Hi PLO lowstakes community...
This week there will be plenty of freerolls (5fpp) and 1.5$'s on pokerstars, i think it's a good BR booster for some.
If you want to play higher buyins, on Saturday 9th of August, pricepools are doubled in PLO MTT's
Also, if you want to give PLO hilo and FLO8 a shot, it would improve the mixed game economy ;)
See you at the tables ;)
Aug. 5, 2014 | 2:26 p.m.
Very nice video Swiss fellow ;)
32:41 You're folding AA47 (OP/OESD + BDFD). I think this is not such a clear fold since the player behind you (and rarely ever anyone) hits this board texture that hard.
-Against T6** you're 43.3%
-Against Ah*h** you're 48.5%
-Against KhK*h* you're even 52%
Worst case (imo)
This would really suck, but I think when getting it HU with the shorty (where we need 43%~~), GII should be profitable. So the question is: Is the +EV$ of GII vs shorty outlasting the -EV$ of when the third player GII? Could you elaborate a bit on this? Thanks ;)
July 4, 2014 | 2:56 p.m.
Nice Video ;) I just played my first hour on that site and I can't 2 table it at all. I'm also not able to see spots like
"I discard 9h instead of 8c since we need the 9d to make a flush on the bottom" (~~13:00)
(14:15) seems so close. Could you elaborate a bit more, why you didnt put trips on the bottom?
-The Queen of Diamonds would be nice to use on top~~ (-33% fantasy land chance)
-trip 666 could be a winner sometimes on the bottom
-that way, fouling become so less likely (how big were the odds to foul at 14:15 anyway?)
-> you said 55% to make it later...what was it at that point?
-How much is the Flush-royalty worth compared to fantasy land?
June 23, 2014 | 8:09 p.m.
I need the help of a winning NL25/50/100 Zoom reg, that has a good understanding of today's online player pool. I seem to have huge problems when facing an opponent and not having HM2 stats, so I my hand reading sucks massively in some spots and I therefore make "mistakes".
To my background: I'm a winning O8 tournament player and I have no intention making any money on NL25 Zoom or sth. My goal is to "beat that game" and to get an understanding of the game, that is currently played.
My assumptions on NL25 Zoom are:
-15% VPIP 6max means that most people are quite nitty and nut-peddling
-they always have it in Showdowns
-Most people 3b for value, it's usually the best idea to 4b them with almost no bluffs
-Some people 3b a ton and with stuff like A6s/Q9s/56s. I can't know it before I've gone to showdown with them.
--> These 2 points cause a lot of problems in my game. When having AQ, I don't know if I'm facing the LAG or the nit. How am I continuing against a 3b with AQ? Should i fold?
Hand 1: I have AQ UTG (0.75$ open) and get 3b by MP to 2.25$. The flop is QsJs3c. The SPR is about 4.5.
->If I c/r this board, I only get called by better. Should I still do it against an unknown opponent in todays game? Cbets in 3b pots are almost 100%, aren't they?
->If I c/c, hands i beat will often shut down and hands that improve (6s7s~~) might catch their draw
In that hand, the turn blanked and he caught the As on the river, making a flush with 67ss (he 3barreled). This caused severe tilt as I didn't know what my "optimal line" would be against unknown opponents.
So what's your opinion, in general and in that hand specifically??
a) 4b/f pre more often
b) c/R/GII flop
c) c/ship turn blank
March 23, 2014 | 12:21 p.m.
Isn't that small of a betsize allowing an opponent to call IP with hands he should fold if we POT? (referring to the b/f attempt)
Position becomes very unimportant if we POT it, but it lets us make a mistake more often if we bet small.
Dec. 25, 2013 | 9:04 p.m.
I wouldn't recommend 4beting only AA** in SB vs BB (the SPR is higher than in a CO vs BTN situation and that makes the play less profitable)
But I agree that 4beting this doesn't achieve that much. I'd stick to double suited hands like AJT9ds, if the 3betor is too wide. That hand has an Ace blocker, dominates a lot of ranges and very good playability.
(also AKKx should show a profit)
I used to 4bet too many hands vs these "maniacs". Calling achieves a lot too, if they have crappy hands 3beting you.
The thing is, even if the 3betor has AA** once in a while, he's gaining too much imo (if you 4bet this wide).
Sept. 4, 2013 | 4:58 p.m.
What was the buy-in? Who did give you that feedback?
Who is that BTN player? What does he know about ICM?
I think the btn can't be that good because he should shove a good range here. If he plays like this all the time in these spots, his range will become clear to regulars. I would not really care about his opinion of your play - especially if he raised 99 there and called your shove - because he would clearly have misplayed that spot.
This spot is exactly why you need a good image. The others must think you're tight and fold to that shove most of the time. I envy old players who never get called by hands other than QQ/KK/AA here (on the bubble) because other old guys think they only shove nuts with a 2bb player present.
Aug. 31, 2013 | 8:51 p.m.
I play stakes between PLO25 and PLO100, mostly grinding PLO25/50 on stars/FTP. I'm a solid winning player at mixed games and those are where my profit comes from right now. I want to be able to have a range of games where I can sit in and be making lots of $. My contribution to the study group could be in hand example reviews, but also some user 2 user sessions with players focussing on the same problems in PLO.
My skype name is: andreasfr89
Aug. 29, 2013 | 12:18 p.m.
I still 3b this against such a loose HJ. I don't think I need a suit to make this hand profitable against this villain.
As played I fold to the c/raise on the flop since I'm most likely up against a set of QQQ or at least two pair. (although I'm blocking one) This is exactly why double suitedness is so strong because it would allow you to call and stack off on lots of turns imo.
-Note that villain in BB is never bluffing here since you could also trap with a set of QQQ and so at least you are showing strength (CBet 84% doesnt mean that much of strength)
3b pre and if the hand is considerably less connected (gap at the top), you can muck it.
Aug. 11, 2013 | 8:16 a.m.
So I used 48/209$ for your pot odds, that is 23%:
36% avr equity on last 20% (27$)
50% avr equity on 2nd 20% (56$)
80% avr equity on 1st 20% (119$)
27$*0.2 +56$*0.2+119$*0.2 =40$ (60% of the time)
You lose 37.50$ (32% of the time)
I didn't count the 8% of flops where you have 23% -30% equity
0.6*40$ -0.32*37.50$= +12$ EV (compared to folding)
Can anyone confirm this more or less?
Aug. 1, 2013 | 2:32 a.m.
I don't think that I'd call his 5b, wouldn't 4b either this deep and as you say, including the fish might be worth way more. Also this deep, 12% 3b shouldn't make you 4b your hand imo
According to your calculations, you have to fold 35% postflop, which is a loss of 75bb more than if you had folded. I don't think any 65% of all other flops can make up for this...(probably Tom can give you the exact numbers)
Aug. 1, 2013 | 2:14 a.m.
damnit, 2nd error in 20minutes on this forum *_*
Anyway:I think I've messud up my post a bit. My turn plan is way more interesting than the following river decision. I agree on Q/K being bad cards, A being a horrible card to try a 3barrel.Make that K a 9 or a T and what would your turn plan be?
I think the board on the flop should make us plan a lot of 3barrels (or we should fold this hand preflop, because we have one of the best hands for this flop ever)
-Turn 2-8 makes it a 100% 2barrel with the intention of barreling most rivers too (imo), representing just a way stronger hand than they can call with.
July 31, 2013 | 2:42 p.m.
He's got a mixture of wraps/2pair made hands. Against that you should definitely vbet, I'd put in slightly more (18.25$+)
If he shows up with a set of 999, you just got unlucky I guess (and I would also make a note that he defends such hands in the big blind and never raising it when he makes a hand)
July 31, 2013 | 2:06 p.m.
Probably the most difficult spot for me to analyze yesterday:
-Raising this UTG vs passive BB, weird guy who does not 3b (BTN) and i Reg in the cutoff, could fold it too
-Not that happy on the flop to get two callers, I assume BTN and/or the BB have my flushdraw dominated. Setting me
up a bit to 3barrel this if no hearts show up.
-I don't think that the "K" is the worst card for me. I would have stopped on an "A" because somebody is more likely
to call the flop with AA** than KK**. I would have liked a Q/T/9/... more to go on with a bet.
-My river plan was to put in a 3rd barrel on all 2-8's/J's.
a) Is it okay to fire on the turn again with my river plan?
b) Would you change something about my river 3barrel? (I don't think bluffcatching would be a good idea if I hit a J, as they are
July 30, 2013 | 2:05 p.m.
So there's another hand I played yesterday:
-Hoping to be not too much results oriented I feel like folding this hand on the flop because my draw is the the second best hand
-If I call though, should I also "only call" the turn
-My reason to shove turn was clearly to not let him draw to a FH for free.
This weird guy does not 3bet at all, so I have to be more careful in single raised pots on this board texture I guess.
July 30, 2013 | 1:55 p.m.
My opponent just 4b me and has AA** most of the time, so this deep I call being an equity dog.
(Villain 34/23/9 , this is his 1st 4b after 56 hands)
On the flop I decide to raise his continuation bet, assuming that I should have fold equity against naked AA**.
I was wrong about it. I would definitely do the same with pair + flushdraw/top2+/NF blocker+pair+OESD.
So should I prefer to call and bluff scare cards or can he just POT any non-spade putting me on exactly the right hand?
Shouldn't he be more careful with his hand in your opinion? (although he can't afford to lose this 4b pot all that often)
July 30, 2013 | 1:30 p.m.
I'm not playing your stakes, but I see a problem with "deep stack, I'm very uncomfortable and overcautious" concerning Bankrollmanagement.
What all the others said does apply to most stake above NL100/200. Position becomes more important and therefore 3beting light becomes necessary to be balanced. As long as you know that, for a live game you're fine.
Still I think the psychological aspect is more important. I've been playing NL200/400 with people live that were technically worse poker players but I've been money scared that time. Still I couldn't sit there 1000bb deep with someone on my left, because 4000$ is too much on the table.
How does losing 10000$ affect you??? This is probably the answer to your feeling of discomfort. Can you still sleep well and play your A-game the next day?
July 16, 2013 | 3:36 p.m.
-When I played the hand 4 handed, "vovtroy", a huge winner at the game opened a few more hand while 2 of us were short. Because I wasn't that much ahead of Merlin, I was a bit worried that he could double up instead of busting at one point.
-AK26 seems is a hand that gets rarely scooped (I guess about 25%)
If I scoop, I would be almost even with Vovtroy so that I might have a shot on 2nd place later.
Do you think this play was -EV$?
July 14, 2013 | 11:57 p.m.
"This is an atrocious board for your 4-bet range so checking back is probably the range play"
So, because it hits our range so poorly, why don't we go ahead and bet/call it off when we hit??
We need 41% to stack off here, which we even have against the toprange (89** and Ad*d**).
To be honest, with these stats I don't worry too much about villains hand, it could be anything.
A reason for checking back is to make drawing dead hands put in money, but isn't our opponent going to play us rather perfectly here? I mean, once he bets the turn, when we give action he should be so alert that we've actually hit, especially if we raise. However, on the flop he might think he can bluff us off a hand and we just go for a coinflip here....
I can't afford to lose these pots. I pot here to make AKTJ fold instead of letting it bluff the turn and call it off if he happens to have a hand.
(Besides, my check-back range would include lots of AA8T type of hands which hope for a miracle turn.)
July 13, 2013 | 1:39 p.m.
It probably depends a lot on his aggression. Against some I think c/back is good as you can't call a c/raise. As a default play I'd probably bet the turn as well, around 13.50$...
Your river size looks very strong to me, so that I could fold 2pair to you whereas I'd probably call more often if a little less ;)
-do you also bluff this big to make it polarized here?
July 8, 2013 | 12:39 p.m.
28:06, why are you not raising a turned straight vs a guy with an AF of 1? He could have a worse straight couldn't he?
Or is the reason to flat, that you can valuebet with a weaker perceived range? (which I think is the worse option than getting called by 52 by raising the turn)
July 6, 2013 | 3:06 p.m.
32:00+ Why does Sam in your/his opinion with noone showing any real strength. I know it's a 3 handed pot, but how is the 3$ bettor going to continue to a raise here? I think this hand should belong into the bluffraising range we have as it has good (and nutted) backdoor equity.
1) If this is not the hand to bluffraise there, which one is?
2) Make that board a lockdown board like 956, how does it affect Sam's bluffraising range?
(I've seen his note -->topset 2$ into 20$, but doesn't he need confirmation in that play?
I've seen lots of players, maybe not on PLO100, who "balance" those small bets with toprange hands, but then have a wide folding range at the same time)
July 6, 2013 | 1:40 p.m.
I aggre, no worse hands are calling, so by that definition your purpose of betting is to make him fold. You're bluffing A5** maybe, but that's about it, so I guess you should rather c/call some of the time (can't tell whether your opponent is bluffing often in this spot obviously)
July 4, 2013 | 1:38 p.m.
Against a 70/55 kind of guy, who c/calls a lot I agree to cbehind. Against a good opponent I also often give up here. But against a 18/7, which seems kind of weak-tight, I think Cbeting can't be that bad as I expect a decent amount of folds or check-raises since the nuts are going to change so frequently that ooP, the usual 18/7 is not continuing with weak draws (unless he has nutted spades)
It all depends, I just generally like Cbeting almost 100% against an 18/7 in position, although you're right that this is the worst board for our naked AA**
To OP: add a c/call HUD stat, this is going to help you to determine when to barrel (need 200 hands or so, somewhat reliable after 5 scenarios of c/calls)
June 13, 2013 | 4:41 p.m.
dead cards: 336JKTQ + (8-)/(8-)
Hero: 5239 (67.54%) vs
Because it was a 3bet pot (523 was 56% due to dead cards -must), when I caught well and he bricked, he got 9.8:1 on a call. With his assumed 28% (I think the 3rd person had a 8-8-3 type of hand) it's still a good call equity wise.
He has 1x 3, 3x5's,3x6's,4x7's (4x 8's) -2 cards, so 9-13 cards which seem to be good /out of 38. Now the main problem is, what if I catch good?
Don't get me wrong, all in all, it seems like a good call, he's getting a good 5th street scenerio 1:7 times, a pefect (9's pairing +locard) in 1:30 times with pot odds 1:9.8.
Would you still call with pot odds 1:6.5 there? (if the pot was single raised)
Make that 9 on my board a 7 and it's always a fold with a King showing?
June 13, 2013 | 2:29 p.m.
It depends on your opponent, mostly I'd Cbet to take it down here. Your hand is so weak on so many turn cards that you can't really check back, unless you want to give up imo.
On the turn I wouldn't bluff without blockers, as you make the pot bigger and lose it more often than winning it against a decent player. If you know he's always drawing and not leading rivers, go ahead and bet/fold.
June 11, 2013 | 5:02 p.m.
Even a beginner should pay close attention to board textures. You're right with c/raises -that works with some opponents. Just make sure when c/raising you know whether you are calling or folding before you make that play :)
Against maniacs, I would semibluff exactly what was suggested, blockers with flushdraws. Otherwise a herocall against pure bluffs is worth so much more, you lose $ with c/raises.
June 9, 2013 | 11:05 p.m.
When it's bad to shove with 7bb and blinds go up and you get crap UTG and end up having 2bb (not even your fault) look for a spot where a loose player raises more than 2.5x. This will protect the pot and with the blinds + antes, there is a lot of dead money.
It's so often +EV in chips to get in your 2bb there, say 87hh. What usually happens is that the loose guy will show you KJo and you have 40% equity on a POT you need 25% equity for. Just don't put in your last 2bb in late position with any2, there are so many better spots :)