Yea, I mean, I guess what I'm thinking is actually a valid strategic concern, because if they are calling a lot, we don't really want to see lots of 3w 3b pots OOP with these hands, but getting the reg to fold is ideal.
So squeezing is probably good, unless they are seeing tons of flops, I would probably have to go even tighter to make up for how often we lose postflop.
Oct. 24, 2019 | 3 p.m.
p.s. by uncapped yes, I mean IR flats his continuing range. I don't think 100% of regs do it, but a lot do, myself included. This makes it harder for me because they can peel and distribute some folds at a good frequency while still having big overpairs etc in their range to call down (negating our range advantage somewhat)
Oct. 23, 2019 | 2:29 p.m.
The problem is that if people don't fold to 3bets, I end up in a 3w pot that's like 36bb or so with KQo OOP against both of them. I don't know whether this is good or not.
My pot equity gets reduced (with this hand), my fold equity also gets reduced, so the idea of leaning in either direction makes less sense to me. In other words, if we say, oh they don't fold to cbets, just value bet more, or oh they fold too much to cbets, bluff more, doesn't really work so well multiway; since our pot equity is reduced (less able to value bet) and our fold equity is reduced (less able to bluff).
It sounds nice in practice when somebody says, just go bigger and value bet more etc, but in practice what happens is, I 3bet KQo, get called, flop comes pretty much anything bar Kxx or Qxx, cbet into 2 people, get called, brick and check fold.
Obviously there are times I flop Kx/Qx etc and get some value, and sometimes they fold pre or to cbets, but it's the exception rather than the norm. And I'm just wondering is it easier to flat pre and dominate a lot of worse hands and get value/pick up pots with stabs etc that way?
It's clear these scenarios are greatly simplified but this is what I experience regularly and feel like it's best to start there.
Oct. 23, 2019 | 2:19 p.m.
BB: $17.80 (Hero)
On the other hand, I feel like letting people in with their equity and being OOP against two players sucks a bit, and squeezing would hopefully narrow the field, increase my PE and FE postflop, but they never seem to fold much when I take that approach. I then have to be really careful about cbetting because honestly it feels like I'm lighting money on fire betting into 2 people, especially a fish, on tons of boards.
Overall, just a little confused about how to approach the situation and any help from RIO members would be greatly appreciated.
Oct. 22, 2019 | 3:40 p.m.
Flop size I'd definitely go smaller, 1/3 or so seems good (I'd be thinking about a good size for my overall range. Since we have lots of air and the board is very dry/ranges are inelastic small seems good and then we can size up later if we want)
Turn, personally I would be doing lots of checking. I wouldn't be 2 barreling too much here, and would have lots of SDV I would want to check + over pairs etc and this hand probably doesn't do great at getting 3 streets, so checking turn would be my play.
Check raise is overplaying our hand a bit. I mean, on one hand you might get a sticky villain who just wants to call down, but I feel like they can 1. Check back a lot of stable SDV and 2. Fold a fair amount to turn and river size and still have a really strong range, as long as they aren't betting a ton with the middle/bottom of their range ott.
If I check raise turn, I like the river size since in theory villain probably has to defend more and will call a higher frequency so that leaves more weak hands we beat in his range that want to bluff catch .... hopefully :)
vs a shove I mean, what can we do. We are uncapped, and he is still jamming on us lol so fold is probably good. Don't know how you play the rest of your range though, so not sure what your river calling range is gonna look like here.
Sept. 1, 2019 | 3:15 a.m.
All solvers do is make you play highest EV against perfect opponents. As far as I know, nobody even knows if GTO makes that much money from non GTO players.
If everyone is playing GTO is makes a net sum of zero
CREV is more about exploitative poker
You put in villains strategy and then you pick your own strategy to try and beat villain for as much as possible (have to think about the long term too though and use a throttled exploitative strategy since doing whatever is maximally exploitative in a vacuum will probably cause villain to counter adjust and we may lose EV. Again, very very difficult to quantify all this)
One feature I know is on there that I haven't used yet, is the max exploit tool. You can put your ranges and sizings in and villains, then hit max exploit and it will show you the strategy to maximally counter villain and make the most EV. Really interesting stuff.
Aug. 29, 2019 | 5:37 p.m.
BN: $18.09 (Hero)
Aug. 19, 2019 | 3:54 p.m.
Yea I was wondering what to do with my range here ott. Apart of me now thinks I should have a call only strategy ott?
Like call my Kx, some big Tx, my nutty hands like TT, 99, KT, K9, T9 and fds then just fold wiffs to 3 barrels and decide how much to bluff when he checks?
I mean, I don't think my range is stronger than his, especially since most regs are more linear from SB and tend to do a lot of checking with hands like AA, AK etc ott.
If he was loose enough pre and barreling like crazy I could maybe develop a raising range since the EV of my range will go up when I jam?
Aug. 18, 2019 | 8:01 p.m.
CO: $19.49 (Hero)
Aug. 18, 2019 | 4 p.m.
Well, I appreciate the input from you guys, but at the same time, I don't agree. I don't make 100k/year from poker, I doubt Pete Clarke does either lol I still think RNG is useful
I find myself in a lot of spots where I don't want to bluff 100% of certain combos and need an RNG to properly distribute those combos. Like having 16 combos of AQ ott when I need to bluffing half that etc
I don't think the hands I post are anywhere close to indicative of anyones poker skill and stakes I play are irrelevant. I've played up to $100nl and play lower for various reasons other than skill level.
Aug. 18, 2019 | 2:06 a.m.
Yea I was thinking about just betting bigger and pricing myself in tbh Flop fold feels very counter intuitive to me. I honestly don't really understand PIO lol Did you give villain a range there or is that just playing against any range? Thanks
Aug. 17, 2019 | 1:58 p.m.
It's 99% variance. There will always be spells in poker when you are just not in the right spots range wise.
For eg. Let's say you open and someone flats. How often are you flopping some nut hand? If you look in a tool like flopzilla, you'll see it's a very low % in general (obv depends on ranges and boards etc)
Now, think about how often someone flops something good that is second best to your flopped nutted hand.
It takes a lot of time to get into the right spots and get paid off. That's why you have to be incredibly patient in poker.
It works all kinds of ways too. Ever went through periods of time were you wiff flops forever, get barreled every hand, all in vs AA with KK 5 times in 1 session? etc etc etc
All variance and takes a lot of time to converge. Just keep thinking it through, going for value and over time it will start to pay off.
Also consider what Samu Patronen said. When people are nitty af you can bluff more, but make sure to consider range composition and the best hands to use etc
Aug. 16, 2019 | 12:37 a.m.
Well, first of all, I don't really understand pre. Why not just flat IP and take a flop? Why call his 4bet?
Anyway, think you should bluff this, I mean what other bluffs you gonna have?
Not sure what villain has, maybe some weird Axs or something, doesn't make any sense to check a strong hand here ott, unless he thinks you will vbet anything that's calling or something, I don't know lol
Another thing is, what is your pf calling range that gets to river like this. Don't think we need to range check IP, might be ok and just bet turn and river nutted with some bluffs and play slower with middle of our range
Aug. 16, 2019 | 12:31 a.m.
I'm just sticking this in. He can have anything really lol. Lots of overplayed 9x, random lines with 6x that think we are bluffing, rarely a draw as fish will just call the raise and try to hit a lot of the time and then decide they want to bluff later.
Good point about A9 being a better hand than TT Kruzer20
Aug. 15, 2019 | 11:27 p.m.
Well, I see your logic here.
Pre, I don't know. I think calling is my go to very often because I don't know how great it is to flat his 4b with 67s, but I can understand the logic, since we want board coverage both when he flats and 4bets us, so yea
Anyway, as played, I don't think you should be range checking flop. This is your board as far as I can see. They should be range checking themselves, so I like checking this back as we don't wanna get check raised, but we could consider going for 3 bigish barrels and using this as a bluff? Although it has sdv vs Ax, can improve vs overpairs that might xr etc so could be better to xb and bet draws with less sdv (although the sdv isn't super stable so ...)
When you xb, call turn and raise river, I think you look sort of fos. In my eyes you should be betting the top of your range otf (GTO you should be too), turn you should raise the small size for value and protection with something good, so river it's like you have some pair trying to make AK fold or something, which is actually what you're trying to do lol
Either regs will talk themselves into calling, or not think about it and call. Very few players will bet/fold AK, and it's not something you need to do to make money
If you want to do this, I would just consider, is this how I'm playing my range? If yes, should I be playing my range like this? And if yes, how does that make villains play? How is his strategy Vs us in this spot? Etc
Aug. 15, 2019 | 11:18 p.m.
I'd consider flop xb
Their cold call range is gonna be very strong and we don't really wanna play for 3 streets or get check raised
As played folding seems good since it will be closer to the bottom of our range but still not great
Aug. 15, 2019 | 11:09 p.m.
I like it. Sometimes I might bet this just because we can always continue facing action so if they wanna bluff and get agro we can hold strong
As played Q definitely hits them fairly well so just checking looks good. I'd prob go for a sigh call Vs river bet tbh
Aug. 15, 2019 | 11:05 p.m.
Think it was 400/500 hands. I would definitely 4bet him wider, with like ATo/KJo or Axs or something, but I think we can flat this and other stuff and have a higher EV strategy that way. Like we can call and make money and 4b more and make money too right?
Aug. 15, 2019 | 4:49 p.m.
I can understand that approach, but personally I strive to be tougher to play. Because of that, I'm gonna need a turn bluffing range to go with my value bets.
That being said, I definitely lean towards a value heavy range given the populations tendencies to call a lot (to be honest I doubt it's good anywhere as a rule of thumb in terms of stake, to be bluff heavy unless it's a very specific spot but I might be wrong).
In this spot I'm thinking, I block AK/AQ combos which are villains best hands, and this means he leans more toward hands like JJ-88 that tend to flat pre here (maybe a little wider, sometimes with QQ etc) and I need to be barrelling something so i don't just have the nuts every time I bet, so this makes sense to put in my range for betting. I can hit K/Qx on river to beat those pairs I'm tryna make fold too.
I was wondering if anyone thought maybe other combos were better to bet, or what do they think about the sizing. I went for this size since it looks more like I'd value bet AQ/AJ this size and hands like JJ-88 etc would be in a tougher spot.