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Thanks Emty. That answers it!

Jan. 2, 2022 | 9:42 p.m.

How do you see incorporating bet sizing into the CBet %'s?

ie...Bigger bet sizing on KJ7 flushdraw vs Q73 rainbow...and how important to have 1 bet size for full range vs 2 or more bet sizes?

Jan. 2, 2022 | 7:05 a.m.

Comment | 1974blue commented on PLO Question

As the PFR in a multiway pot, say on a flop of AT6 with a flush draw, I don't see the benefit of betting small with a made hand, (set or top 2), on the turn about half the deck will bring a straight or flush possibility and either slow down the action or our opponent drew out cheaply.

Why doesn't AA or TT need protection/equity denial in that spot?

Dec. 25, 2021 | 8:31 p.m.

Thanks Emty!

The game was 8 handed.

My play was player dependent, and I felt he could get out of line, but also if he did have the nut flush that he wouldn't likely check the turn for fear of not getting value from me, if he did have the nut flush, to me nothing in the play of the hand to that point indicating I would bet if checked to.

I also for some reason felt he had KK with the Q blocker.

His hand was AJ of spades Q of hearts and off suit 8

Dec. 25, 2021 | 6:39 a.m.

I bet about 2/3rd pot, $25, and villain pretty much min XR to $62 leaving just under a pot size bet on the river.

River is brick 7 and he shoves...

Dec. 20, 2021 | 7:12 p.m.

Paul in the AAJ3 hand around the 6 minute mark.

In hand you checked flop, in review mentioned you prefer a bet.

On the river:

1) Do you see merit to any other size than pot? 2/3rd, 3/4?

2) Do you see the answer to #1 changing based on the betting/checking the flop?

As played, I think checking back flop on 489 with the nut flush draw is less believable to general population than betting IP as PFR with the nut flush draw.

Do you think that flop action is an important factor on what we do on the river? ie...less likely to get called on the river if betting the flop vs more likely to get called on river when we don't cbet that flop?

Dec. 19, 2021 | 7:02 p.m.

PLO $200 100BB starting stack. LAG ish reg opens pot UTG, I call ATT5 DS on button, T5 of hearts, blinds fold.

AK4 flop with AK of hearts, Villain bets $10.50 into $16, I call.

Turn is 6H, Villain checks.

What do you do and why?

Dec. 19, 2021 | 8:23 a.m.

KK88 hand - Would be interesting to see how monker suggests playing the hand post flop, specifically bet sizing.

On the flop unblocking diamonds and QJ9, bigger sizing than 2/3rd pot?

On turn and river, any sizing besides pot?

Dec. 19, 2021 | 8:05 a.m.

Interesting videos...When you post your third one can you include the results of all these?

Ie 20 tourneys played, Bought in for x$, cashed in X of tourneys for a total return of x....

Thanks

So far (or maybe comment at the end) would you say you are running even, ahead, behind of expectations?


Aug. 5, 2013 | 5:45 a.m.

CO: JAP903JAP903: $517.84
BN: ItsGoTimeNow: $100
SB: 1974blue: $181.51
BB: dvz722: $80.95
HJ: badoobi: $598.53
Preflop ($3.00) (5 Players)
1974blue was dealt 4 7 A 6
badoobi raises to $6, JAP903JAP903 folds, ItsGoTimeNow folds, 1974blue calls $5, dvz722 calls $4
Flop ($18.00) 6 Q A (3 Players)
1974blue checks, dvz722 checks, badoobi bets $9, 1974blue calls $9, dvz722 folds
Turn ($36.00) A (2 Players)
1974blue checks, badoobi bets $20, 1974blue calls $20
River ($76.00) T (2 Players)
1974blue checks, badoobi bets $20, 1974blue calls $20
Final Pot
badoobi has K T 3 T 1974blue has 4 7 A 6 1974blue wins $112

Aug. 2, 2013 | 5:35 a.m.

Thanks all!

July 31, 2013 | 4:23 a.m.

Post | 1974blue posted in Chatter: Back to back MTT wins!

Pretty cool 24 hours!

Took down the PLO and then the HORSE tourney!


July 29, 2013 | 7:27 a.m.

Comment | 1974blue commented on Please no Diamond..

IMO, it is either the flush or a missed straight draw like K-Q-J-x  or in this spot even just a hand like A-Q-J-x.

Very player dependent spot, as some players frequently check jam the flop with their nut flush draws especially out of position, others don't.

You don't often see players bet low flushes for a big bet out of position, especially with chips behind.

As described, I'd be inclined to call and expect to see naked A of diamonds so he knows you don't have the nuts with a missed straight... 

With the nut flush I would expect to see a move earlier in the hand or a smaller bet on the river, like half pot...

July 28, 2013 | 6:52 a.m.

Wanted to get other ideas here...

What is the standard line in PLO regarding river bet sizing when the draw gets there?

Standard situations like we open in position and get 3 bet by one of the blinds, 10-9-2 rainbow flop, turn a 3, river brings a straight card with an 8 or K action is flop - cbet/call - Turn - cbet/call and river is checked to you...

I play primarily .25-.50 and .50-$1, dabble in the $1-2/$2/4 but in those games, usually short and usually play fold or get it in on flop or pre...When deep, in the 25-50/50-1 games, ff we bet pot on the river, rarely if ever does it seemed we get called if opponent doesn't have straight, against some opponents, we get paid off a higher frequency on the J-Q.

Also same situation but 2 flush on the flop, same action river brings the flush.

In these situations I haven't experienced value in betting pot with my nuts and my air.

I have had good results (IMO) with betting 40-60% of pot in these spots, I haven't found opponent is calling my airs and not paying me off, I get paid off more and get my bluffs called more... where as in betting pot rarely get paid off, and get called sometimes with air (when opponent has 2nd/3rd nut usually..)

So I am thinking I am reducing my variance without lowering equity(perhaps increasing it, by getting paid off more..) by reducing the bet size in all river draw hits situations...

Wondering others thoughts here...I am on the right track, missing something, at the bigger limits? How could this be exploitable?

Thanks...

July 27, 2013 | 6:31 a.m.

Sam,

Enjoying your videos...2 things.

1) The A-A-9-2 hand. I don't think it matters much equity wise whether you play it as you did, or if you flat pre. I think the big difference is going to be the variance. As played we are going to triple up ish or lose, where as flatting pre, is playing stack control...

What is preferred? I think depends on opponents, the tougher the opponents more I like the jam, against lesser opponents who regularly stack off with top 2, any set, any pair+flush draw...When we get an Ace flop or flush draw we can get our stack in being 70%+...

Against Twin Caracas you mentioned his 25% 3 bet percentage, and that you felt it was even higher vs you personally.

What do you think a solid players 3 bet % and other #'s should be, VPIP, CBET etc...(in a vacuum)

Also it looked like your cbet #'s were 23%. So just jumped out at me during the video that you mentioned how wide/loose Twin Caracas was/is, when your #'s look similar, but perhaps you were referencing how he comes after you?

Following up on that, what about against opponents who make our life tough in that manner, moving seats, or taking seats where we are in position against them, or at least a position or 2 to their right, rather than on their immediate right.

July 27, 2013 | 6:04 a.m.

Post | 1974blue posted in PLO: Set blockers crushed
1-2 PLO Hi Lo...

I have A-K-J with board of A-K-Q and up against A-A-K.

Does set blockers/straight blockers work better for others?

Seems like so many times my blockers just get me buried...


Merge Game #71139491-571 | Omaha H/L8 PL ($1/$2) | 07/23/2013 00:56:56 EST | Version:2Table Malaysia (71139491), Seats 6Seat 1: KidSqueeze ($88.00 in chips) DEALERSeat 2: tonyjulian ($216.17 in chips)Seat 3: sumando1 ($173.34 in chips)Seat 4: HippieFlip ($609.78 in chips)Seat 6: 1974blue ($328.10 in chips)tonyjulian: Post SB $1.00sumando1: Post BB $2.00*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to 1974blue [Js Kd 5d Ad]HippieFlip: Fold1974blue: Raise $5.75KidSqueeze: Raise $20.25tonyjulian: Foldsumando1: Fold1974blue: Call $14.50*** FLOP *** [Qh Ah Ks]1974blue: CheckKidSqueeze: Bet $43.501974blue: Raise $87.00KidSqueeze: Allin $24.25*** TURN *** [8c]*** RIVER *** [4d]*** SUMMARY ***KidSqueeze: Shows [Ac 7d Kc As]1974blue: Shows [Js Kd 5d Ad]KidSqueeze: wins $175.001974blue: wins $19.25 (uncalled)


July 23, 2013 | 7:31 a.m.

Post | 1974blue posted in PLO: Blockers crushed...
Seems like a pretty standard occurrence, other than folding preflop what can I do?

Board has 2 flush draws on the turn, to many set, 2 pair and Aces with flush draw hands to lay down IMO...

I put him on Aces with a flush draw, a hand like A-A-K-7


Merge Game #71141484-253 | Omaha PL ($0.50/$1) | 07/23/2013 00:26:56 EST | Version:2Table Torshavn (71141484), Seats 6Seat 2: sheriffearl ($183.22 in chips) DEALERSeat 3: andinista420 ($149.06 in chips)Seat 4: daddyslittlebabygirl ($65.52 in chips)Seat 5: 1974blue ($103.82 in chips)andinista420: Post SB $0.50daddyslittlebabygirl: Post BB $1.00*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to 1974blue [6s Tc Ts 9d]1974blue: Raise $3.50sheriffearl: Foldandinista420: Folddaddyslittlebabygirl: Raise $11.001974blue: Call $7.50*** FLOP *** [Kd Qc Jd]daddyslittlebabygirl: Check1974blue: Bet $11.25daddyslittlebabygirl: Call $11.25*** TURN *** [7c]daddyslittlebabygirl: Bet $30.001974blue: Raise $60.00daddyslittlebabygirl: Allin $13.27*** RIVER *** [6d]*** SUMMARY ***daddyslittlebabygirl: Shows [Ad As 8s Td]1974blue: Shows [6s Tc Ts 9d]daddyslittlebabygirl: wins $129.541974blue: wins $16.73 (uncalled)





July 23, 2013 | 7:26 a.m.

The result of this hand is a situation that I feel occurs often enough, and when it does the cost is devasting.

Getting it in drawing dead with top pair/2 pair against top set, and doing so under the premise we have top set blocker....

Just seems if we are right and we are ahead we are probably somewhere between 40-60% against a continuing range like A-Q-J-10, Q-J-10-9, Q-Q-J-9 and if opponent has air such as 6-7-8-9 and lays down, the amount of $ we pick up when opponent lays down to a flop or to turn x raise is miniscule compared to the amount we lose when way behind/drawing dead like in this case.

Regarding this hand. seems like with our check raise, anything other than opponent lay down puts us in a difficult spot come the river.

What about a turn donk bet/fold strategy? or turn donk bet, and check call unpaired rivers 8 or below. If we are ahead on the turn, a 9-10-J-Q or A would seem to make opponents likely turn calling ranges that we are ahead of, now beat us with a straight or bigger 2 pair...


July 22, 2013 | 2 a.m.

Phil/Sam,

In the last hand, Sam had A-7-5-4 with the 10-7-3 heads up with the pre flop raiser out of position.

In value betting Aces up on the river and facing the pot sized raise.

In the analysis Phil mentioned opponent would do that with all J-J and K-K hands that peeled our flop check raise.

If opponent did have the rivered nuts of K-J for the straight on the board of 10-7-3-A-Q, what would you expect the bet size to be from opponent on the river? Is there any sizing you are folding to?

Wouldn't/shouldn't he do the same thing with K-J as he is doing with his bluffing/betting range for balance reasons?

Also not clear on why you are not giving K-J more of a possibility in this spot, hands like 10-J-Q-K, A-10-K-J, J-J-Q-K, K-K-Q-J and 9-10-J-K all fit a pre  lop raise, Cbet/call raise, call , river the nuts range, right?

Thanks for your insights...

July 22, 2013 | 1:32 a.m.

DirtyD,

Thought this might be helpful.

In situation 1, most player aren't going to raise the pre flop raiser on the turn with a hand that is behind, and if we are behind, to bare trips, we have 2 outs, a full house we are drawing dead. So given that, we wouldn't call the raise, the possibility of getting raised shouldn't stop us of from betting, and getting value from hands in situation #2)

I'd suggest think again about situation #3. If a player has a flush draw and decides to continue with it when the turn pairs, very rarely IMO do they stab as you described when checked to, more often they check behind and realize whatever equity they have for free.

So IMO betting here is very important for 2 reasons 1) To give them a bad price, increase our EV if they want to try to draw out, but more importantly to not let them extract their equity for free when they are behind and not getting pot odds on a board that they they have a very low frequency of bluff raising. 

If playing against a tricky opponent who has bluff raising, or double barreling worse hands when checked to on the turn capabilities, then everything changes...

Hope that helps...


July 21, 2013 | 4:18 a.m.

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