May 15, 2013 | 12:38 p.m.
haha I'm railing him playing 12 hu 10k plo tables against 4 different reg opponents right now. I don't really understand the logic at all and I also can't understand how he is winning every day lately doing these things. There is something to be said for giving good action and not bum hunting. And I know you can get a good rush by playing a little over your head, but I can't believe anyone could be making money doing stuff like this.
May 13, 2013 | 3:46 a.m.
I just need some quick advice. I am lucky enough to have stumbled into a cool situation which is gunna allow me to pick the brain of and get some free coaching from a pretty high profile guy who I think I could learn a ton from. However, I don't know if it will be for 1 coaching session or 10 so I want to make sure I get as much out of it as possible while it lasts. I would like some advice from you guys about what kinds of things I should ask him and what kind of session reviews or sweats I should do that would help me get the most out of it. I have never had coaching of any kind so I'm really not sure what to expect. For those of you that have had coaching or been coaches in the past, what kind of stuff worked the best for you?
Thanks in advance for any help!
May 9, 2013 | 6:39 p.m.
BB: $30.50 (Hero)
HJ folds, CO folds, BN calls $0.25, SB raises to $1, Hero raises to $2.50, BN calls $2.25, SB calls $1.50
April 22, 2013 | 9:53 p.m.
April 19, 2013 | 4:03 a.m.
Another thing you can do is just sit the games and play like a mega nit for like 200 hands or something. Only play TT-AA, AQs, AK. If someone plays back at you in anyway and you don't feel positive you have the best hand, then just fold. You give up some EV for sure, but you only lose 7bbs if someone raises a cbet or something. By the end of the 200 hands you will prolly be down like 1/4 bi or something assuming you don't stack anybody. But you can take that time to just watch the action. I promise you will realize that the guys playing 25nl are really no better than the guys playing 10nl. Then after 200 hands, start to open your range slowly. The next couple of circuits add some hands like flatting with 66-99, AT-AQ, 9Ts-KQs. Just add in a few of these hands at a time. By the end of a 1k hand session you will be playing your standard game and all you really had to give up to get there was playing nitty for a session.
April 19, 2013 | 3:58 a.m.
April 19, 2013 | 2:46 a.m.
Also, I think one thing to note is that if he is a decent to good player, he will have very few combos of JJ in his CO opening range as well as few combos of J7 and 7's with good kickers as these hands are not very well connected. Ofc it is always possible that he has A876 type hands but could even be potentially slowing up on the turn or at least making a small bet size so as not to overrep his hand and blow worse 7's out of the hand when he does have naked 7 combos.
If he is a bad player, then it is possible he has all those combos that make better hands, but could also be doing this with a million other hands.
Either way, I think this makes it a call. If you are folding here then think how narrow your continuing range is vs a turn cbet. basically you're only continuing with full houses and A7 maybe. That means you're folding like 90% of your cbet calling range here, making you mega exploitable. Cause you will fold any 7 except A7, any over pair, any J+gs, any float and any naked J, assuming you call with like AQJ9 or something vs his cbet. That's almost your whole range as you will rarely have JJ or J7 here calling oop vs a CO open.
April 18, 2013 | 8:54 p.m.
April 18, 2013 | 1:46 p.m.
April 18, 2013 | 1:21 p.m.
Zenfish: You're right, I think I often get caught up on the idea of being the aggressor and not just how to make the most money. I think you hear so often how important it is to be aggressive and pushing every edge right to the verge of spewy. I sometimes get in my head that if I simply play tighter and more aggressive than everyone else, over time the money will accumulate in my corner. I'm starting to realize that putting pressure on you're opponents doesn't really work if they don't feel any pressure. Therefore, it is probably a big leak to be 3betting a hand that plays better flatted or raising a hand that plays better limping behind, just for the sake of being aggressive.
Tom: 1. I do think that in these games I am playing too loose from UTG. I sometimes get in a bad habit of seeing a hand and raising it because thats what I normally do, without even taking time look at who else is at the table. This is especially a big leak with hands on the edge of my opening range and something I need to be more aware of.
2. Kinda already addressed this, but I could prolly play more hands cheaply. These guys will put the money in post-flop with weak hands, so why build pots pre and take away my own edge with less post-flop play? Should spend my money smarter by playing more hands at a cheaper price. I will still be miles ahead of their ranges and have lots of postflop play IP to exploit them.
3. I fold to about 50% of 3bets. I assume you think I fold to much less than that based on your post, but I could be wrong? Is 50% too much or too little in your opinion?
4. This is something I've been working on a lot. I knew I wasn't value betting enough after about a week of play at 4pl. This seems to be a big issue for lots of micro players and I am still working on finding the right value bet/check back balance. However, I have opened my value betting range a lot and feel like it's closer to a strenght of my game rather than one of the many weaknesses. This is especially true in these really soft games where you know they will not be bluff raising ever. Since our opponents will all have this leak, we can also assume that river raises are never thin and can pretty much fold to them with anything but the nuts most times. All that makes me feel very comfortable betting for thin value, especially on the river.
jonna: This is all good advice. I do need to think about the game more like your post and less like and Isildur1 article. I should know by now that I can't run over every game and need to adjust more dramatically to dramatically different games. I should prolly just drop the idea of isolation in these realllllly loose passive games and just play more solid post-flop. I get really bored playing this way, but that doesn't mean it's not best.
April 18, 2013 | 1:01 p.m.
Also should I be looking to put some more distance between my EP ranges compared to my LP raises? For example, I play somewhere in the range of 12/12 from UTG and 32/26 from the BTN. Should my UTG be even more nitty, like 8/8 since I will be playing almost every pot multi-way oop and my BTN be more in the area of 35/20? I feel like I'm playing bad every time I limp cause it feels so gross, but it seems like limping suited aces, 99-QQ and T975ds stuff might be a better option than raising or folding.
April 17, 2013 | 2:48 a.m.
When I first started playing a couple months ago, I was playing very nitty. However, I worked hard to open my game up and become much more aggressive in position. I raised my 3bet from 3% to 12% and my vpip/pfr from 16/12 to about 26/22 and this worked out quite well against the reg-fish that mostly make up 4pl and 10pl.
Now I am finding myself in some games where every other player at the table plays something in the (60-80)/(10-20) range. I am now having some trouble as I can no longer iso, 3bet light or play heads up pots, which is where my bread and butter was coming from. I know it sounds silly in a way to ask how to beat a table full of fish, but what are the best adjustments to make for this situation?
As an extreme example, pretend you're at a table where every other player will only limp or fold, and only raise aces. If you raise, they will always call or fold, never 3bet, except with aces. You're opponents are playing 75% of their hands. You ofc have the option to raise, limp or fold.
What kind of ranges would you be playing in this situation? Whats the bottom of your opening range from each position? If you have 3 limpers in front of you and you have the button, what kinds of hands will you open, knowing it will almost never be heads up and usually never 3 handed either? Would you open your limping behind range a lot?
I'm sorry this is a long post but I need some help! There is a ton of money to take from these fishies!
April 17, 2013 | 1:14 a.m.
Just curious, have you noticed any difference in the amount of times you get cold called when 3betting smaller as compared to larger? I would think this would effect the decision somewhat.
Also it seems like against some opponents that it would be majorly beneficial to 3bet smaller while against others it would be the opposite.
For an extreme example, let's assume someone is opening 50% of their hands and 4betting almost every time they are 3bet. Well, it seems like the best approach against this person would be to tighten up our 3betting range and then just 5bet them every time. In this case, it would be best to be 3betting pot.
Ofc, as we move to the other side of the spectrum, where you talk about guys only opening 8% and only 4betting AAxx, our best play would be to 3bet smaller and force them to play some post flop.
It seems to me that if we pot 3bet against the first guy every time and only 2.75x vs the second guy every time, we are really not exploitable because they can't assign a hand range to our different sizings. Plus, as an added benefit, we will look even more balanced to other players since we might show up with AAQJds one time after potting and then the very same hand the next time after only 3xing. They would have to have quite a bit of play time with us before they realized our sizing was player dependent, especially at micros. And even if they did know what was going on, they would really have to change their game plan to adjust to our sizings, which no one at the micros is going to do.
Ofc, these are extreme examples, but it seems like every player falls somewhere inbetween and the closer they are to one side or the other might make it better to decide to pot or only 2.75x.
That being said, these are things that I really only thought about while watching the video. I actually 3x my 3bets every time so don't think I'm disagreeing. Just thinking lol
April 11, 2013 | 11:49 p.m.
Would you be calling the 4bet if the Ad was a Th?
and what about if the 6c was an 8s?
if no, then what about a 8h?
March 5, 2013 | 10:55 p.m.
HJ: $10 (Hero)
UTG raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1, CO folds, BN folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG raises to $3.15, Hero calls $2.15
March 5, 2013 | 9:56 p.m.
If he is thinking he will know it's very hard for you to have a J because you're not c/r many J's on a paired board ott. Since he has a 7 a lot of the time it's also hard for you to have a 7 just based on combinatorics *sp.
I guess the upside here is the good river bet sizing which could look like a thin value bet on the river. Since most of his 3betting range pre that has a 7 in it is made up of rundowny type hands, its likely he has a bad kicker with it and with him being a nit, he might give it up since you're repping a better 7 and seem to be trying to get value out of 789 or 678.
If he's not thinking, I guess he will sometimes say "if he has a J I'm losing so I better fold, which is nice too.
Overall, I think it is a bit spewy since you're basically trying to force him to fold trips quite often. I think the turn raise is ok, but once he calls, I would prolly give up on the river unless you think hes pretty dense.
March 4, 2013 | 9:17 p.m.
I do have to say that I think I like just 3x raising pre instead of potting. If were not thinning the field either way, then we can save a little money but still make a pot big enough to make a good sized cbet and therefore turn bet when we flop a fd or set and want to get it in.
March 4, 2013 | 8:18 p.m.
March 4, 2013 | 8:10 p.m.
SB: $24.31 (Hero)
UTG folds, HJ calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BN calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks
March 4, 2013 | 7:17 a.m.
March 4, 2013 | 4:37 a.m.
BB: $46.92 (Hero)
UTG calls $0.10, HJ folds, CO checks, BN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.60, UTG calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, BN calls $0.50, SB folds