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Onkleb

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Yes i totally understand your point of view and its probably balanced than mine.

What i tried to say is that if i make 500z my goal i will commit to put in big enough sample to "proof" if i can beat the stake or not. What is good enough sample and wr is debatable but im pretty sure you get my point. Also if you havent followed my journey moving up in stakes has been one of my biggest challenges.

Also my graph in op is over 50% 100z, so wr at 200z is 7bb or lower, so nothing crazy.

Thanks for the support and I'll try to come up with more thought out answer when i get back home.

March 14, 2019 | 8:47 a.m.

Win small pots and lose big is my core strategy :)

March 14, 2019 | 6 a.m.

For really basic stuff, like preflop and very frequent postflop stuff own database is enough. For more spesific spots and different boards runouts etc you need larger database. So in database research bigger is almost always better.

Hmm i dont really see poker like that. Lets say i take a shot and play 50k hands 500z and win 10bb/100. Does that really tell anything about if im able to beat those games or not? Imo it tells nothing. If i decide to move to 500z i will make it a clear goal of mine and really put my full effort into it. Instead of just taking a shot and hoping something good comes out of it.

Sorry about messy answer, from pool with phone and very little thinking :)

March 14, 2019 | 5:59 a.m.

Some update before a long break :
STAKES GRAPH

Results from the last two months. Nothing special really, but at least i managed to book some EVdollars. Somehow i feel a bit disappointed even though results are reasonable when taking variance into consideration. I have been changing my game a bit which shows in occasional spews and misplays. But thats totally understandable and part of the learning process.

I didnt got anything special to say, just wanted to share results so far before heading to Thailand. While being there im hoping to find direction where to head next in terms of poker. Whether to try to move up quickly or put descent volume in at 200z.

Feb. 24, 2019 | 8:48 p.m.

Suffered a bad beat few days ago. My computer broke and last few days ive been spending on trying to get it work and installing everything back again. Really frustrating since whole weeks playing schedule and rhythm went totally off. Today i was finally able to get session in and trying to get back into poker routines. Funny that i feel a bit angry to myself for falling back from my volume goal, even though this time it wasnt my fault.

Was able to test out RIOpoker yesterday. Overall really pleasant experience. Playing was really fun and easy to see that it could attract a lot of funplayers (if they somehow stumble to the site). Splash pots are also really nice way to offer rb. Also super +EV if you really know how to play those spots.

Feb. 8, 2019 | 12:24 p.m.

Kinda hard to do even a month update when you arent checking the results. Well i played 51k hands which is a bit under my volume goal. But nothing alarming. Been studying a lot and i have been very open for changing my game. I noticed that last few month at the end of 2018 i basically just played and didnt really focus on improving my game. Of course it more a challenge trying to improve, but on the long run it will pay off for sure. Now it sometimes feels that im just spewing around, even though i know some spot is +EV in a long run. Especially bluffcathcing in new spots can be really mentally taxing, given how often you are still wrong in those spots. What i mean is that in almost all bluffcatch spots you call and expect to lose very very often (60%+). So when you have spot that is still new and a bit unclear for you and then you bluffcatch it five times and lose all of them you can easily start to question is this spewing or not. Even though you know it will be +EV in the long run.

For February goal is to play 54k hands before 25.2 Then im off to Thailand for 3,5weeks and on that time my goal is to have zero poker content in my life. Not like i would be burnt out or anything, just that my mind is really able to reset and recharge for the rest of the year. But until that, lets keep good poker routines going. (:

edit. Remember to put some hands in at riopoker starting from tomorrow. I missed the betatesting so im really pumped to see what they have come up with. See you guys there!

Feb. 5, 2019 | 10:05 a.m.

gambler91 :

ChaoRen123 nailed it basically. If you are just starting out focus more on very general stuff. As you progress you can look into more and more subtle spots, such as boards, runouts, sizings, player profils etc. Sometimes when i play i have a thought / feeling that some specific spot might be worth looking into. Then i just mark the spot and review it later w hand2note to see if my gut feeling was true or false.

Feb. 5, 2019 | 9:46 a.m.

Congratulations!

Feb. 3, 2019 | 10:48 p.m.

D M

I have had two coaching sessions with a student that speaks Finnish. Other than that no.

Hova

About AT: Basically was planning to bluff some rivers after turn raise. However on blank river villain can easily end up overbluffing, since hes valuerange is super narrow and pool sucks at valuebetting.

Jan. 27, 2019 | 3:01 p.m.

Jan. 26, 2019 | 9:49 a.m.

gambler91

Im having trouble coming up with anything to share. Im just following my plan and trying to execute that as well as I can. Trying to keep playing, studying and other stuff in balance. And so far, I feel it’s going pretty nice. I have quite well-established playing and studying routines, what helps to free time for other activities. Also I have been able to add meditation to my evening pre game warm-up, which helps me tremendously to get into playing mood. I have had troubles with finding motivation to play on evenings and short meditation really helps with that. You really should try that you if you haven’t already. But in big picture nothing interesting really. Feels like I started to run a bit better, but longer perspective I have less it really matters. For me not knowing the results and knowledge that im not going to see them before 31.3 has really helped to shift my focus really away from day to day variance and mistakes.

I different node, I stumbled on this pretty interesting conversation w Nick Howard and some of hes potential student : link

For those who aren’t going to watch it, guy is talking about how he is unclear what to study and how in order to get the results he wants. This really resonated with me since a lot of stuff I hear from poker community is really in my opinion just feudal. This fixation to make the game as complex as possible because that’s what Piosolver does. Somehow some people think that if they just manage to balance these two cbet sizes they are doing to crush the field. I mean wtf. Seems like part of poker players don’t really understand where EV really comes from. Most of the EV (at least on games I play) comes from when people deviate massively from equilibrium. Of course, there are so many ways to deviate; overfolding, overcalling, overbluffing, defending only by calling etc etc. And whether people do that knowingly or not, it really doesn’t matter. What matters is that you are able to recognize those spots, and exploit them as much as possible.

And about sizes and complications: I ran two Piosims (BB vs BTN) with different settings ( first , second ):
One with 2 cbet sizes, 2 turn sizes and 3 river sizes for IP. Other one with locked cbet otf, one size ott and one otr. Turns out if you are able to master for sim with all its mixed strategies and nuances you are able to generate 4% more EV. That might sound a lot but on the other hand 96% of the EV comes from somewhere else than from different sizes. And you can just imagine how huge the first game tree is compared to second. Just pick A3 sheet of paper and pen and start drawing those two side by side and think which is more reasonable to even try to grasp.

Ok that’s enough for random rants. This nonsense that you have to be Piosolver in order to beat nl50 just makes me frustrated and sad at the same time.

Jan. 23, 2019 | 10:40 a.m.

Year has started pretty average. Have been playing somewhere around B to C-game and feels like im running pretty bad. But im really happy to my performance today. I slept pretty horribly last night and played really bad session in the morning. I really felt like i would call it for today, but i managed to get myself together and played somewhat ok evening session.

Im a bit tempted on trying to chance my playing rhythm. I usually play one session in the morning/midday and another in the evening. But i really feel that evening games are softer than midday games, so i would really want to put more volume in the evening. Problem is that im not used on playing long sessions (4hours+). Maybe i try it out and if it feels impossible i will chance back to old.

Jan. 7, 2019 | 9:12 p.m.

Not a bad goal for sure.. (:

Jan. 7, 2019 | 9:05 p.m.

Thanks guys!

Eldora Whole topic of online poker dying is interesting for sure. My personal view is that you can always get better and/or find softer games to play. I can only speak from my personal experience, but i think online poker is doing just fine. Still plenty of fish in pools and average regular is making a lot of mistakes (like me). Usually people that complain about the state of games are either fish or not winning players. Its just easier to complain the system or something than put in the work.

I thought about good ways to split my year. Instead of setting up goals on monthly basis, i decided to split year into four quarters. Idea behind that is to turn focus even more to long term, instead of short term. Im pretty sure many of you have felt need to bank a good month, or grind more so that you are able to get a winning month etc. I have done it, and thats the kind of thought process im trying to get away from.

So my goal for the Q1 (1.1-31.3) is to play 125k hands @ 200z. Also my goal is to only check results at the end of the quarter. Again the same thing, mind from short to long. Reason for so low volume goal is that im spending almost whole March in Thailand on a holiday, where im not going to play any poker. But before that its crucial to get back into good poker routines, good quality poker and effective studying.

Jan. 6, 2019 | 8:44 a.m.

Started a new blog for 2019

If interested, keep following that. If not, i dont blame you.

Jan. 3, 2019 | 2:30 p.m.

Post | Onkleb posted in Chatter: Goal for 2019: Be a balanced pokerpro

Hello Everyone.

I decided to start new blog for 2019, since its annoying to scroll trough long threads on RIO.

Some of you might know who i am, so feel free to skip this part. For others, i am Toni, Finnish poker player, playing 200z at pokerstars. I have played full time around two years (if i recall correctly), but have been playing poker since the good old WPT and poker boom times. Even though having played poker that long, i still have passion for the game. I notice it when i take longer breaks, since after the break im always very eager to get back and just play poker.

Results for the last 2 years

Last year was a big step forward for me. Not only moving up im limits, but overall i felt very proud what i was doing and how i did it. I was able to overcome obstacles that i thought were almost impossible for me, and just made a lot of progress overall. In poker the biggest jump was moving up from 100z to 200z and achieving descent winrate there. Moving up has been a big challenge for me in my past, so achieving that was huge for me mentally.

So, what to expect from this blog?

Same answer as last time, no idea. This blog is mainly just my random thoughts that i feel need to let out. So very messy, very little real content, just random button clicking (like my game). Somehow people have found it interesting (which i still wonder), so if its +EV for me and maybe +EV for you, why not.

Goals for 2019

Be a balanced pokerpro. What does that mean, im not even 100% sure myself. At least for me its ability to keep poker and all other areas of life somehow in order. Ability to get destroyed at tables and still spend a nice evening with girlfriend, friends or with family. Ability to put in the work on and off from poker tables, even though your mind wants you to drink beer and play video games. Ability to enjoy the benefits that come from being self-employed.

No something concrete:

  • 550k hands
  • Most of the volume @ 200z
  • Keep mind open for moving up and/or playing regular tables at other sites
  • Winrate goal 4-10bb/100 (around 95% chance w current winrate)
  • Monetary goal 44k-110k $ (same as above)

Thats enough to get things started. Good luck for poker year 2019!

Jan. 3, 2019 | 2:27 p.m.

Dec. 31, 2018 | 10:15 a.m.

Bingo 123 Thanks man, and happy new year! (:

ChaoRen123 With good table selection i cant really see why it would not would work. Some guys at 500z play 200z as well, and i feel i can do ok versus them. Fish are fish in all stakes, so if im able to do ok vs regulars and crush versus fish i should be able to make some EV. But really hard to tell which is more +EV, play 200z with higher winrate and lower variance (?) or 500z with lower winrate and higher variance (?).

Like i said i havent really though about poker year 2019 yet. Im going to devote one day just for deciding and searching goals for 2019. Past years have taught me that clarifying your goals and way to reach them is crucial. Having clear goals helps when times are tough and you start to wonder what am i doing / why am i doing this. But more on that later.

Havent really decided whether im doing to keep blogging or not. Its fun to just write and see what comes out. Also im quite amazed how so many gets something out of this, even though i just write something that comes into mind and thats basically it. But yea lets see how i feel when i get back into normal routines with poker.

Happy and +EV year for 2019!

Dec. 30, 2018 | 12:17 p.m.

That does it, im done for this month.

STAKES DEC

GRAPH DEC

All in all ,well below average month. Run pretty poor whole month and played pretty poorly time to time as well. Somehow i just felt pretty stressed and a bit burnt out whole month. Yesterday i played a horrible session and even tilted a bit (which i normally dont do). Also i slipped and checked my results, which was a huge mistake. Today i tried to play but i felt immediately that my mind is not in a good place. I played 600 hands and made the best choice of the month and decided to call it. I felt no point in forcing extra 3-4k hands to meet some volume goal, if that comes in expense of long term stability. Sure you cant just decide not to play every time you dont feel like it, but this time im certain i made the right call.

But now for more positive stuff, which is the long run :

GRAPH 2018

STAKES 2018

I have to be honest, im pretty happy and a bit proud on my results. When i look back to start of this year, my main goal was just to try if its possible for me to move up in stakes. I didnt expect that i would be able to immediately start winning there and with pretty descent winrate as well. Now im able to jump into those games and feel confident playing there (not counting these last few days), which is probably the biggest leap forward for me. Also almost doubling the results $ wise is quite nice, since thats still the main reason to play this game.

Now im going to take well deserved break and get back to poker next year. Havent really thought about next year yet, but there is time for that later. Also i want to thank you guys who have been extremely positive and supportive trough this whole year. It has been really helpful to get support from other people, especially when you are in a dark place mentally and feel like the biggest fish in the pool. So thank you all.

But now im off. Merry Christmas and good luck for 2019.

Toni

Dec. 21, 2018 | 6:48 p.m.

I Decided that this week is the last poker week for 2018. Goal is to play 15k hands and 5 days. Then im going to take a longer break during holidays and come up with fresh mindset in 2019. I really feel that a longer break would be extremely beneficial right now. Its not like i would be burnt out or anything, i just somehow feel there has been enough poker for these last months. But before that im hoping to play solid ABC-poker for rest of the month and finish the year strong. Would be happy to bink a heater and finish the year with a winning month, but thats again me focusing on short-term results.

Anyways, gl me for the rest of 2018. Then hopefully some nice graphs and funny hands. (:

Dec. 17, 2018 | 9:22 a.m.

Yea could be that my preflop play is so bad that people punish me for it. But thats fine for me.

Haha yea that must have been one tilting hand. It sometimes pays off to go full pirate.. :D Thanks for your support!

Dec. 12, 2018 | 10:17 p.m.

Small mid-month update.

Getting absolutely crushed at tables :D Nothing special really, just some bad plays and probably lots of the other side of variance. But after running tremendously hot almost whole year its totally justified. Now i just have to play trough it, just take down small pots and avoid grey zone spots as much as possible.

Hoping to reach around 40-45k hands before Christmas. Around 20k so far so still some playing to do.

Lets throw in some random spews to brighten the day:

Btmpair value cr + get it in

Whoops.

Reads

Reg being cautious

Vol2

Also had my very first coaching session (me being a coach???) this week. It was actually pretty fun and hopefully useful to the student. It was pretty easy for me since student spoke Finnish and was pretty much on board with similar strategies that i use. No idea if im going to do coaching more often, but if nothing else it was a nice experience.

Dec. 11, 2018 | 10:07 p.m.

Thanks man!

I will do my best and see where it takes..

Dec. 3, 2018 | 6:44 p.m.

ChaoRen123

I havent done any real in depth database analysis, only looked up most of the general spots for my pool. I just did all the filters/pop-ups by myself. H2N is a bit tough at start, but when get how its works its super quick to do those pop-ups. There are some videos about it on Youtube as well. So i cant say anything about the packs.

Dec. 3, 2018 | 8:53 a.m.

Ok, last month of 2018. Planning to put volume in before Christmas and maybe play few days between Christmas and new year. Goals are still the same that i stated earlier :

Goals for the rest of the year (1.11-31.12)

• Whole volume @ 200z [so far check]
• Total 100k hands (ambitious goal, but still doable) [53/100]
• Average 5 playing days and 2 off day per week
-3k hands / playing day -> 15k hands per week
• At least 1 handhistory review session / week [have been doing a lot more]
• At least one piosolver and/or hand2note session / week [slipping here a bit]
• Descent break during Christmas
• Effort in social events
-Spending quality time with my girlfriend
-Christmas partys, hockey games etc.
-Always book a hangover day! [Yesterday wasnt that bad..]
• Eat,move,sleep!
- Check results end of the year or end of the month, depending on how i feel end of this month. [check]

Now its time for some good quality poker. GL!

Dec. 2, 2018 | 8:44 a.m.

ChaoRen123

Thank you sir.

Video content that has developed me the most are Nick Howards streams. They are not in RIO, but you can find them for free from Youtube (link). Even though they are 2 years old the content is still extremely valuable.

My studying is nothing special really. All i try to find are spots where player pool is massively deviating from so called game theory optimal play. For finding these spots PIOsolver and Hand2Note are the way to go. What i dont do is try to memorize whole PIOsolver trees with 6 betsizes on each branch and somehow claim that im able to execute those strategies in game. Also i have greatly enjoyed looking trough hands with other players. At best its probably the most valuable studying right now. At worst its just fun.

Good luck to you as well ! (:

Dec. 2, 2018 | 8:31 a.m.

I had a feeling that im running super hot and apparently i was right..

GRAPH

STAKES

Pretty sick month results wise. I played pretty descent trough whole month, but im pretty sure biggest factor for results was rungood. If im up 2k in all-in preflop that tells something. But anyways im super pleased how things are going right now. My current strategy seems to be working very well and im even finding new spots to maybe gain some more EV. Of course there are still a million things that i need to work on, both in game and away from tables. But im confident im on the right track.

Still one month of good quality playing and studying and the year is done. Basically whatever happens in December this year will be tremendous in almost all areas of poker. But before wrapping up the year there are still a lot of hands to be played..

Gl guys ! (:

Nov. 29, 2018 | 7:46 p.m.

Not this year. Havent really thought about goals for 2019, but 500z could be one of those...

Nov. 27, 2018 | 3:13 p.m.

Hi guys.

Quick month update. Volume is on the lower side (44,5k hands so far), but not super pathetic. Playing quality has been pretty descent overall. Feeling more confident with strategy changes and its motivating to see them working in action. Still planning to play three more days this month and then call it. Feels like im running super hot, but we will see that at the end of the month.. (:

Lets throw in some hands. Strategy content, zero. Entertainment value, very close to zero.

Im capped

bluff

No idea

Printing

Ok, few more days and then hopefully a winning month graph. If not winning, thats ok too.

Nov. 25, 2018 | 7:57 p.m.

Thank you mr Wang.

Apart from results (which obviously helps tremendously with confidence) there are few things. One is noticing leaks in other players in game. Doesnt really matter if its funplayers or regulars leaks, it still makes you more confident when you see some way to exploit players imbalance. Second is noticing off table that your plays are working in the long run. When you take some line multiple times in game and it doesnt work you easily start to question yourself. But when you look at similar spot from your database and it works the way you assumed, it keeps you doing that. Third thing comes from outside, from you guys. That is getting positive feedback from other people. Sounds a bit narcissistic but for me its totally true. Poker is still a quite lonely game, since all your decisions made in game are made just by you. So when you get feedback from other people that you are doing something right and that what you say makes somewhat sense it brings positive energy, like motivation and confidence. Of course your confidence cant rely purely on outer factors, otherwise its not going to be stable at all.

Nov. 11, 2018 | 11:47 a.m.

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