PoeticEconomist

I bought the course and went through it all. There were key concepts regarding playing around the bubble & pay jumps that were pretty critical. I wish I had bought the course much earlier, as it helped me make sense of what I was seeing in ICMIZER.

Traffic indeed may be down for SnGs. Pricing for this is not too, too expensive, given maximum ROI on SnGs does seem capped without good rakeback programs. I The course does cover how to look up in Shark Scope to see how the biggest winners are doing in these formats, then you would just for your specific format on the specific sites available for you. Either way, even if there is a ceiling on earnings with SnG and you will have to transition to MTTs, the ICM study translates.

ICMIZER is better for beginners than HRC.

I agree with the fold on the river. I don't see what bluffs he would have at that point when the flush comes in on the river, and you don't have the nut flush draw blocker.

Pardon the additional message here, but I wanted to ensure that those interested saw the following change in time for the morning study session tomorrow:

Saturday 4/15/2023 @ 7:30 AM MST / 9:30 AM EST / 10:30 AM ART

We had a good study session this morning where we we reviewed two hand histories for 3Bet pots & analyzed them with GTOx.

For our next call, it'll be the same day & time of the week,
Saturday 4/15/2023 @ 7:30 AM MST / 9:30 AM EST / 10:30 AM ART

Agenda & Topics,
-Introductions for any new members
-Goal setting
-Open Floor
-Hand Histories
-Scheduling next study session

Anyone may feel free to join us, we will be in the study-room in the RIO Training discord: (https://discord.gg/XMPPY6r). Feel free to reach out to me with questions here, or on discord - MoreLuckPlease#9291.

We'll be having our study discussion tomorrow, 4/8/2023, at 12 PM ART / 11 AM EST / 9 AM MST. We'll be focusing on 3B Preflop and 3B Postflop SRPs, as most members want to study this.

Anyone may feel free to join us, we will be in the study-room in the RIO Training discord: (https://discord.gg/XMPPY6r)

Hey! We had a good session last week where we reviewed hands. Post in the thread here, or message me on discord if you'd like to study this weekend. I'll be holding another study group session, so it'll be useful to know the availability of those interested, thanks!

The call will be at 9 PM EST / 7 PM MST tonight, we'll be in the voice chat in the Run It Once training discord: https://discord.gg/ZY2rsUrN

Sure! I added you.

Sure, provide me with your 4 digits if you'd like me to add you as a friend. Alternatively, you can add me: MoreLuckPlease#9291

Looking forward to it as well!

Awesome! Let me know your discord, or add me as a friend, and we'll schedule a time that works for all of us.

Next study session is coming up: Friday (tomorrow) evening, anytime Saturday at this point, or mid-day Sunday.

I'll be bringing 3B OOP hands histories to the session. I've also started using GTOx, so we could chat about these topics and more.

My name on discord is MoreLuckPlease#9291, feel free to message me there if you have further questions, or to coordinate the exact time - thanks!

We had a good study session. We discussed constructing ranges Vs 3Bets for low stakes, and we figured out how to look up population 3Bet ranges in a database.

Here's a screenshot further below of an example.

We'll have another study session, same chat room as last time, this upcoming weekend. If you'd like to join, feel free to post here with your availability & Time Zone, and we can coordinate the time of the study session with all that are interested.

Hello! Some of us are having a study session today at 7 PM EST, we'll be in the voice chat in the Run It Once training discord: https://discord.gg/ZY2rsUrN

We can also start planning for our next chat for next weekend. Please feel free to post in this thread with your availability & TimeZone for next weekend, if you'd like to join. I'll get into the habit of posting to this thread on a routine basis to coordinate study sessions.

Hi everyone! I wanted to provide an update that this thread is still active. I've had good study sessions with people in the thread, so feel free to continue adding me, MoreLuckPlease#9291.

I'm looking to have at least a few more study partners added to my contact list, so we can have both more 3-person study sessions, and more weekly sessions in general.

Thanks!

Hey HawksWin! Would you mind explaining that again in a different way, as I don't follow?

"I think the pools are going to play TT/AQs/AQo this way preflop, therefore I think you need to expand your value range."

If SB is going to include TT/AQs/AQo and has these on the turn, then that would increase his value holdings.

Why would we expand our value range in this case? Wouldn't we want to decrease our value range, and thus play QJ as a check-call or check-fold?

I think you may have meant "then that would increase his (SB's) value range."

"I also think, since BB's squeeze way to tightly, that traps like AA/KK are sometimes going to be in his range."

What would you say is in BB's range that would then fold this flop? How would that impact our decision on the turn against SB?

Polyneikos Thanks! Yeah, it sounds like a cooler to me, you're at the very top of his range, and your close to the top of yours.

Taking a look at Equilab, GTO Wiz, and taking into account how to exploit the pool at micros, I think it makes the most sense to approach this spot from the perspective of what can we do to maximize our fold equity from this spot onwards, and maximize fold equity?

I've heard before that a good decision making process is to try and eliminate one of the options and go from there. I think we wouldn't fold. Imagine we fold and he has AK. I think AK plays the exact same way BU plays here, as does AA, KK. Taking into account card removal here are the combos he has of these:

AA: 3 combos
KK: 3 combos
AK: 9 combos

Then we are flipping against QQ, 6 combos.

Power-Eq shows we have almost 40% equity VS. JJ+,AKs,AKo, and 37% equity if we exclude JJ & QQ. We have direct pot odds (28%).

GTOWiz is shown below, and I think it's useful because it has BU 4-betting a range that I think people in the Micros would 4-bet as well.

Last thing to keep in mind about the calling option, is that since the SPR is so large, that neutralizes a lot of the disadvantage of being out of position. It's really 3-bet pots that hurt to play OOP.

In the pool I play in, I would shove. It gives the opponent the chance to make a big mistake and fold AK or JJ. Furthermore, there is the chance he was bluffing some weak Axs, and now he 4-bets because he simply decides to keep bluffing.

The thought process of some bad players, is they don't think ahead, they just make one action, get pulled through the hand, and don't think about their range or their opponent's range. If even some of the time he 3-bets some hands as a bluff, that he then decides to incorrectly keep bluffing with as a 5-bet, then I think folding especially could be very bad.

Also thinking about bad players and their weird 3 bet sizings, I've been pretty much ignoring their weird sizings and I still have been 4-bet bluffing regardless, and it feels like small 3-bets aren't necessarily nutted, rather a significant portion of recs simply don't know correct 3-bet sizings.

In conclusion, I'd 5-bet shove preflop. I think calling then betting or bluffing postflop also has merit, although that'd be dependent on a lot of factors (boards, if opponent c-bets or checks, etc.).

Also, just wanted to add a note here to let me know your thoughts on this analysis, and I'm not asserting that this right / the definitive correct answer.

Hello!

I'd like to join to discuss hands and poker strategy. I'm a micro player, serious about improving. I've been playing NL for 3 years total, switching between cash and tournaments in the past. I only played cash for the 1st year where I was about breakeven at 5NL. I'm net positive lifetime, all my profits are from tournaments such as Hypers 6s and turbo SNG MTTs.

I'm looking to refocus on cash and the fundamentals now. I've bought FTG, it'd be great to chat about this as well and analyzing hand histories with FlopZilla, GTO+, and Equilab (I have these).

My name on discord is MoreLuckPlease#9291.

Thanks!

Thank you! The observation about thinking of my range rather than my hand if very helpful. I appreciate you drawing my attention to a bad habit. Also, good to understand that spending too much time on bet-size on the flop is trivial in terms of EV.

In consideration of bad habits, I think if I am playing poker with a clear mind or on an upswing, I'm trying to make decisions based on my approximate understanding of what is a good theoretical poker framework.

However, if I've had losing sessions recently or I'm in the middle of a losing session, I think I have a tendency to forego this framework, and make whatever decision that I think would be the most EV against the pool, or what would be best to exploit Villain.

Another consideration is x-ing flop and allowing Villain to blast off turn and river if he has a flush draw, or it turns out he is an Aggressive Recreational player.

In this case, I can call the turn against most normal bet sizes, then fold against some bigger bet sizes on the river. Maybe I'd fold to half pot or greater? This would be good because many people with flush draws give up on the river when they miss their flush.

Got it, thanks for explaining the two different matrixes and clarifying that betting the river would be too thin.

I really like your point about opening 3x, I'm going to switch to 3x, and make sure I'm not opening too wide from some positions early.

That's an interesting point that even to a weaker player with 74s, most players will be calling along with other marginal made hands that we are big favorites against.

Thanks for your help and letting me know my range construction for SB is decent.

When you say the blue grid is the SB calling range on Iggy, I'm not familiar with H2N matrixes. What do the variations of the blue colors as well as numbers mean?

I think I see what you mean by runout by the river being bad for triple barreling for value with such a low pair, pretty standard.

Afterall, there could still be some Kx off that called flop, turn, and river, and even some of the draws that were called flop and turn could be a pair of 6s or 8s by the river, so betting would result in us value betting ourselve.