Thx for the feedback. X whole range ott and include some nutted XC as well as higher eq(and nuts) XR seems like a good aproach. If he XB turns, probably means that I am not getting more than 2 streets of action anyway w my value parts.
Jan. 20, 2021 | 11:28 a.m.
PRE: Veeery marginal open (hand ranks at 33%), but BTN wasnt too loose and had very low 3b. Blinds were passive. Once I get 3b(esp considering his 3b range is very narrow and mostly AA), I'm never below 40% eq, depending on exact range im anywhere between 40-45% eq preflop, so I guess it has to be called. Maybe EV of expanding the rfi is not that big, and still this hand makes an open fold ,even under favourable table dynamics.
FLOP: I develop a significant donking range here, and small sizing will force him to overfold , and in practice he will react badly than vs bigger sizing (where his decisions will be easier and more str8 fwd). Another argument is that he will XB this board very often, especially this particular player who will have a disproportionate amount of AA and overpairs in this spot w such a tight 3b range pre, and making fold any piece is a success and i have massive eq anyway. Otoh, X seems also reasonable as it is no big deal giving a free card, and my hand can XC or XR happily.
TURN: Because of what i said on the player, this card hits his range veeery hard, but in relative terms, and given im uncapped where i have more nuts than him at this point, my question is; knowing he won't fold very often to a bet on this card, is it worth to barrel turn and river to try to push him off AA when unimproved by the river?(or vbet when improved). Whats the cost of barrel and getting raised? if I X, given this is such a good card for him in relative terms, I could expect him to bet it a lot as well, so is it reasonable my line, to fold out weak Ax hands? is it too optimistic to think that he would be capable of folding AA? Or because of all that i have said , I'm better off playing str8 fwd and XC?if so, what other hands will play like that as well??
Jan. 19, 2021 | 3:04 p.m.
Too aggro? my thought was, vs 1 I XC cos of lack of nuttiness but strong eq. Vs 2 w more dead money, one capped range at least, increased fold eq based on that and my card removal, can lower the SPR more(bigger XR) and still have at least decent eq on avg to stackoff. Maybe im overestimating things, not sure.
Jan. 18, 2021 | 2:23 p.m.
Preflop open is close: fold or open depenidng on table dynamics, havent checked on solver yet.
MAIN QUESTION: In theory; OTR, what are ur bluffs here? In practice: Do u ever need to bluff here?? vs what type of opponent etc?
what i thought in game is that is hard to come up w some bluffs here, and JJQ softly blocks some T combos (JT QT), My SDV is marginal, and I could fold him of a 4, maybe even his weaker Tx. Probably too optimistic.
Jan. 13, 2021 | 11:57 a.m.
thanks for feedback, i was thinking that indeed was low cb freq, and thats why chose a bigsizing w this hand because I would be betting not very often but rather polarized(also stackdepth threw me off a bit here). But I have better hands to polarize so my hand selection seems that wasnt the best. Would u go for XR otf, or there's no point since EV of XC flop is high already and we dont block top of his flop betting range after X?
Jan. 9, 2021 | 10:09 a.m.
as played , what sizing is better for turn?at this SPR , whats best flop action?, ar lower spr i would just pot , but this high , i was torned between betting big or try to XR. NOt sure of what would a small bet accomplish.
Jan. 8, 2021 | 11:01 a.m.
Not an expert, but start limping pre more often, so u can keep higher SPR's postflop and have an even greater positional advg. Let him hang himself. Eq's are even closer anyway. Make sure you have proper limpreraises in your range as well. I think a good aproach for these kind of guys, wuold be to limp a decently strong range and then raise polarized, so best raise call hands, ur raise 4b hands, and ur raise-fold hands. There are some 5c play vids dnt remember from whom.
Once you have established you have strong hands in ur limpcall range, he won't be able to blindly cb and take it down cos u'll have enough hands to resist, and he will eventually hang himself up. Also there might be some flops where u could be able to find some lighter bluff raises if he is betting so merged. Also make sure to increase ur 4b w ur stronger opens, like taking the best open calls and make them open 4b(when u have nut components)
Jan. 8, 2021 | 10:57 a.m.
2:22 top right. AJ94 hand. in this (and other similar spots), if called ott, what's ur plan on both dryer and and "wetter" rivers(8,k,T,etc). Is the hand too strong to turn into a river bluff on bet BET (big) line?. Is it reasonable to X some of those rivers unimproved to try to go to SD and then XR bluff if IP elects to bet river(and do the same for value when boating up)??
Jan. 5, 2021 | 5:17 p.m.
Hi, your videos are always very eloquent and instructive. About the last spot/sim on the XR bet line on q24 6. when going for the simplified strat, is it reasonable to merge b33 and b67 ranges into one b50 range instead of b67, so that the betting freq remains a little higher than going w a bigger size?. Any significant overall EV loss by choosing to simplify in that manner?. Also agree w deviating according to opponent's reaction. The worse he reacts to "non standard sizes" the more u deviate etc, not sure if by having the b50 by default, would allow u to deviate in game w proper ranges more intuitively.
And yes, it would be nice to see a deeper solver methodology vid
Jan. 5, 2021 | 4:14 p.m.
min 31:17. Maybe because in KQ5 Q X IP has a greater proportion of stronger hands relative to the counterpart of 963 6 7 hhh where IP will have less 6x and fh, and is more capped , having a tougher time w his range facing a shove. Whereas in KQ5 Q J he can get induced to raise some Kx or weak Q and random spazzes or even raise for value a weaker hand than top of your range. For instance if he hit QJ and raises u for value after u bet small w KK, u might be able to extract that extra value than going for POT and either getting called or fold out other hands he has that could either call or bluff raise if OOP opts for the small size.
I am not entirely sure, just especulating w potential reasons for it and listen to other opinions
Dec. 23, 2020 | 2:46 p.m.
How to build a button range vs an aggressive 3btor on the blinds, Would you limp the hands that would be dominated to his 3bet? or just fold?
Vs a tighter opponent, which hands would open fold despite the fact of being deep and IP.
I guess some will have to do with villain tendencies postflop and how likely are we to take the pot away when we miss. But i'm having some trouble when I open the button with my weak hands and get 3b by aggressive opponent, equitywise i should fold many of them, but then i give him leeway to punish my opens. In a 6max table, it'd be ok to just open tighter from the button and 4b more the aggressive maniacs with our good highcard hands(especially the ones that contain a and k in it with at least a nutsuit). But in a pure HU match how can we adjust besides limping more on the button? which hands would open call and open fold in that case??
May 18, 2017 | 12:33 p.m.
SB 3b range in that spot must somewhat tight and therefore highcard high pair focus. Against that range your hand performs pretty badly, and therefore a fold is better, cos SB range will toast you most of the time. Also button still can backraise, and then u will be certainly behind at least from one of them. 2 conditions must be met to play this hand in this spot.
1. Either the opponents are very loose and maniacs, and SB is going off with his 3b. Or btn is a fish and SB is trying to isolate him 3bting wider than usual.(same thing) , Then in this case 4b would make more sense cos your hand is smooth and will hit many flops, you block aa and kk, and also push and eq edge vs wide ranges pre.
2. Effective stacks were deeper so the SPR wouldnt be lower than 3 post flop. and you were the player closing the action pre, then calling can be ok. Also if button is passive and u know is not reraising will do.
The scpecific hand is an example of why fold is better pre in this case, not only SB is dominating you a lot, and vs aa you are about 30 % pre( which makes most of SB 3b range in that spot), but also 3 way, you are blocking each others out. And being 3way, you have to commit with your FD in it wouldnt be that uncommon that one of them, especially SB will have the NFD and have u lose a stack, which you would have saved just by folding pre here.
In this exact spot i rather call with a middling rundown(j high or below) where you will have at least 40% eq pre guaranteed vs SB 3b range) and stackoff in good flops and comfortably fold on the bad ones with more potential of stacking some of the players off, instead of you being stacked off by a dominating hand of similar features but better.
May 15, 2017 | 3:17 p.m.
yes, i was talking with a friend about the hand and also brought up about x-r the flop. But what do you think about x-r smaller to induce some light floats?? with smaller raise you can also balance out bluffs for cheaper. What do you think , st about 2.5x or 3 x?
thx for the input by the way
May 8, 2017 | 6:10 p.m.
I would add on the calling range more J combos, so basically i think if he is that passive he would be calling bare jacks as well. I would type "J" so to include all other top pairs that dont include a gutshot. I would also add tt,qq,kk. Maybe tt:c if you reckon he calls wih t and a club blocker, im not sure. Include tt's combos accoridng to your read on him. But some of this passive players will call evern worse shit. I could exclude j9+ not necessarily only the combos that include clubs with it and also exclude apart from what you have already, wraps + FD, so 78+:cc.
I widened a bit the flop and turn calling range to include more J combos. and excluded 78+:cc in the flop (assuming he would raise that). After doin that, in ther river , in the RD module says that he will show up with a J by the river almost 22% of the time and everything else left on his range 28% . I assume the rest 50% would be his air. And in the BC module his vaue bets increase to 37% , check down to 27% and air 36%(slightly lower but depreciable). According to this, mathematically is a break even call, but if you add the argument that Ibra Cadabra said before, and take into account his passive tendencies, i lean more towards a crying fold, even though it's annoying for that price.
May 1, 2017 | 12:52 p.m.
Pacific, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $518.76 (1,037.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
UTG: $237.61 (475.2 bb)
MP: $30 (60 bb)
CO: $59.65 (119.3 bb)
BTN: $50 (100 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 9c 9h Kd Js
2 folds, CO raises to $1.43, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.93
Flop: ($3.11) 3s 9d 9s (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.55, Hero calls $1.55
Turn: ($6.21) As (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.10, Hero raises to $6.20, CO folds
Results: $12.41 pot ($0.62 rake)
Final Board: 3s 9d 9s As
Hero mucked 9c 9h Kd Js and won $11.79 ($5.71 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$6.08 net)
Basically the question is, what would be the best line to extract max value here? villain is a nit with 29/9 (vpip/pfr) 2 agg, and 3% over almost 6k hands
The logic for the line i took was, that in the flop i dont see any value on betting myself obviously so i let him do, on the turn, since it is an a, and flush completes, i thought that if i donk i might fold out all of his pocket pairs that he couldve bet the flop with jj+, and also his bare pair of aces cos of the spade and he is so very tight. So i check to him to let him bluff(although he rarely does). Since the ace, is suppossed to hit him very hard and pocket aa is heavy in his preflop range, i thought that with a minraise i get calls from flushes and make him shove with aaa99, or make him spazz out if he has something like akkx with a or k of s. Probably i shoulvde just x-c the turn and x the river hoping for him to bet, cos if i bet he's not calling with his weaker hands and he will be betting aa's full anyway. So i guess there is no point on leading vs this specific player.
What are your thoughts?
May 1, 2017 | 12:04 p.m.
From EP and MP you only want super strong nutted multicomponent multiway hands and also that can ideally call a 3b profitably. I would fold those hands you mentioned(especially from UTG), any combo with all cards higher than 8, is good to go, also pairs, i would open all aa and all kk, and only very good qq with suitedness and connected sidecards. JJ's is a fold unless the table is weak and only if they are jjt8 ss,ds type of hand, cos it's very likely that anyone behind dominates that pair, qith higher pairs or big broadways that would outdraw. Rundowns, I would stick to t987 ss, or maybe 6789 if ds, but board coverage is not all that important from this position, cos big cards will hit flops more often and when they hit they will make way stronger sets straights 2 pairs and draws, and will often dominate opponents when the money goes in, or have bigger potential to oudraw "weak" nuts. For example, you open tjqk and flop comes 985 rb, you can bet and even if someone has the nuts with st like 67t9, you are flipping against and if you add backdoor FD your equity improves to be a slight favourite. If the board is 2tone and both hold a FD you are likely to hold the dominating FD and that will make you a massive favourite vs the bare nuts on that board. So that is just one specific example, but spots like that happens all the time, and that kind of scenario is what you want when you are OOP in a mway pot which is what will happen most of the time when you open from EP-MP. From MP, I 'd be almost as tight, maybe adding more qqxx combos, and more good JJ combos. You can loosen up a bit for connected broadways, if kqt8 ss, is a fold (as standard from EP) you could add it in on MP. As a rule of thumb, if i dont have a suit to the ace(along with the characteristics mentioned) i would fold especially from UTG, if i have only a k high suit, i need good connection potential and high card value. If only suited to the q or below, is generally a fold, unless u have st like 9tjq or 89tj.
Low rundowns are overvalued, that 2345 is just pure rubbish and is not gonna make you any money so just dump it from any position, maybe if a massive fish whale is on the CO and you opt to isolate him with a 3b from the BTN cos you reckon you can steeal it post then it's ok, but dont rely on those cards to make any money. Low flops are more uncommon and even when you hit the low straight , you will have shit FD redraws, and also your hand is very vulnerable to be outdrawn easily. From the CO onwards, i would add rundowns down to 5678(also with gaps in the middle or bottom) maybe if weak opponents 4567 ss,ds as minimum. Basically any hand that contains a 4 3 2, plummets in value a lot and is usually trash. Go to propokertools and try different starting hands, and press rank, and you can see how bad those hands rank in percentile. also play around changing cards, and see how swapping a card from an ok hand such as a657 ss, to a764 a763 or worse to a762, same with qjt8 to qjt4,etc, you can see how much those low danglers hurt a hand. Preflop is an extensive topic and a fat encyclopedia could be written on it, but i hope it helps.
One more data about the no need for low rundowns from EP for board coverage on low boards:
55% of all flops are 9 high or better, usually with 2 cards higher than 9. 14% are 8 high or lower, and 5% are 6 high or lower, further more, when you hit one of those low boards with your weak rundowns turn and river will virtually always bring higher cards so theres really no need for board coveage.
All this said, as in the previous post was mentioned, you can loosen up or tighten up your ranges according to table dynamics and opponent tendencie's , if they are passive, or 3b happy etc etc.
April 27, 2017 | 11:57 a.m.
Pacific, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
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SB: $71.81 (143.6 bb)
BB: $60.71 (121.4 bb)
CO: $497.83 (995.7 bb)
Hero (BTN): $102.97 (205.9 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BTN with Qd 8s 9h Jd
CO raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $4.93, 2 folds, CO calls $3.18
Flop: ($10.61) 9s 3c 7c (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $7.95, CO calls $7.95
Turn: ($26.51) 5h (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks
River: ($26.51) 2h (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks
Results: $26.51 pot ($1.32 rake)
Final Board: 9s 3c 7c 5h 2h
CO showed 6h Kd 7d Kc and won $25.19 ($12.31 net)
Hero showed Qd 8s 9h Jd and lost (-$12.88 net)
The question is easy. Should've I triple barrelled this board given that clubs missed and I have some blockers to the main straight and also otehr straight draws that he couldve continued with on the flop? how relevant is that i have the 8? I felt he couldve called me down with any random 2 pair but maybe if i barrelled the turn couldve made him fold by the river.(I think this after i saw his hand). Villain is 79/60 3b45 so a maniac pre but pretty passive postflop, that is I isolated him with the 3b pre.
Thanks for the inputs
April 26, 2017 | 4:46 p.m.
Pacific, $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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*Hero (SB): $255.22 (127.6 bb)*
BB: $569.70 (284.9 bb)
MP: $223.16 (111.6 bb)
CO: $443.03 (221.5 bb)
BTN: $210.40 (105.2 bb)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Qh Qc 7c 4d
3 folds, Hero completes, BB raises to $6, Hero calls $4
Flop: ($12) 3s 8c Qd (2 players)
Hero bets $2, BB calls $2
Turn: ($16) 5h (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $8, Hero calls $8
River: ($32) 9h (2 players)
Hero bets $2, BB folds
Results: $32 pot ($1.60 rake)
Final Board: 3s 8c Qd 5h 9h
Hero mucked Qh Qc 7c 4d and won $30.40 ($14.40 net)
BB mucked and lost (-$16 net)
This hand i played a while ago, i rarely donk on HU pots nowadays. Villain was competent TAG player. My standard here would be to x-c x-raise turn(on non straightening turns) or maybe x-r flop directly. Probably x-c x-raise turn would be the way to extract max value from the hand now that i look back on the hand. In this instance i opted for this weird fishy line cos i wanted to deviate from standard and see if i can induce something from him or make him spazz. Given this line , what would have you done if he raises on the flop? come over the top? or flat to give him rope with all his range?. If i flat he might just check the turn anyway but if i raise i basically fold all his range except strong wraps. As played ; would ever raise his turn bet there? , as played; on the river i feared he just checkback almost everything since i called him on the turn so i wanted to give him a chance to at least pay him the minimum or make him spazz again. Didnt work out, maybe i shouldve just gone with standard play. What is the best way to extract max value here?Maybe also check river and let him the chance to rep a straight??
April 24, 2017 | 1:04 p.m.
maybe, after he raises u on the flop, u could take the x-call line and evaluate the river. If the river is a brick, then u can check call , or reevaluate depending on his sizing and on how many sets u think he can have there. If river completes a possible straight, maybe u can bluff it by donking bit over half pot(and folding to a raise) or check raise depending on his sizing and how many draws u think he really has. (if he checks back then u get a free showdown).
May 28, 2015 | 11:44 a.m.
wouldve played the sameway, u over represent ur hand which makes it harder for him to call, so if we get called or raised then id probably give up, by the way u played i think is gonna take it down more often than not, plus u get more info about his hand by leading out than by chck calling
April 14, 2015 | 11:52 a.m.
reraise and get it in pre. as played check raise flop and get it in. if he really has it this time good luck to him well played, but letting him to attack is dangerous confusing and weak, gotta make a stand to let him know that he is not getting away that easy with his loose agression
April 12, 2015 | 1:56 a.m.
as the way u played it , i wouldve done the same, but IMO and if the opener pre is standard or solid, or im readless, i would've opted for the check call line 2 streets. x-c flop, x-c turn, x-fold river if he bets it again. If i have any kind of read ,or if ive seen him made any funky moves before or open light from UTG then i'd think about check raising him at some point, preferably at turn or river since that would represent much more strength. On the flop could be as well but he might get it in wider there(any pocket pair any 8 any hearts) and u just have an8, plus u get more info if u delay the play and can evaluate better and construct a better read on him.
April 10, 2015 | 12:23 p.m.
and one mre thing, when they limp, raise them IP and then u can get away bluffing them a lot cos tehy play fit or fold. If they come up with strange moves pre then give up, and postflop, if u have air and cbet and get called then evaluate if theyre chasing or have very weak hands then u can check turn and stab the river when they miss. Usually works. Also when lots of donkey limpers(beware of sandbaggers) squeeze big, and ull get 1 or 2 callers at most, and most of the time a c bet will do the work if teh squeeze dont work straight away.
These things have worked for me in those soft live turbo tournaments, online i think its too agressive of a strategy and there are more competent players so u can't abuse the table as often.
April 8, 2015 | 3:20 p.m.
i basically agree with Nital plus i would add, wait for a strong hand(top of ur 3 bet range), maybe aqs+ tt+ (adjust it depending on how extra tight is the overopener) and 3 bet them biiiig, and depending on ur stack size 3bet shove or 3 bet commit them if they call u. cos if they open they normally dont fold, so wait till ur ahead and go for it. Ive done it myself and have workd(similiar live trnys). All in all, rock up, wait for a good spot and pounce them with big bet poker(their own medicine).
April 8, 2015 | 3:12 p.m.
Bet /bet /bet is the way to go. Also agree with the limping arguments previously commented. A hand with a pair in Omaha is a handicap unless u hit ur set. Maybe HU or 3way with the maniac last to act ,then u could argue for the chk/raise OTF, otherwise start building a pot. If u dont get called u wouldnt get anything by checkraisng anyway, so theres not much room to get creative in that spot.