got to have a positive mindset about this - you’re most likely a winning player and over a long enough sample it will even put. One thing I would say is that 89k hands isn’t a massive sample. All-in ev doesn’t show everything and it could be the case that you’re running really well just not on all-in showdowns.

Play more hands, it’ll even out over the long run. These things happen in PLO sorry man

Aug. 31, 2020 | 9:13 a.m.

Nice vid btw!

One thing I don't understand is on the QQ hand halfway through, why do you check on the flop? The board is so draw heavy and could have hit him along with the fact there are too many scare cards later on. Surely betting would be the best option?

March 19, 2013 | 9:52 p.m.

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