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Samu Patronen

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There's probably not a big difference in terms of general tendencies, except that there are obviously players who have beat NL2 and are trying to move up, so it gets a little bit more competitive, but most like it's not as different as you make it up to be (due to moving up anxiety).

Keep studying and playing and you'll get used to it, that's pretty much all there is to it.

Sept. 17, 2018 | 4:24 p.m.

I'm not folding. It could be AT for value and honestly there's some volatility in his line since he doesn't seem to want to put all the money in...

Sept. 17, 2018 | 2:52 p.m.

I would put in a raise at some point, villains line doesn't seem all that strong and there's value to be had againts worse pairs. Not sure where though, there are arguments for passive and aggressive line on all the streets postflop I would say.

Sept. 16, 2018 | 7:03 p.m.

Yeah I'm not sure about the flop raise either. You're deeper than 100bb and villain is cbetting into 3 people (less likely to both cbet AK/AQ and to lose a lot of money with these hands). That leaves us with a really strong range and so we're not all that excited to get the money in.

Sept. 16, 2018 | 7 p.m.

We can't just assume that villain has a fullhouse, we'd need to be againts a really specific type of opponent. Qx as well as worse flushes are very possible for villain to have here, might even have a bluff occasionally.

Sept. 16, 2018 | 6:31 p.m.

Pretty tough spot. I don't think I would be able to fold a hand this good if I had any reason to assume volatility from my opponent. This being NL5 might be a good enough reason in and off itself, although I don't know exactly how spewy the games are. I'd guess they're quite spewy because "it's only 5 bucks, dude".

Sept. 16, 2018 | 6:09 p.m.

I would bet either smaller or bigger on the river. The way I would guess this spot works in theory is that you have a subset of thin valuebets that benefit from blocking (hands like QQ/JJ) and then you have some nutted hands like sets that benefit from going bigger. 18 into 29 seems like a middle ground that doesn't really benefit any part of your range.

This comment is highly speculative, I might be off here. I'd love to hear opinions.

Sept. 16, 2018 | 6:02 p.m.

These spots are pretty tricky to play because the optimal strategy involves a lot of mixing and simplifying your strategy is harder than in many other spots. In theory SB ends up cbetting probably something like 50% of the time and checking 50% of the time and doing so with almost all the hands (more often with good hands, virtually never with really weak stuff, but still highly mixed with most/all hands).

There's not that much incentive to bet over checking or check over betting with most hands, so I don't really have an answer as to what you should be doing. What you should do is tied to what you think is going to happen in the hand as a whole:

  • Can you get three streets of value by bet/bet/betting?
  • How does villain play againts checks (a lot of bluffs, faceup check ranges etc..)
  • What line makes your life easier on later streets
  • etc...

This might not be super helpful, maybe someone else has some more practical advice. :P

Sept. 16, 2018 | 5:58 p.m.

Well played. Folding is out of the question because you could be blocking value (AJ, even AhTh is possible). 44 and 22 are obviously the most likely hands villain has here, but you need to win less than 30% of the time. I'm not confident enough about villains strategy to make a fold this big.

Sept. 16, 2018 | 5:42 p.m.


1) Snowie preflop advisor is a solid starting point. Following it religiously is better than having nothing to guide your decisions, but it's not perfect. It's pretty good though. 3bet/fold strategy is a pretty good starting point aswell, but once you have recreational players behind, not having a flatting range is probably a pretty large mistake since you want to play pots againts fishes. And if you have some really aggressive regulars behind you, then you don't really want to flat anything (except maybe some premium range).

2) 3bet/fold strategy is a valid one when being IP with players to act behind you. By 3betting your entire continuing range you make your strategy really simple which is a major advantage since you aren't opening yourself up for exploits (maybe if you have a too face-up flat range etc) and you save some mental energy by using a simpler strategy. And what comes to merging, the line between bluffs and value hands is really blurry preflop. When you get to the "bluff section" of your range, you find that 3betting is no longer profitable in theory, therefore you can't follow the traditional "bluff and value" way of thinking preflop. Polarizing requires "bluffs".

3) Yeah, in game it's mostly about the approximation of equity and realization. Again, the preflop advisor is a decent starting point.

4) The simple answer to this question doesn't exist, atleast I'm not aware of it. How you learn to be better at approximating the amount of realization you have is by gaining experience and studying (with solvers). Your intuition gets better the more you study the game and how different ranges play out againts each other.

Sept. 16, 2018 | 5:37 p.m.

As far as I know, cbetting 100% in heads-up is not as good as it is in 6max, because equities tend to run closer. Heads-up ranges are supposed to be much wider than 6max ranges (in 6max you open like 40-50% of buttons, in heads-up you open 80%+)

BTN edge in heads-up is smaller than BTN edge in 6max because in heads-up button is way wider (only one player behind instead of two)

Sept. 15, 2018 | 5:47 p.m.

Having a bath in a bathtub full of cash if I had to guess.

I don't know, he does produce videos regularly so he's not missing or anything. :P

Sept. 15, 2018 | 5:08 p.m.

Oh wow. Better that way. :D

Sept. 14, 2018 | 2:37 p.m.

Moved this to beats & brags section.

Sick one though. You have something like 18% chance of losing the first one. For the second one you'd have to factor in the blockers from the first flop. It's something like 10% approximately, so it's 0,18 x 0,10. So you lose both around 1,8% of the time.

Sept. 14, 2018 | 2:17 a.m.

Preflop seems fine but I'd probably fold to 2,5x or something.

I dont have raising range otf

Why not?

River is probably just a fold, you don't really beat value and villain has so many flushes and not much air to bluff with.

Sept. 13, 2018 | 7:58 p.m.

Yeah I'm not sure about the turn or the river sizes either. The problem is that villain is nowhere near capped, so increasing our size shouldn't add EV to our bets and might decrease it.

Sept. 12, 2018 | 4:22 p.m.

Just fold to a raise. The guy is 18/13 so he is probably not the type who does creative bluffs very often. He reps a set as well as some overpairs and perhaps even some worse pairs that he decides to raise with.

I would also consider checking the flop. Villain is really tight so I wouldn't expect a crazy amount of fold equity. Besides, you beat hands like AQ/KQ and you don't need very much protection againts those anyway.

Sept. 7, 2018 | 5:26 p.m.

Yeah, you can also record with it. I use it for that purpose only and I've had no problems with it.

Sept. 5, 2018 | 8:09 p.m.

You should include all the sizings and all the positions, all those things matter.

In first hand, it seems that you bet 14 into 23. I would bet bigger in order to shove the river for value. Basically I'd like to be able to put all the money in myself so that we don't miss value from villains bluffcatchers. Besides, I'd say that the turn spot is one where villains calling range is very inelastic anyways (call Ax/good enough draws and fold rest), so we really prefer a bigger bet with value. I'd bet something like 75-125% of the pot.

Sept. 3, 2018 | 12:43 p.m.

River is probably just a shove againts KK/QQ/Jx. Straights are actually really rare given the action and sets could also play fast on earlier streets, so you mostly lose to JT and TT. As played we can't fold since villain could easily valueshove KK/QQ or bluff with clubs.

Aug. 30, 2018 | 6:10 p.m.

Comment | Samu Patronen commented on Punt?

Just the fact that we're up againts a fish and he is doing a strong line should stop us from bluffing ever. I just don't think that we can read anything other than strenght from villains line without any additional information.

Aug. 27, 2018 | 3:43 p.m.

The easiest effective way to play this spot would be to cbet your entire range for 1/3 on the flop, that's an easy and effective strategy at the same time.

as I like to c-bet way too much.

How are you quantifying "too much"?

This is a strategy that piosolver would use, I gave IP the option to bet either 33% or 50%:

As you can see, a highly mixed strategy with literally every hand doing betting and checking at some frequency, using 33% sizing. Overall betting frequency is about 70%.

I tend to just default to cbetting 100% in this spot since people aren't that good at defending in general. And that makes my life a lot easier.

Aug. 27, 2018 | 3:11 p.m.

Comment | Samu Patronen commented on Call or fold?

Fold pre, AQo is really not a great hand againts a tight IP 3betting range.

And don't 3bet KQo/AJo UTG vs. MP, that's almost certainly too loose. Even AQo is meh.

Aug. 27, 2018 | 2:27 a.m.

Interesting spot. It's certainly true that CO lacks good hands, it hardly makes sense to raise valuehands that beat us, so this line looks pretty bluffy/mergy overall. I guess our turn decision comes down to how often we think villain has Jx compared to (low equity) bluffs. Villain could pick some flushdraws on the turn and those would be the most sensible hands to bluff with on the turn, so we could make the assumption that villains bluffing range has decent equity, which would favor raising.

Leading the river is an interesting idea, but I don't think there are enough benefits for that compared to just raising the turn. In another words, it's a bit of a stretch to imagine a scenario where calling turn and leading river outperforms raising the turn or just calling the turn and checking the river.

Quite a unique spot. I think I like raising unless villain has decent amount of low-equity bluff or capable of overplaying Jx on the river.

Aug. 27, 2018 | 2:24 a.m.

I'm pretty sure that UTG range has more equity than BB on this board. But that's sort of beside the point; betting itself is fine on the flop, and againts a minraise there are very few hands that I'd fold, mainly stuff like Ac2c. Even any two overcards are pretty close with the odds we're getting.

I would not think about flop spots in terms of having 2 bluffs and 1 value, that's sort of an outdated way of thinking about it. Things aren't as black and white on the flop as "bluffs and value". There are hands that have certain equity againts certain ranges and pushing equity and getting protection is a pretty big deal. Flop spots don't work like river spots where it's black and white in terms of bluffs and value. Every hand has either 100% equity or 0% equity in most cases, sometimes 50%. Things are far from it on the flop.

Aug. 27, 2018 | 2:15 a.m.

I'd either bet small(er) on the flop or check.

Not exactly sure what to make of this calldown. The runout is honestly quite great for bluffcatching compared to most other runouts, so that would favor calling down. That said I'm not sure if I'm confident enough to calldown a hand as weak as this. I would probably just fold this on the turn since the hand is quite weak in the context of our overall range and villain could easily merge with some Tx.

Aug. 26, 2018 | 6:14 p.m.

I'm folding, there aren't very many draws that villain could have so basically we'd have to assume hands like 99 or some quite weak bluffs in order for us to make this call.

Aug. 26, 2018 | 4:54 p.m.

Just shove the turn. You're opponents are probably not very competent players so I'd expect to get called by whatever. It's only SPR of 1 on the turn.

Aug. 26, 2018 | 4:52 p.m.

It's certainly +EV, but likely not the highest EV option in my estimation.

Aug. 26, 2018 | 2:02 a.m.

I'm just folding the flop. To me it seems way too assumptive to assume that we can make villain fold everything that isn't nuts by the river. You should probably expect to see fair amount of calldowns from some overpairs and top pairs. Besides, our hand is just extremely weak for bluffing, so there's no reason to do anything with this hand from a theoretical perspective.

Just because you'd give a lot of respect to your line, doesn't mean that your opponent will. Especially at low stakes.

Aug. 25, 2018 | 6:50 p.m.

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