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Comment | tbeckett commented on Bluffing on the river

I couldn't work out whether I was blocking the opponents bluffs

Feb. 14, 2024 | 5 p.m.

The thing I find annoying with preflop charts is they don't tell you why. I naturally like to play lots of hands so it's hard to just do what a chart says.

Feb. 14, 2024 | 4:59 p.m.

What's the default strategy of playing off suit broadways in 6 max. Do you open them from every position?? What about calling?? If someone opens is it a good strategy to call with them.

To be clear to me broadways are J10 and above.

Feb. 5, 2024 | 1:49 p.m.

Post | tbeckett posted in NLHE: Bluffing on the river

The hand:

I open button for 2.5bb with 9c8s

BB calls

Pot 5.5 bb

Flop: 7s 6h Kd

I bet 3bb, BB calls

Pot 11.5bb

Turn: 6d

So board now: 7s 6h Kd 6d

BB leads 3bb, I call

Pot 17.5bb

River Qs

Board now: 7s 6h Kd 6d Qs

BB checks

I bet 14bb, BB calls and had K5hh

Was I right to bluff 98 in this spot??? Was my sizing any good??

I'd imagine when I call turn and bet river my value is going to be Kx and AA. I don't think I have a six here, I would also raise sets on the turn. My hands that miss that won't win at showdown are going to be 98,97,45,T8, diamond flush draws. Do I bluff every single hand that misses?? Or do I give up some. My Ax hands and pairs smaller than Kx that I call turn with, I would just check back the river.

Jan. 30, 2024 | 10:32 p.m.

When I play poker I just love playing lots of hands. Especially suited hands like connectors. I open everything like 98s but also the suited gappers like 86s 96s. I open them from every position. I also call these hands

Now I was under the impression that the better you got at poker the more hands you play preflop, but recently I've been watching high stakes games on youtube and I was surprised how tight everyone was. The best players folding everything I'm opening and they rarely call opens either. I just don't get it.

Why would they be folding so much. I understand folding crappy off suit hands, but not the suited. You can make straights and flushes, you can semi-bluff opponents off the best hands etc

I really don't get the logic, when I used to watch Ivey or Dwan playing they were opening/calling every hand and taking advantage of nits like Phil Hellmuth. Those guys was making big money and Hellmuth was going broke folding. What changed

Jan. 28, 2024 | 3:32 p.m.

Post | tbeckett posted in NLHE: Calling 4bets with jj-88

The set up: Effective stacks are 100bb, MP opens and we 3bet from the button. The opponent 4bets.

Sizings: open 3bb, we 3bet 10bb, opponent 4bets 25bb-30bb

Lets say you know the opponent only 4bets AA,KK,AK. Would you still be calling jj-88.

Jan. 23, 2024 | 2:08 p.m.

Dec. 11, 2023 | 11:42 a.m.

but what happens with the j10 910 type hands?? I just give up and accept they lose

Dec. 8, 2023 | 7:07 p.m.

thanks a lot steve really appreciate the help

Dec. 6, 2023 | 7:31 p.m.

Amazing answer, exactly what I was looking for so thanks for that Steve. Few questions.

  1. It looks to me like on the turn gto checks a lot of two pairs. But bets the sets why is that?? I would have thought sets would be better as a check raise than the two pair.

  2. With the straight draw and non showdown flushes is it going to be as simple as bet turn and then bet any river.

  3. What do we do with our complete air hands like j10s. Do we just completely give up on those hands, check turns and river, accept we lose sometimes.

Dec. 6, 2023 | 1:55 p.m.

So lets say I'm playing 6max the CO opens and I call in bb.

The Flop comes Ks7d2h

I check in the big blind and the CO also checks.

Turn is 5d

So the board I now Ks7d2h5d

What I should I be thinking about here in terms of bluffing. What hands should I start bluffing the turn with and what hands should
I just check again.

In terms of my range lets break it into two groups.

  1. Hands with obvious board connection. So in this hand it will be diamond flush draws, straight draws like 89, 43

  2. Hands that have still completely missed like j10, 910, Q9 no diamond etc

Am I meant to just bluff every hand in my range when the player shows weakness, and try to steal the pot? Or is there still some checking I need to do? And what determines that check or bluff, what is the thought you use to decide?? How does GTO approach this spot

Thanks for reading

Dec. 2, 2023 | 6:37 p.m.

So gto checks those hands in that spot. I was expecting that GTO would bet for protection. And the reason I say GTO is because the player thinks that way.

Dec. 2, 2023 | 11:49 a.m.

Yeah, but same logic the other way. If you don't have no value hands and it's all bluffs, then it's profitable for the opponent to always call you in this spot. So he must have value. I just can't work out what value hands he reaches river with to make this line work.

Nov. 30, 2023 | 1:16 p.m.

Here's the hand:

Button opens 2.5x
Hero in SB has QJcc and 3bets 10bb
Button 4bets to 25bb
Hero calls

Flop: 3c8c5h

Hero in SB checks
Button checks

Turn : 5d
So board is now: 3c8c5h5d

Hero in sb checks
Button checks

River: 9d
So board is now: 3c8c5h5d9d

Hero bets 15bb into 50bb
Button folds

Very simple hand, but I really wanted to understand the ranges of the top player better. For him to be able to bet that river as a bluff he needs to be able to have some value hands in that spot. But what hands would he have for value?? Surely when the opponent checks that flop and you get that turn you should be betting the turn with every pair you have?? Trying to understand how he's balanced in that spot.

Nov. 29, 2023 | 6:12 p.m.

New to 6max PLO I'm trying to work out a decent open raise range utg. Would you open AQdd52hh??? And what would you say is the worst suited ace you would open.


Nov. 24, 2023 | 7:36 p.m.

Nov. 23, 2023 | 8:48 p.m.

I'm knew to 6max PLO, In the past I played a lot of heads up so I understand the game pretty well, but I'm not sure how tight you need to be opening. I'm interesting in seeing what the worst hand GTO experts open utg. Anyone know anywhere I can get a rough idea.

Nov. 23, 2023 | 5:30 p.m.

If villain bluffs 20% of the time, then we have 20% equity (80% of the
time he has a value hand we lose to. It's the river so our equity with
a bluffcatcher = how often he is bluffing.) Our pot odds are 2:1, so
we would need 33% equity to call.

Is what your talking about here called anything specific, because I don't understand it to well and would like to do some reading on it. Or are you just saying that the pots odds are telling us we need villain to be bluffing 33% to break even on bluff catching in this spot.

Oct. 31, 2023 | 7:42 p.m.


If villian bluffs 20% and we have 20% equity doesn't that mean we should call

Oct. 31, 2023 | 1:19 p.m.

Thanks for taking the time to comment. I understand it's long, but I like to understand how it works rather than just following GTO, because I find otherwise I never feel comfortable. My brain won't allow me to just blindly follow something.

So I workout the pot odds, I'm guessing this gives me my break even point. Then I get the equity by comparing my hand against his RFI range. Then if the equity is higher than the break even point, I can profitably call this hand. What do you mean by realization?? and why would this matter??

Oct. 29, 2023 | 5:49 p.m.

Lets say I'm playing heads up. How do I work out what hands I need to be calling? I'm talking about calling in the big blind when the small blind raises, and also when getting 3bet. There's a lot of things online that show you what hands to call. Preflop charts. But I'd like to be able to work it out myself. Is that possible? If so what is the method?? Thanks for reading.

Oct. 29, 2023 | 8:20 a.m.

Thanks for your detailed and full answers Steve it really helps me out. I guess a better way would be asking what we actually doing here in terms of maths?? Are we converting odds to probability?? Is this breakeven point the same as implied probability in sports betting??

Oct. 9, 2023 | 11:36 a.m.

Lets say I have a pot odds ratios 3:1 using the typical calculation 1/(3+1) x 100 = 25. You get 25%. What does that 25% represent/mean and how so??

Oct. 6, 2023 | 3:51 p.m.

How are you not calling with 55, 54s, 65s, A5s we should have a lot of 5x

Sept. 18, 2023 | 7:24 a.m.

Depends on the opponent 3bet range and your range If he has tonnes of hands like j10s,qjs and you have lots of flushes, then your k high can just check.

You should have a lot of 5x in this spot 55,54,65,a5 and you might bet your decent Ax on the river, so you should bet and opponent should fold The only time it gets dodgy is if you have no 5x and you don't bet Ax on the river. A good opponent will notice that and start calling you light.

Sept. 18, 2023 | 7:23 a.m.

is there anywhere you know that explains the math behind the rule of 2 and 4. I'd like to know how it works.

Sept. 17, 2023 | 6:56 a.m.

To be clear you know you need 40% equity because you take the pot odds 1.5:1 and you do 1/(1+1.5) = 0.4 then times 100 to get 40%.

What does that 40% mean?? It started as pot odds but we've converted it to??

In sports betting that 40% would mean a team has 40% chance of winning. But poker is slightly different, I wonder whether it means something else.

Sept. 16, 2023 | 2:30 p.m.

Here's an interesting one:

Lets say Robl range is AQs,AQos,KK,AA,QQ then for bluffs AKcc and AJcc. Using pot odds/equity can Rob Yong ever call with this KJdd hand.

Sept. 16, 2023 | 8:42 a.m.

Aaah I see so if someone starts bluffing too much my equity goes up, which allows me to call more. So understanding your opponents range is very important.

Thanks for the help Steve.

Sept. 16, 2023 | 7:32 a.m.

Thanks for this detailed comment. Gonna take me a few days to process it. But I'll no doubt have some questions. Thanks for taking the time to write it.

Sept. 16, 2023 | 7:29 a.m.

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