Hero raise HJ to $12 w AA no clubs
CO player calls and I have observed that he seems to be relatively passive and on the tighter side of the spectrum. It doesn't seem that he is limping a ton and giving away money, but he also doesn't seem to be raising at all either the first 2 hours we played.
Pot = $24
Hero bets $15
CO calls $15
Pot = $50
After thinking more about this hand, I think the best play is to C/C against missed FD and also to allow a hand like AQ, KQcc, QTcc, to bet. I was thinking of whether or not we should go for a check raise, and I think it kinda depends on his river sizing. If he pots it, we prob just have to call because I think he can actually have JJ in his range for flatting preflop at this stake, plus some A2s, MAYBE A2o, K2s, so we could run into issues if we try to go too thin IMO. But say he bets 1-3 or half, then maybe we can C/R 2.5x or something like that to get a crying call.
In the actual hand, I believe I made a mistake and actually bet $75 on the river. I didn't really think it through very well and just wanted to max value from AQ or Qx or some QJ he may randomly show up with, but I think a big issue with this is his range is actually pretty uncapped here on this dry texture, and by taking this line we miss a ton of value from SD's and FD's that may have floated turn to bluff river.
The flop seems a bit interesting to me as well, and I think against a passive player we should probably just go ahead and bet it ourselves and try to get mult streets from a Jx type of hand, starting with a half pot or less size flop bet and continue on later streets until proven otherwise. Overall not happy with how I played the hand, but think I took away some things from it.
March 22, 2019 | 3:32 a.m.
UTG Limps w $150 Stack playing Loose passive
Hero raise AJss to $18 UTG+1
Loose Player Nick Named "Hollywood" calls to my immediate left $500 effective, and basically plays big draws and made hands very aggressively, but is capable of calling super duper wide at times and making poor bluffs.
BB calls w $300 and UTG Limper Call w $150
4 Way to Flop
Pot = $66
Checks all the way through
First Two player Check
Hero bets $40 Intending to follow through on non club rivers, non Tx rivers, maybe non 9x rivers.
Hollywood to left calls, other 2 fold
River is an offsuit 6
Pot = $146
Hero bets $110
I have a pretty tight image typically in my game, and even though we are 4 way, it seems like this is pretty much the nut combo to take this line with given I block no clubs or diamonds, block KJ(which def gets raised or bet on the turn or flop at some frequency from other players).
I think my line is reasonable, I will have value combos of straights, sets on turn, not really two pair as I wouldnt raise QTs or T9s this ep at 160bb with a limper, but my perceived range prob has those combos in it as they are two pair combos that make sense, and since I play raise or fold for the most part, i think it would be easy to include them in my range when a weaker player is thinking about all the value hands I can have here.
This is probably a spot to be careful with seeing as we are 4 way, but overall it seems quite reasonable.
March 22, 2019 | 3:17 a.m.
I talked to more people about this, and i think folding is the correct play. I think in a live situation against a player who is limping K3s, and who hasn't been involved much, it's possible their range is very close to KK+, and maybe an occasional AK and QQ, but at a very discounted rate. Part of the reason for this was expressed around reverse implied odds. The times we flop an A, we may win a small bet, but thats really it, but when we flop a K, we have potential to lose a pretty big pot. It feels super nitty, but I think it makes sense, and calling vs someone who actually has a cold 4b range would be better.
talkin6muffin btw, im planning to take a trip out to texas to play, and will prob be stopping in Louisiana. Where do you play?
March 21, 2019 | 1:10 p.m.
Tag lady opens SB to $15 and has a $180 stack
Bad aggro Asian calls BB and has like $500
Hero in MP 3-bet to $60 w AdKd $850
Bttn who hasn't really gotten involved much, and has been seen limping K3s in EP, and who I was playing with at 2-5 earlier in the night 4-Bets to $150 and started hand with $650ish
Folds to Hero who ???
So, we are getting a really good price as his 4-bet is 2.5x, needing 1:3.58= 28% equity to continue, and we do have some depth. I think in general I would be continuing with my range as a flat, including KK and AA, maybe just 5-bet small AA exploitative-ly since I think he is pretty strong here. The guy in question is a traveling construction manager and he seems to play poker along his travels. I don't think he is knowledgeable of the game in general, but he was playing 2-5 with me earlier and seemed to not be limping too wide or shelling off a bunch of loose money. I think he is capable of having some AK here, but I do not know how often. I guess this is just a flat, but I did decide to fold to A) avoid variance and 2) possible some live players just dont have any bluffs here and im just getting super crushed vs KK+ range. After hand he says " I did not have AA..." 10 seconds pass. " I did have a blocker to the A and the K" lol. The fact he used blocker in his language makes me think folding was prob too tight, but he did take time to put that sentence together so it seems likely it may have been fabricated and he in fact had KK+. Any thoughts?
March 20, 2019 | 5:42 p.m.
Button Straddles $10
Hero in LJ has TT and raises to $65
CO is an unknown player in his 50's and has a $380 stack, he 3bets to $175 after 15 seconds of deliberation
Folds to Hero
Basically, my experience playing 1-3 tells me that alot of live players are choosing not to 3b AK, and i imagine an older guy thats not full stacked is prob not 3betting it anywhere near 100% either. If we do call, and flop an overpair, there will be about a half pot bet left in play, which means I suppose we just call it off. I ran an equity calc vs a range of JJ+ and 8-11 combos of AK, and we barely have enough to continue. If he for example only 3bets the suited combos it gets worst. It seems possible he could show up on occasion with a hand outside the range we are giving him, but if thats the case then he would have all the AK combos which would make this a call pre and prob a call on flop.
Is it super nitty to just fold here, or am i somewhat justified in doing so? Because thats what I did. I can see merit in continuing however and would certainly if I thought he was 3betting all combos of AK
March 20, 2019 | 5:21 p.m.
Recreational Asian limps EP covering table
unknown recreational who plays quite a bit of poker raises to $15 from MP and has $500
Tagfish lady calls w $180 stack
Decent Reg Calls CO w $500
Hero on Button w Ad2d $850 and calls
SB SS recreational calls w $70
EP Loose passive calls
Pot = $83
checks to hero who checks
Checks to CO who bets $40
everyone else folds
SB and CO check
First of all
Is overcalling here weak? We are certain to go a minimum of 4 way, sometimes 6 ways, and we can get jammed on by the SB sometimes, although, I think it happens less than it should with this specific guy in the blind playing passive preflop for the most part.
We do have a bit of depth which I think helps compensate for the large preflop open, and we do have a hand that draws to the nuts, and have position. I don't think I would flat something like T9s here, because of it only drawing to a T high flush, and may start to flat around JTs, QTs, KTs, QJs, KJs, area, and 3b AQo, AK, KQs, AJs, and sometimes with QJs and JTs, and likely JJ+, and then flat calling some of the suited Ax combos, but do not feel super confident about it.
Postflop, specifically on the river
When it checks to us on the river, its pretty clear that the CO has something like 88-TT for the most part, as I think Qx bets the flop as do sets. I don't really think we can rep anything at all here however, and with the player behind in the SB, and having the A high, i think we have smidgen of showdown that is better off checking than betting and repping alot of missed draws. I'm fine not having a bluffing range here, as its prob exploitative, but if we were to start to develop one, I suppose we would choose something like KTs or JTs, that block TT, and target 99 to fold? and maybe some A high? Yeah, I think that makes sense. As for sizing, with $200 in the middle, i suppose around 33% pot would be okay as a sizing, only needing to work 1/4 of the time, and accurately repping something like TT that is trying to go for thin value. However, with the 3rd player involved, it could just be a spot to basically never bluff, as even TT is going to be quite thin, but i can see it being okay.
March 20, 2019 | 5 p.m.
this is an interesting point. People do make a ton of mistakes in live games, maybe i could be flatting even more than i do IP with hands like T8s, 97s, just to play in pots and search for profitable scenarios.
March 19, 2019 | 5:03 p.m.
I think the big factor here is how wide these guys ranges are, especially IP player. I would totally be okay checking here against people with more reasonable ranges. As far as when we do bet and face a raise, as long as its not tiny, id be pretty willing to fold this on the flop or turn and not worry too much about it because i think most of the time they will be playing pretty straightforward and when they do raise, they have alot of offsuit combos that make sense here. Perfect example is what actually happened vs the old guy, who had a combo draw and decided not to raise it on any street and then just bluff weak and small on the river when he bricks.
March 19, 2019 | 5:01 p.m.
Think in general 3betting is insane good actually because people just don’t 4b light at all in my 1-3 game and they play passively allowing me to realize a lot of equity and apply pressure. I have a pretty tight image most of the time too so I have high fold equity when I need it it seems
March 17, 2019 | 3:24 p.m.
Yeah I think in general he will play poorly postflop fit or fold mostly and prob never 4b without a strong hand like AK or JJ plus. May not even 4 b AK as I see a lot of players flare aK pre in a live setting
March 17, 2019 | 3:23 p.m.
W/ the KQ hand, I think its close, but without a solid reason, i think we still flick in a call because recs can cold call things like QJo, QTs, Q9s, and maybe check back some gutters and FD's at some freq, and when its checked too them a second time they take a stab. I hear you that its an issue when we face a river barrel, but we can just fold on the river because at that point he prob really doesnt have much of a bluffing range. also, i think on flop he prob would bet more of his AK and AQ hands right, and maybe even most AJ having a "good hand". He can have some miscellaneous Axs, but probably not a huge portion. it is interestingly close however, and a spot i havent really consider just folding turn vs this sizing. any bigger than i def agree with you
March 15, 2019 | 10:17 p.m.
I think folding preflop
I think I would prefer cr a hand like Ad5x because it allows us to turn better equity and blockers, plus an overcard to the board. I do like having the 5 in hand to block sets.
I think villain is going to have a lot of straights and flushes on the river, and I’m okay with the turn barrel.
When we get to the river, I think shoving is too thin, so then we can consider developing a mix river sizing. Against a weaker player or if I’m actually mixing here w some but combos, I can see bet folding like 1/3 of the pot.
After we check and get shoved on, it seems tough. I think some KJ and sets fast play flop, but two pair prob doesn’t shove river. So I guess I’d just fold and feel gross about it.
March 14, 2019 | 5:25 p.m.
Splashy short stack Asian man limps UTG w $70
unknown spazz aggressive opens to $10 UTG+1 w $240
2 calls behind him from MP/LP players who are weak wtih 100bb stacks
Hero has A5ss in the SB w 100bb. I look left and BB is an older recreational player who is looking like he is going to call. The Asian man looks like he will call as well.
So, my question is this. In the case where it is unlikely we will get squeezed off our equity preflop, how wide can we call here being stone cold OOP and also having a low SPR? If I didn't have info that the SS guy was going to call, I would snap fold here because it's just too bad when we call and don't get to see a flop. But even here, if we call, it is likely to go 5-6 way, putting $53 in the pot on the flop, in a 6 way pot, meaning the SPR is going to be a bit less than 5 to 1 with the PFR, and 6 to 1 with the 100bb players. Our A is basically never good, because if we face any reasonable bet we prob just have to fold it, and our 5 is obv not good either. So we are banking on hitting a FD in a situation with a low SPR, so our fold equity may be a bit compromised. With extra players involved as well, alot of times our NFD will not be as pure because of the liklihood of more strong ranges when big bets do begin to go in. I definitely would not want to call hands like 76s, 98s, T9s even here because of how low they are and the problem of domination and unclean outs. But maybe with Axs, we just draw to the nuts so well it is still a call, because we don't have to fast play every NFD and maybe can overcall getting good odds post flop. but it does seem quite dicey to me. and when I think about a hand like KTs, or QTs, they really don't seem that appealing TBH.
Am I completely off base and crazy for thinking that maybe folding Axs here is correct?
Writing this out has me thinking that actually defending something like pockets, Axs, and then like AJs, KQs, KJs, QJs, JTs, is about all we want to have here. And maybe KQs/AJs could be squeezed sometimes, although I think id rather use AQo/AQs to squeeze here and be pretty damn snug.
March 14, 2019 | 3:11 p.m.
when you say "hands I beat" I pretty much interpret this as single pair hands? I think they would begin to fold at around a pot sized bet, but anything from 2/3 to 3/4 they prob all just call alot. But in this situation we arent only targeting that part of their range, and i think on such a dynamic texture mult way, we cant just hammer in the bets because our equity isnt going to be that great, and it kinda looks super transparent what we have when we do this, and we wont have alot of hands to balance with using a pot size bet for example. I think too, its important to consider we can get bluffed a fair amount on later streets and our hands will be a bit handcuffed, so i like the idea of using a mid size to small bet because our hand does need some protection from things like Ax and single pairs, and we do want to start putting some money in the pot, but because the texture is going to change so drastically on later streets quite often, and with two players who will connect quite well with the flop, i think it makes sense to throw out a merge kinda bet and re evaluate on the turn, prob choosing to polarize with parts of our range(NFD, combo draws, strongs pairs and better, and begin C/C with certain parts of range as bluff catchers)
March 14, 2019 | 2:47 p.m.
twinskat Thanks for the response. I think you're right. I think the short answer to your question is confidence. I don't have a huge bankroll, but it's probably adequate for the 2/5 games at my card room. We have like 2-3 regs max and sometimes none. And a generally soft room overall. The main barrier I think has been just avoidance of the swings, because you know, a 3 buy in downswing at 2/5 feels alot bigger than at 1/3. But there really isnt a logical reason to not play in the 2/5 game, just an emotional one i guess. The money really shouldn't be that big a deal, especially when i look back and remember playing with over 1k across 4 tables online at 100/200nl. the only difference is its lumped into a greater total at once. Thanks for the feedback. I kinda forgot i was even trying to move up to 2/5 and was becoming content with 1/3. I'm going to make it a point to hop into a 2/5 game in the coming weeks on a friday. Thanks :)
March 14, 2019 | 2:38 p.m.
Peter Clarke I thought this might be the case. I've been playing on an anonymous site for the last 5 years so alot of times I'm not attempting to be balanced and play more pure strats. Do you split it 50/50 or some other random number?
Since I started playing live, I've decided a cool way to randomize a bit is to pick two suits, and that day when in a mix spot, to 3b the chosen suits, and flat the non chosen suits.
March 14, 2019 | 2:20 p.m.
Also, i think reviewing multiway pots would be valuable. I find them the trickiest to play, especially wet textures when we are like 4 way or more. I typically default to small bets and lots of checking, but would be interesting to hear some more theory on it
March 14, 2019 | 2:17 p.m.
Does anyone have any exercises they have found useful for understanding equity in multi-way pots, or just in general? Would like to spend some more time using PIO and studying in general, but feeling kinda lost on how to use it effectively. Or videos you recommend?
Guess I should mention. I play 1-3 live and played 100nl online for last few years w a reasonable Winerate(11/100). Still feel like there’s a lot of holes in my understanding however and kinda been on a plateau for a while and not sure how to get past it.
March 13, 2019 | 7:58 p.m.
at 23 minutes, why do you choose to flat AJo vs a HJ open and a 53bb cold call in the CO? I view the CO range as pretty weak and therefore I would want to take advantage of this and squeeze hands like AJo, KQo, ATs+, JTs+, KTs, QTs, TT, maybe 99, maybe even A9s, etc.
Given the likely weak range from the CO, i'd want to choose a linear range of big cards and apply pressure, either winning the pot pre, or isolating. Also, when we flat, we open ourselves up to being squeezed in an aggressive environment. But even in a more passive environment, i'd still be mostly squeezing here for the reasons I stated before hand
At 32 minutes you flat JTs in the SB vs a HJ open and a CO call. I would be choosing a linear range here and JTs would be part of it. Why do you choose to flat here instead of 3-bet? the BB is full stacked and im guessing a reg, so this would push me away from flatting. I could see it however if the BB was a recreational. I wouldnt think JTs is going to play well 3-4 way OOP against reasonably playing players, so would be wanting to 3-bet it more as part as a linear strategy. thoughts?
BTW, I do appreciate the live play videos. Think they serve an important role and mental exercise in watching a strategy play out in real time :)
March 13, 2019 | 2:20 p.m.
So had this scenario pop up in my local 1-2 game and wasn't 100% if I should be raising preflop, where to draw the line in general.
*Unknown older guy limps in MP and I have seen him open limp AA in the HJ before. Not much more info on him, other than prob loose passive 80bb
*another older guy limps HJ and he is limping like K5o, 63o, super wide. 30bb
*Another old guy limps CO, and prob has things like Axo, 75o, Qxs, Jxs in range. 75bb
Hero on Button w ATo
Basically, I have 3 generic questions.
1) When these guys are playing such weak hands, and prob more on the passive side, how low can we go from the button? I imagine we will get a fair amount of preflop folds if we open to 8-10x preflop and also open up a fair amount of profitable postflop HU situations. I still feel like ATo is marginal, and I think QJo, and KJo are in a similar category. Maybe bottom of range in general is around AJo, KQo, and then JTs+?
2) Default without a good feel on tendencies and range width, what would the bottom of range be from button w 3 limpers ahead, purely on paper look like? AJo, KQo, and then JTs+?
3) how wide can we limp behind 3 players? As more players enter the pot, we need to be more selective with hands that we take to the flop because alot of the time we wont be able to bluff at the pot, so we actually need to make a hand. So w 3 ahead, I guess we could limp behind things like QJo, KJo, maybe JTo, and then fold QTo and KTo. (not confident, but limping ATo still might be good as we can play position and value bet 1-3 streets against weak players)
March 13, 2019 | 1:37 a.m.
UTG Limps and is an older guy who is playing like 65% of hands, and can be quite aggressive at times.
CO limps and is playing close to 90% of hands at times, think it depends where he is at in his mood. Seems like when a pot is smallish he wont bother trying to bluff at it(seen him straight up fold the river after his draw misses and i start to count chips and havent even made a bet.), but if the pot gets big he can definitely try to bluff at it. He definitely likes to gamble and is pretty open about it. Sometimes he will actually wake up and try, and have seen him make some reasonable folds. overall he can be quite splashy and isnt afraid to put in alot of BB.
Hero has QsQd on BB and raises to $23
Flop Ts9s8x Pot = $63
We have like $600 behind, UTG has around $500, CO has like $400
So, on such a wet texture, and against two guys with alot of offsuit combos in play, much more than average id say, what kind of sizing do we want to choose here? There is going to be ALOT of bad turn cards, any spade, 6, 7, T, around a 3rd of the deck. In general in mult way pots, i typically will be choosing a smaller sizing in general and then sizing up on some good turns. I think in general, in this situation, around a half pot bet seems reasonable. I dont want to go pot for example, because first of all it looks really strong and is too obvious a strong range, but we also dont have that great of equity on such a texture multway. 2/3 seems okay, but we still run into the issue of really bad turns and rivers, plus alot of hands have significant equity and can apply pressure on us. If we choose a bit smaller, around half, we can play against a wider range and not invest so much on a texture that we will have to fold on later streets a reasonable amount.
I think 30-35 $$ would be a good sizing. and then on blank turns sizing up to at least 75%.
I think I'm pretty on point here, but just posting this because I didn't like how i played the hand in session and wanted to take some time to write about and share it. In the hand I c-bet 1/3 and they both called. The turn was a dream 2c, I bet $80 into $120, UTg called, CO folded, river was a 9, and I checked and the UTG bluffed at it and I called and one a good sized pot.
I think on the turn I should bet at least $90, and then on the river, especially blocking the Qs, I think I should be betting rather than going for a C/C, as most of his call call range should be Tx, and would assume alot of spades would raise earlier or may not always bluff. On the river I thinnk betting whatever i think a T will call would be good repping a missed FD. If I had bet $90 on turn that would put $300 on river, and I coudl bet like 50-66% pot just trying to get a T to call. It was funny because I C/Ced the river and he showed up with KJss. My play worked out, but i still think I played it poorly. The guy even lamented afterwards how he shouldve raised me on the turn, and I think that he and most people would have raised at some point(mostly flop I imagine) with combo and NFD's. However, maybe against some older men like this they could actually under bluff NFD and combo draws and C/cing the river actually isnt so bad, as they may not be thinking about the sheer amount of equity they have when they put on a raise on a earlier street.
March 9, 2019 | 4:44 p.m.
angeles yeah you're right. I don't know why i thought jamming would be good lol. Pretty much every sizing other than that would be better. Initially I went with a 1/4 sizing in the hand. After finishing up a full week of playing live however, i think that we could even just choose a 1/3-half pot sizing and have it be pretty effective as people make some atrocious calls when they shouldnt be. I like a 1/3-40% here because i think almost any piece of equity will just decide to continue. when we inch closer to half pot or greater, it def starts to look a bit stronger
March 9, 2019 | 4:17 p.m.
Do you think that A9s plays better than A5s as a 3b vs someone who has a medium chance of calling our reraise preflop? I think A9s plays better as a flat than A5s because we can value bet 9x and Ax a little better and also get overcarded less as well. While A5s allows us to flop a bit more equity and play more aggressively, so i would think this would make it a better 3b candidate. However, i guess in a situation when people call too much and we will exploitively will tend to thin value and maybe bluff less than optimal, there is good reason to be less polarized and have more hands that show down well, huh. I traditionally have viewed A5s as the superior 3b hand if compared against something like A9s. And maybe this is true in most cases and defintely against a player we want to be more balanced against, but against alot of live players maybe straight up having the 9 in hand is more relevant.
March 9, 2019 | 4:13 p.m.
Utg spit limps
Reg opens 5x utg 1
Spot calls co
Hero has A9cc on Bttn w two spots in the blinds. Hero has 100bb and is covered by all.
Basically, how wide can we flat on the button here at 100bb facing a 5x open and not being squeezed often.
I think we want to have a linear 3b here, and think I’d squeeze ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs+, AQ, AK, TT+, and some T9s, and then A5s-A2s.
If we flat A9s here, is this still linear even tho we’ve broken the line between AT and A5?
I’m also not sure if I should 3b or flat QTs and KTs, but I think 3b is still preferred w the spot flatting the co for isolation and dead money purposes. Wanting to play less multi-way rather than going to a 4+ way flop. If we get 4b it sucks but not end of the world, and still prob better to collect dead money+isolate ip and have profitable post flop situations than to flat and have to flop pretty big to take it post
As for calling range, I’d prob flat 22-88, and then some Ax’s that didn’t get 3b, and some QT and KT, but some of those will be 3b too as well. Not really flatting something like 98s and below at this depth heading to a very likely multi-way pot at 100bb. If I was deeper I’d prob be open to flatting a bit more speculative hands having position and more room to make money post when we d get there as implied odds are a bit better in a live scene.
So I suppose the answer to my own question would be to 3b linear with a touch of mixing towards the bottom end of my linear range. Anyone have additional thoughts to contribute?
March 7, 2019 | 2:50 p.m.
Thanks. I pretty much agree with this.
He did make it way too small, and it is possible for people to show up with an unexpected hand so we can’t totaly rule that out.
I called, flop came Q64r, he over bet $90 into $70, I fold and he shows JJ lol
March 7, 2019 | 2:18 p.m.
Utg old Asian man limps covering hero for 100bb
Young guy in town for spring training posted in HJ and raises to $7 w 75bb, he’s been chatty w me and is friendly. I did 3bet him a few hands ago button vs co and he folded.
I have A8hh on co and looks like button is gonna fold. Sb and Bb and both loose passive spots.
I assume the Pfr might call a lot, but play straightforward postflop. Calling is def positive, but thinking it may be better to just play a linear 3b range and really hammer in the reraises. I play at a room with no rake preflop, so think that is a significant factor when we get folds preflop as well.
Main question here is, is 3betting just so ultra profitable that we should reraise pretty aggressively with our linear range rather than flat and play in a 3-5 way flop?
We get to avoid rake w a reraise, and prob can cbet and barrel pretty effectively.
On the other hand, we can call and see a flop ip (as button looks like is going to fold)
I guess this hand can really go into a mixed category, but given the specific circumstances, flatting could be preferred as we have absolute position, and when button looks like he wants to continue, a reraise could be in order to isolate hu in position. Or we could just 3b to isolate hu.
Initially i thought I’d trend towards a reraise being my preferred play, but actually think I like flatting here w A8s, and then prob going ahead w a reraise from A2s-A5s, having less showdown and making less good pairs