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Comment | Samu Patronen commented on Onklebs 2020

April 26, 2020 | 2:18 p.m.

Yeah the idea is to call if villain shoves. It gets marginal againts nits but in general JJ is strong enough BvB.

April 26, 2020 | 1:48 a.m.

Probably a fold on the flop. We're 4-way with two players left to act after our call so realizing enough equity without a really good hand feels hard.

April 25, 2020 | 4:26 p.m.

Seems alright, it's hard for BTN to come up with enough bluffs on the river and we're not getting that good of a price to call.

April 25, 2020 | 11:02 a.m.

I would just 4bet preflop, JJ should be strong enough, TT is closer and can go both ways.

Rest is fine. Turn fold is somewhat conservative but I'm fine with it.

April 25, 2020 | 11 a.m.

Your line seems fine although you can bet the river bigger. Given the action our hand is going to be the best vast majority of the time, so betting is not that thin. I would just go for a 2/3-3/4 betsize.

April 25, 2020 | 10:57 a.m.

Preflop 3bet is fine with QdJd but I would actually fold it to a 4bet; despite decent odds we just don't get to play very many hands profitably from this formation due to villains 4betting range being strong and him being IP.

Betting the turn is fine but I would use a smaller sizing. Making villain fold AK is not trivial since it has 6 outs againts our hand so betting 1/4-1/3 seems fine, half pot is a little too much I would say.

April 25, 2020 | 10:54 a.m.

April 25, 2020 | 10:48 a.m.

Yeah I would play more passively on the flop and on the turn, our hand is not that exciting and we're not going to have an advantage againts a tight IP calling range.

I also dislike river sizing, I would go for a smaller one given how equal your ranges are (both players have a lot of straights and flushes so we ought to not polarize heavily). As played I would advocate folding to a raise, your line is very strong and villain shoves anyways, meaning that he probably has a flush.

April 25, 2020 | 5:27 a.m.

I would bet bigger on the river. As played I feel like we should just call the shove, villain is not repping stuff very credibly and our river bet may look weak to our opponent.

April 25, 2020 | 5:20 a.m.

Comment | Samu Patronen commented on Preflop Ranges

In what situations?

April 25, 2020 | 5:18 a.m.

Comment | Samu Patronen commented on Using a RNG

I would start from the hud thing, using a randomizer will become relevant much later.

April 25, 2020 | 5:14 a.m.

Fold to a raise on the river when your hand is good but not great. Most players are passive so your better off giving respect when you get raised, especially on the river.

March 21, 2020 | 11:03 p.m.

Comment | Samu Patronen commented on BTN Vs BB

Getting it in seems fine by me.

March 18, 2020 | 10:51 p.m.

The runout is excellent for your range, because your range is disproportionately geared towards lower cards whereas your opponents range is going to have more high cards that aren't connecting to this runout. That in mind I like the river shove. What comes to constructing your strategy on earlier streets, low cards are generally playing more aggressive than higher cards, so stuff like combo draws and pair+draw are raising often.

March 18, 2020 | 12:22 a.m.

Feb. 28, 2020 | 3:17 p.m.

What does it mean in "theory"? Which "theory"?

Game theory

Where can I study this "theory"? PIO gives only a results. I want to know the logic of the "theory". Thanks!

The logic of game theory, or more specifically the logic of Nash Equilibrium, is that there is a perfect strategy for competitive games involving two or more players, and by following that strategy, there is nothing that your opponents could do to improve their expected value.

The logic of this theory is too vast to understand directly, but what we can do is work with solvers such as PIO to understand it better. "Only a result" seems like an underestimation of solver work, because seeing multiple "results" across all kinds of different situations is by far the best way to learn the "logic" of nash equilibrium in poker.

Feb. 27, 2020 | 6:22 p.m.

Oh right, it's NL50. But it still says that the pot is 84 dollars on the river and shove is 25 dollars, I think it's 25 dollars into a pot of 42 dollars?

Feb. 22, 2020 | 7:15 p.m.

Stack sizes are confusing, how is villain shoving only 25 dollars on the river when he started the hand with 125?

Feb. 22, 2020 | 6:06 p.m.

Calling is fine againts the raise too I suppose. I just dont think it matters a ton, in fact I feel like not allowing villain to find some check/folds on club turns is more important than allowing villain to bluff turns. The main thing is that there's not much left behind and we're not folding on any turn really.

What comes to flop strategy, I honestly have no idea how to play 5way pots. The optimal strategy would probably include a lot of checking overall, but our hand is kinda good againts people who do terrible mistakes on the flop againts a bet. For example Jx without a club is probably folding a lot againts even a small bet, especially not closing the action.

Feb. 22, 2020 | 5:43 p.m.

If you get called by multiple players like this often, I would increase my sizing preflop until I start getting some folds. We don't really want to play 5 way pot here. My rule here would be that if you're never winning the pot preflop, your sizing is too small.

I think we just get it in with our hand againts a recreational. SPR is only a bit over 2.

Feb. 22, 2020 | 2:09 p.m.

Not really I guess, I don't have a sense of which approach would be better exploitatively and I don't really randomize my decisions in general because I don't play tough and small pools where that would be required, so I just go with whatever I feel like doing at the moment. I guess AQ with the Qd would have a little bit more incentive to go small because that hand blocks hands that we sort of prefer to go big againts.

Feb. 21, 2020 | 7:36 p.m.

Both options seem fine to me, I don't think it matters a great deal.

Feb. 21, 2020 | 6:54 p.m.

Againts a potsize bet your MDF is 50%, that is how much your calling range is supposed to be to prevent villain from bluffing any two cards. That said, this line is extremely strong in practice so I would be looking to fold at some point. River would certainly be a fold for me.

Feb. 21, 2020 | 12:08 a.m.

Warms your heart to see that at high stakes, doesn't it.

Feb. 20, 2020 | 3:30 p.m.

I know that MDF doesn't apply in a lot of spots , but i read/saw somewhere from a coach comment/live play (unsure where) that the PRF should almost always meet MDF on the river vs a lead if he has the range advantage and has option to check/ cbet on the turn

I just solved this myself, OOP has 63% equity on the river, so the IP does not have a range advantage. IP is indeed betting turn with most made hands and checking a lot with non-made hands, whereas OOP is going to be folding a lot of crap on the flop and therefore his range ends up being stronger on the river.

Feb. 20, 2020 | 3:26 p.m.

Comment | Samu Patronen commented on The live "bully"

These people taking issue with you don't really sound like people I would care to associate with anyways, but I get that it doesn't feel nice to provoke such feelings on other people, despite how irrational those reactions are.

but I also feel like I'm purposefully separating myself from the rest of the players

It's important to realize that to become the best player at the table, you are separating yourself from other players in that process. Not only you get better as a poker player, but approaching the game from a purely rational point of view is also going to separate you from most people, especially the types of people who have to do meditation in order to deal with the fact that you're doing your best to win at a game where the goal is to try to win the money.

Pretty interesting issue though, I'd love to hear any similar stories about live poker getting personal like this, I have virtually no experience on this front because I don't play live poker at all.

Feb. 20, 2020 | 3:08 p.m.

Comment | Samu Patronen commented on Bet Success Freq

I feel like a lot of people don't realize this, because I see most small stakes players playing multiway spots very wrong. The biggest problem seems to be not adjusting to the multiway dynamic at all and just playing kinda similarly than you would if it was heads-up. Heads-up you have an average of 50% potshare, 3way the average is 33%. That has a big impact on how your strategy is supposed to look like.

Feb. 19, 2020 | 3:59 p.m.

Comment | Samu Patronen commented on Bet Success Freq

Feb. 19, 2020 | 3:48 p.m.

I would bet really tiny just to put some pressure on crappy hands like QJ. With this SPR I would also call if he shoves and also do some check turn call river lines, depending on his fold to flop cbet stat and maybe some aggression stats. Really important to know whether we're up againts a maniac or more of a fit fold type, and it seems like you had a decent sample on him.

Feb. 17, 2020 | 10:39 p.m.

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