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RaoulFlush

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This hand illustrates problems that occur flatting hands like KTs in MP. Beside rake considerations (which is a huuuuuge thing at nl10), we offer a nice opportunity for other players preflop to enter the pot withe speculative hands.
So in this case the value of our K-high FD Drops decently as the risk of facing the NFD increased.
So i guess im letting this 1 go OTF, because even if one of these players jams a weaker FD, he blocks our outs heavilly.
And both lines of MP and the BU look fairly nutted or nutdrawy.
Try to avoid marginal spots like this at nl10…fold when they show strength and take them to valuetown when you are strong!

Nov. 28, 2022 | 4:08 p.m.

Some players also reported about this problem some time ago.
Could also open the Hand in Detail-view and post a picture with the snipping-tool from windows.

Nov. 27, 2022 | 6:35 a.m.

As both sides have decent traffic and are also the choice of coaches in here, i guess both sides are fine (as a player from Europe i dont play them).
I guess you will find a lot about rigged stories for basically any pokersite online and indeed bots and rta are problems around the market, but this is a global problem.
I doubt that these 2 clients are really rigged in that sense of a slot-machine that makes you loose in general.

Nov. 23, 2022 | 2:14 p.m.

rosaaa
Lets see this positive:
Your intuition about these spots seemed to be good and indeed you simply bluffed into top of range.
So you did a good job and a nice homework afterwards that even i profit from as my thoughts seemed to be off here!
Good invested time for both of us!
Gl for the next 50k hands and just keep up!

Nov. 19, 2022 | 10:22 a.m.

I think you are taking things too far here.
First of all: dont care about your redline at the micros. Your money will come from players playing weak ranges and paying you off with worse hands mostly.
The hands you post make me think that you dont take positions into account enough making your decisions.
Lets take a look:
1) seems ok to me given the whide ranges. Keep in mind that we have a disadvantage in 88/99 and maybe even 2x. But still ok
2) we have a decent disadvantage in Qx-combos here and have 2 FD on the board. So we need to be careful which bluffs we choose.
Also got to keep in mind that you 3bet vs UTG and face a pretty strong range. So imo AK is not a great choice to bluff even with As.
H3) : villain has 88-QQ in his range, but shouldn’t have 2p. And given the backdoorequity and AQ beeing fairly low in our range, i guees mixing X and bet OTF is ok. But if we bet we need to move on fairly careful: folding to a raise or give up turns.
H4) this one looks close…AJ has some SDV i guess in these postions. We block some folds with Jx, but we also block TP decently. So i guess a mix of checks and bets is fine. But i wouldnt triple off here.
So overall we might take a closer look at the ranges we are playing against and think about our range and possible bluffs to choose from to not overbluff spots that players could be aware off that they are overbluffed. But otherwise i would say that you didnt punt here :)

Nov. 19, 2022 | 8:19 a.m.

Nov. 19, 2022 | 7:31 a.m.

Looks fine to me…
Preflop is standard, sizing looks good due to the shorter stack in UTG.
Even though i would tend to bet flop myself if we have the read that UTG is passive.
MP has a lot of incentive to check back the flop and realize some low equity hands.
With an SPR below 2 we dont get away from this anyways regardles of the other holdings

Nov. 18, 2022 | 7:30 p.m.

This heavilly depends on the stakes and positions i would say.
And there is also a difference between AKo and AKs and its also pretty important if there is factors that lead to lighter/lower 3bets from your opponents (an aggro reg or fish as a 3rd party for instance).
Theorywise you are supposed to 4b/gii with AK pretty light in a lot of spots or to simply jam yourself 100BBs vs the 3bet.
But in real life you will wake up vs KK+ fairly often if you for instance 4bet AK UTG vs MP and call it off…
So usually vs an unknown and no further table related infos i flat AK vs a 3bet UTG vs MP and MP vs CO.
In the later positions (CO vs BU and SB vs BB) im usually just 4b and gii…
Try to cut out the 4b/F line in general with AK i would say and try to pick up exploits to deviate from this strategy asap, because there is merrits in 4betting AK even in earlybpositions also for sure…

Nov. 16, 2022 | 6:45 p.m.

Yeah…40k hands is nothing. To really have a touch in your WR you will have to play like 500k or even 1 mio hands.
But the swings you mention are pretty standard and i wouldnt worry too much as long as you have a solid bankroll-management

Nov. 12, 2022 | 3:24 p.m.

You might play around with the following tool to find out how much of a beast variance indeed is:

https://www.primedope.com/poker-variance-calculator/

Nov. 12, 2022 | 2:34 p.m.

Rule of thumb is: nearly everyone at the micros is not 4betting enough.
This still holds true for the small blind. And even though a jam might often be AK, i still would overfold here a ton and not call any of the hands you mentioned, because some players are simply scared of playing TT/JJ oop in a 4bet pot and jam it. And vs a range of TT-JJ+AK we simply dont have enough equity to call smaller pairs. 99 for instance has 38% and needs 45%

Nov. 12, 2022 | 8:17 a.m.

Been a while since i watched this series, but i guess he means that either villain folds preflop or versus your cbet after the flop was dealt.

Nov. 11, 2022 | 8:15 p.m.

1) Hard to name concrete numbers as too many factors are relevant here: What ranges opens your pool, how do they react to RFI of you or how do they react to your 3bets, 4bets?
In micros everything between 18/16/6 and 28/24/15 could be fine. Also need to o take your postflop skills into account.
2) a bit connected to point 1. if players are tight, open whide for a small sizing (even 2BB could be fine). If your villains are splashy, open tight and for a bigger sizing like 3.5 or even 4BB.
Could also stick to straight 2.5 from every position vs everyone or so. Doesnt matter too much.
3) I would recommend 3B or fold execlusively. Might flat some PP or strong broadways on the BU depending on players behind you (weak/3betting low).
4) yes
5) tricky one…mostly robust equity vs villains…small PP or weak suited Kx or Ax rather than small suited connectors. If we hit, we want to hit hard and usually not loose flush over flush and so on…but again: villains are imortant: might go much whider if a whale is involved.
6) suited connectors are highly overrated. I cut em out completely in EP/MP. Offsuit broadways (including AQo) as well. But given their blockers they make good 4b-bluff-candidates in LP from time to time.

In general i would apply a tight approach due to high rake and would overfold a ton pre (offsuit broadways, small PP, suited connectors) vs aggression and cut off bluffcatching postflop for the most part. ABC is still the way to go through the micros….

Nov. 10, 2022 | 3:23 p.m.

Its pretty important to take stakes/rake into consideration here. Not quite sure what you mean by „polar calling“ range tbh.
Keep in mind that we face an RFI from the strongest position here and so our continuing-range in general needs to be strong as well.
We also face the problem of beeing out of position through the whole hand. So depending on your skilllevel and the level of your opponent you might only be able to realize 80-90% of the equity of your range.
And this marge also gets eaten up by a huge rake that you pay if you win the pot.
These 3 facts make calling in the small blind unprofitable for the most hands!
To make up for this fact we usually want to add some fold equity to a small amount of hands that we want to play by 3 betting.
The following picture is from GTOwizard 6max and the rake of NL50.
We see some calling, but if you play like nl25 and lower i recommend a 3bet only strategy for this position.

Nov. 9, 2022 | 5:59 a.m.

This looks played solid so far. Even though i guess a donk 3ways shouldnt be much of a thing, the board is still too dynamic to pull the trigger OTF already (as we see here).
Turn check is fine even though i could imagine that solvers like to bet small here.
But as played i dont see another option than calling river.
It sucks, but as the 2 pairs, he has about 7 combos of boats/quats only.
The fact that he potdonks flop and pots river (fairly unconventional line imo) makes me believe that there is enough BS in his range to justify a call.

Oct. 26, 2022 | 5:34 a.m.

Cheers saduser,

theory wise this question is quite easy to answer: a merged betting range is a fairly thin value bet with a whide variety of hands.
In Flopspots this kind of bet is often used where one player has a decent range advantage over the other.
The typical example is UTG opens, BB calls and the flop comes: A72r
BB checks and basically everything in UTGs range is going to CBET, even hands that are way weaker than TP.
The main reason is, that we don't only want to bet for value, we also want to deny equity to villain. So beside Ax also every PP and so on benefits from betting.
The reason why we can do this is mainly the fact, that BB has to proceed very causiously as he has a huge range disadvantage and so has to fold a huge part of his range.
But as we bet so merged we are forced to BET SMALL usually as we don't want a lot of parts of our range to isolate themselves vs a strong range:
Example for this flop: 88 doesn't want to bet big and play vs a range of Ax only, while Villain still has to fold overcards even vs a smaller bet. But if we choose a small bet, we can often simply bet 100% of our hands here.

On the other hand we usually BET Big in spots that are more polar.
Lets stick to the same scenario: same flop, bet-Call from BB and the turn brings an offsuit K.

The BB checks and UTG has the decision of betting or checking. In this case we have to be aware that BB doesn't have a weak range anymore (remember: BB has to proceed super cautiously here OTF).
So BB is fairly condensed as we say (no more weak hands) while UTG often still has his 100% of range.
In this case a lot of UTGs range doesn't have incentive to deny equity anymore. So all underpairs and a lot of Ax-combos have to be careful now and imidiatly became too weak to bet at all while other parts of our range (AA/KK/AK/77/22) are still super strong.
So in this case our betting frequency will go down a lot but the hands that want to bet have incentive to go for a BIG bet or overbet.

To shorten this: small bets are theorywise more merged while bigger bets are usually more polar.
And indeed this pattern is used somewhat correctly from the regs even on smaller stakes these days and you can construct your ranges accordingly.
However: Its not guaranteed that your Villains got this concept correctly and still might just be clicking buttons :)

Oct. 21, 2022 | 8:35 a.m.

On a board that is bad or neutral for our range we usually construct a fairly polar XR-range. I didn't check a solver, but im pretty sure that we have a wild and mixed XR-range in this spot with a lot of hands that fit following criteria:

  • bad SDV
  • decent equity on further streets or
  • bad equity but good blocker properties to Villains calling range

Beside holding the Ah (blocking villains calling range) I guess that AK doesn't fit either of this criteria.
Also: In Theory BU is supposed to start bluffing small OPs on a decent frequency which I also don't think population does often enough. So I doubt that we get other PPs or Tx folding often enough to make our AK a good XR combo.

Edit: Couldn't resist to check wizard lol...
Seems that AKo gets more XR here than I thought (23%) and the heart blocker seems to be very relevant.
So the combos that unblock Villains B/C range (spades/diamonds) or the Kh are XR fairly frequently or for the Kh even pure...

Nice!

BUT...

...im pretty sure that if we node lock pin to under4bet JJ/TT/KQ pre and to not start bluffing small PPs OTF, that the XR-frequency will drop heavily

Oct. 15, 2022 | 10:14 a.m.

The problem is, that pools under4bet the BU by a ton. Theorywise BU is supposed to 4ball JJ, KQ and TT on a decent frequency which at most stakes up to Nl100 is basically not the case.
Still QQ are flatted quite often here…Thats why imo checking is fine while i still tend to bet here mostly with AK as well. Its a more simple way to play my (polarized) 3betting-range that also hits this board decently.
So i guess checking or cbeting small shouldnt differ much in EV

Oct. 1, 2022 | 3:54 p.m.

Line seems ok to me tbh...in this scenario villains range interacts decently with the flop (JJ/TT/JTs and 66 are all in his range) and so checking a high frequency is fine.
Still a chance to get checked down OTR and beat AQ or sometimes even KQ...So I would say AK is still a bit too strong to bluff the river with.

Oct. 1, 2022 | 10:17 a.m.

Comment | RaoulFlush commented on hand discussion

I dont really understand the shove tbh…
Both villains have TT/88/QTs in their range. Leading a board 3ways is more a sign of strength than weakness these days, so shoving for value looks too thin to me…
However: villain also might have junk (KJ/AJ/maybe AK )or random value in his range that you beat sometimes.
So playing turns/rivers after flatting flop also seems challenging.
So i agree that we will be loosing some dollars here either way.
If it stays 3way OTT for the same line B-C i guess we could find a fold.

Sept. 27, 2022 | 4:40 a.m.

Comment | RaoulFlush commented on Easy River Fold?

Looks like an easy river call tbh…not sure about a jam, but villain looks fairly splashy and could overplay Qx or spew a club even for a bigger sizinh.
However: i guess OTF i would be betting smaller. Villain still has a decent amount of 1-club-combos in his range and so i would not bloat the pot here already…wouldnt be suprised if solvers check some of the time even…

Sept. 25, 2022 | 3:40 p.m.

So you buy 200k hands of a player giving you details on XR river tendencies in 3betpots that no-one would even recognize after playing 1k hands...
So you gain an advantage by mining that no-one else is able to gain by playing a regular game vs the player....sounds like cheating

Sept. 9, 2022 | 9:05 a.m.

Comment | RaoulFlush commented on UNKNOWN-Give Credit

Doesnt seem to be the best adaption to me. I know that Liveplay is boring sometimes and this beautiful looking Queen comes around and knocks your door. And after a long hour of folding 83o we fall in love and want to play the lady...
However: Vs a tight opponent QTs (especially as a call) could be highly -EV due to domination effects. So imo the correct play in this spot (tight villain opening 5x) needs to be to let her go :(

Sept. 9, 2022 | 6:55 a.m.

Comment | RaoulFlush commented on UNKNOWN-Give Credit

Liveplay is a difficult beast and calling and 3betting could have merits with this combo depending on the players behind.
In a GTO-vacuum i have to menntion, that QTs might be more of a fold vs a 5x at 100BBs.
It sucks, but theoretically we have to tighten up heavilly vs huge RFIs....But realistically looking at live poker, I guess your line is ok...Our range disadvantage is so huge that folding turn is good and flop already seems close facing pot....

Sept. 7, 2022 | 6:35 a.m.

Yeah…ugly spot with QQ here. As villain shouldnt have 89 or 56 in range and we block the Qh UTG runs out of bluffs quickly. And as Dr. Maximilious Exploitopoulos MD already mentioned the K smashes your range and he stil is betting it.
I agree that we wake up with enough stronger combos in this node (or better blockers) to fold this one…

Sept. 2, 2022 | 3:48 a.m.

Folding this looks too tight to me.
This is wizards move facing a GTO flatting-range from the BU:

As i expect players to flat a lot weaker ranges BU vs CO at NL5 this should be a slamdumk Squeeze imo.
Even though you are right that an EV of .51 is not gigantic in GTO-land, i expect the EV to be much higher in reality.

Sept. 1, 2022 | 3:07 p.m.

Just to get your question clear: what other option do you take into account here?
Given the fact that it is NL5 i would recommend to 3B or Fold from every position facing a raise beside the BB.
The main reason is the super high rake in your environment.
Due to that nearly any hand (beside KK/AA) have more incentive to take a pot down preflop than playing postflop.
So if we only decide between those two options, this is a 3bet pre without any reads; simply because AQo dominates most of villains opening range and gains value by either villain folding or calling in the long run.
Just keep that in mind: even if you have trouble playing this hand out of position, it is still a play with positive expectation! We dont need to win every hand to make profit.
Playing volatile hands oop is one of the most complex topics in poker, so dont feel bad having trouble in this spot postflop.

Aug. 31, 2022 | 6:03 p.m.

Readless i guess im not opening 87s in UTG and im 100% folding vs a 3bet here.
Is there any reason why you open 3x in eraly position? A bit unusal nowadays.
As played: I would play this pretty straight forward as we are on a heavy disadvantage both in rangeperespective and with our concrete hand.
We lag so much of strong hands on this board that i dont think leading or checkraising is a great idea. The small amount of blockingproporties our hand offers is usueless as we shouldnt have AA/KK at all in our range and might also 4bet AK on a decent frequency pre while Villain could still slowplay some of these combos. So we are basically repping 3 combos of 88 and some AK (at best). In my experience peolple also hate folding anything OTT/OTR after checking back flops as they "have shown weakness" and expect to get bluffed more often (which could be nonsense i guess, but our brain often works this way).
Given the fact Villain is offering a nice price for pair+FD im simply going to check/call and will give up river unimproved....

Aug. 20, 2022 | 10:31 a.m.

In this case we have to take the EV of the whole gametree into account (including equity realization over several streets).
So if we 3bet a polar range, our range is nuts or air (theorywise). So the plan is to get the maximum of chips into the pot asap either for value or as a bluff (thats the reason for big 3bets or barrels).
A strong linear range has to slow down on a lot of runouts as the valueportion is not pure nuts and our bluffs usually have more equity over several streets.
So if players tend to overcall vs 3bets, we want them to call even whider vs our (linear) range at best, because our rangeadvantage on average is much stronger and so we can go thinner for value over several streets.
Maybe a toygame for this:
Imagine our 3betrange to be AA and 72 and we bomb all streets (polar range).
Villain only flats 22-66 pre (because we 3bet pretty big).
We usually take down the pot early, but AA dont get max value this way.
But if we 3bet 99-AA (linear) smaller and villain defends 22-TT, villain will have a much tougher time folding postflop as his range is stronger, but still on a heavy disadvantage.
But in this case we will be able to extract more value from the top of our range over several streets.
Keep in mind that in my toygame some hands of our range still will be bluffs on later streets maybe.

Aug. 19, 2022 | 4:54 a.m.

Dr. Maximilious Exploitopoulos MD
I guess 4b/gii is totally fine as well. But still: 4b/folding would only be a mathematical correct exploit if we expect Villains range to be even stronger than QQ+/AK…
And i expect this even at 10nl not to be the case CO vs BU in most pools

Aug. 12, 2022 | 2:27 p.m.

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