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RaoulFlush

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Its not a good idea to relate this to the result of your hands. We might consider this situation to happen over and over (as it will in a pokercreer) and than think about the general right decision.
So dont care about these 2 times where you lost the hands. For sure, Villain pots it 3 times on a board that hits your range good and that looks pretty strong (thats why its awful IMO with 88!). But you dont know anything about this guy and so i would stick to GTO here.
That said, we need to defend about 1/3 of the range that we arrived to the river with.
So that might be 99-QQ/AA/Kx/8x/Flushes and btw also some decent diamond backdoors like AdTd-AdQd.
Thats a lot of hands and im pretty sure that KQ is easy in the top 33%.
We can differ from that strategy if we have some kind of read about Villain (or maybe the pool you are playing).

July 3, 2020 | 7 p.m.

IMO this hand is well played. We have to expect to see flushes here a decent amount of the time. But in theory and practice we should call here.
We are somewhat high up in or range here. It would be too exploitable to fold everything worse here than a flush.
We will arrive with a decent portion of hands by the river that we can lay down: 99-QQ/AA/8x/67dd
Thats already a bunch of hands!
Villain might btw overplay a weaker King by himself.
Wouldnt care too much here if hes got it. The call will still be fine

July 3, 2020 | 6:41 p.m.

I would say that this not quite correct. There should (in theory) always be a perfectly correct range. Thats how every (preflop)solver works. Playing a perfect range vs a perfect range.
Thats obv. not how reality works and we can only get near optimal. Some thinks about how to construct a good range for YOUR SITUATION:

1) Analyse your stakes at your side. Take a look at your database and construct an ALIAS that mirrors the average player. You could construct a good range that performs nicely vs this virtual guy. Thats obv. some work to do.
2) Take a look at certain hands that you have in your range and check if they are winning (decent sample is needed here). If there are hands that fit in perfectly in your range but you are (for whatever reason) not able to play them profitably, just cut them out.
3) Last but not least. Dont stay too much static to defined ranges. These are often pretty usefull but we should at lower stakes mostly focus on exploits. So if you have a spot where a hand might be profitable, just move on. Even 72s might be a profitable open vs some guys, but you will rarely find it in any RFI-chart.
Cheers

July 3, 2020 | 1:17 p.m.

Thought about this for a while already. My thoughts would be like this:
Betting 4ways OTF is already close. Therefore there is about 0 good turns for us i guess im more tempted to bet as well (But maybe its a mistake?).
But even though the price is good, i would B/F here (sounds pretty nitty, i know) but MP raises into 4 ppl and one already bet (you) and one called (BB). Thates rarely compete air.
We also block KcQc/KcJc or maybe even AcKc that might "bluff" here. So i see a much more valueheavy range.
As played:
Turncheck is good.
OTR basically everything that was air OTF got here (flush/straight/ maybe even 56s).
So again....good price, but i guess we might not be good here 19% of the time to justify a call.

July 3, 2020 | 11:52 a.m.

We still have to take the other 2 players into account about this, esp BU. Would take a close look about these guys before i decide to change my standard RFI.
If they pay close attention they can make your life hell in this spot and so you wont be able to whiden your range at all.
If these two guys ain’t a thing, the range from RIT above seems reasonable, but it shouldn’t be auto-used if you see a a weaker player in the blinds.

July 3, 2020 | 5:23 a.m.

Hmmm...
I remember this KQ hand. But this hand has some kind of SDV beside overcards. That’s a huge different related to JT I guess.

July 2, 2020 | 7:29 p.m.

Comment | RaoulFlush commented on Varying Bet Sizing

Iwould recommend the videoseries „from the ground up“ from Peter Clark here. Its 50$ for lifetime access. Kind of the price of good book and without further subscription. If you want to read something I would recommend Matthew janda or Andrew brokos. But they are dealing with this topic just on the side.
Peters Videos Go a Little more into Detail and are perfect to get a lot of basics on the screen again.

July 2, 2020 | 7:27 p.m.

Comment | RaoulFlush commented on Varying Bet Sizing

There is plenty ofstuff arround here already. I guess you have at least an essential subscription?

Searchfunction ("betsizing"/NLHE) gives you this:

https://www.runitonce.com/search/?q=betsizing&selectedfacets=typeexact%3Aprovideo&selectedfacets=gametypes%3ANLHE&selectedfacets=

There is also plenty of books that take care of that topic. Betsizing is a somwehat complex but important (and for me really interesting) topic. So if you have concrete questions about it, always feel free to ask here. The times where "1/2-3/4 PSB is always right" is over for long time.
Cheerz

July 2, 2020 | 6:35 p.m.

Comment | RaoulFlush commented on 3 barrel with AIR?

Im not quite sure how you think that Viallain so heavilly capped OTT/OTR.
A6s and A6o/T6s//67s are all possible holdings that wont raise OTF/OTT but that are going to call you down.
He might still have some flushes OTR: TcXc/6cXc or maybe QJcc. He still might even call with an A and clubblocker (rarely).
And we simply dont block any of these possible holdings. I guess in the long run that play is questionable.
We also might get out of line with our frequencies if we start to barrel complete nothing. This board offers tons of natural bluffs that i would prefer vs Q9dd.

July 2, 2020 | 3:12 p.m.

Comment | RaoulFlush commented on nl200 AK

Yeah...GTO+ is mixing it quite exactly 50/50 OTR...So maybe i would tend to overfold vs unknown. From Villains POV this should at first glance not be the best bluffing card (even though it hits his range decently) i would say...You aint that weak given the runout

July 2, 2020 | 12:15 p.m.

The idea of flatting was that we are protected pre of getting squeezed light in this spot and still could fold if another player pulls the trigger.
So we could get to the flop 3way IP and then simply play a flop vs the fish. He might be playing pretty honest given his stats (obv. not reliable over the sample). But i guess at best UTG ships it for 20BB and the fish folds....so i guess this way was a bit superior. After the fish calling we obv have no choice

July 2, 2020 | 10:47 a.m.

Hand History | RaoulFlush posted in NLHE: NL16 shipping TT pre short MW
Blinds: $0.08/$0.16 (6 Players) BN: $21.59
SB: $22.75
BB: $9.08
UTG: $4.02
MP: $9.64
CO: $22.33 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.24) Hero is CO with T T
UTG raises to $0.48, MP calls $0.48, Hero raises to $2.08, 3 folds, UTG raises to $4.00 and is all in, MP calls $3.52, Hero raises to $22.31 and is all in, MP calls $5.62 and is all in

July 2, 2020 | 8:11 a.m.

I guess blocking the Ah makes this complicated. We might fold out every AQ-combo (cause Villain cant have AQhh) but we might also play our NFD like this that Villain cant block. I guess the last point is a little more important and makes this combo not the best for bluffing.
But i still think this play is ok, because the only hands we are really afraid of is KQs/KJs. Not too many KTs in his range i guess. And he still hast to fold a lot of stuff: AQ(every combos i guess?)/AJs/QJs/JTs/ATs

July 2, 2020 | 8:04 a.m.

Why are you betting this flop 3way? Do you expect better hands to fold or worse hands (FD+overacted ain’t much worse than 99 here) to call?

July 2, 2020 | 5:17 a.m.

Pre is kind of iffy about the price. i guess if we are a little deeper (like 120BB or so) i like the call. But 5.6x gets thin with JTs. But its a sexy hand so i guess i would have called as well.
Flopfloat seems too whide for me. I read about your thoughts on Squeezed pots and player tendencies at the other thread. But if he Cbets this board, i would expect a stronger range we are facing.
As played: Perfect river for a bluff. Not too much 7 in Villains range, while Hero is full of it.

July 2, 2020 | 5:12 a.m.

Its a useful tooldefinetly, because the whole tree for these HU-scenarios is solved and you simply have to click buttons to get a quick answer for standard spots in a second.
But its not constructed for deeper analysis including any specific tendencies or concrete stackdepths. Its just a GTO-solution vs a GTO-bot.

July 2, 2020 | 4:57 a.m.

There is quite a lot of usefull software for any kind of studying. Im using preflopguru for standard preflop decisions. But its pretty basic and not able to solf Multiway scnearios.
Greetz

July 1, 2020 | 6:51 p.m.

This phenomenom is called "Gap-concept"
Defending vs strong ranges given the mentioned positions offer several problems:

1) If we flat we play a condensed range vs an uncapped range. This means that we have to make a lot of marginal calls and are often unable to realize our equity. The fact beeing IP doesnt encounter enough that we face a pretty strong range.

2) We cant 3bet too light vs this strong range. My preflopssolver advices a 9% linear range vs an UTG-Open of 19% (which is already pretty loose for a lot of stakes) and is playing a 3B/F-strategy only. We will face 4bets too often and even if we get flatted, we have to deal with a strong range (wich again encounters position quite a bit).

3) There is still players left to act that also might recognize that your range is condensed and heavilly capped. We might get squeezed here pretty frequently and will have trouble to defend accordingly (Preflop and postflop).

4) Even if we dont get squeezed, other players get offered qiute good potodds and come along, which also makes it pretty hard to realize our equity.

Thats why in general a flattingrange needs no be stronger than an opening-range. There is kind of a gap between.

July 1, 2020 | 6:03 p.m.

What about following idea: Created the RNG as everyone except for hero. So i have 5 RNGS per table now that i ordered in a row for pre/flop/turn/river and one just if i dont like any fallen number :)
Just kidding...Stored it aside for nothing

July 1, 2020 | 2:32 p.m.

Thx a lot!

July 1, 2020 | 2:22 p.m.

Sorry, cant help you here. Using a 3rd party software as well that doesnt run automatically. But maybe you could tell me how to get an RNG running at HEM3?
Googled about it some weeks ago and just crossed a thread that told me that there is no RNG in HEM3, so i stopped looking for it.
Greetz

July 1, 2020 | 1:54 p.m.

Congrats to the whole team for making this site sooooo much +EV for everyone who is part of it!
Good job everyone!

July 1, 2020 | 11:29 a.m.

The money is gone and thinking about that wont help either. There is a lot we can influence with our actions in this game, but we never ever can force to be winning.
So homework while downswings should be: keep the mindset clean!
The good thing about downswings is that they will end as fast as they began. Just look forward when the times come that you run like hell (and feel like a boss) and pick up stack over stack over stack.
The important thing is that winnings are more than losses (and if its 1BB/100) over a (very very) long run.

July 1, 2020 | 9:11 a.m.

Not sure if its new....Been playing this sizings for longer. I guess even at lower stakes ppl tend to defend a bit more acordingly vs 3bets(calling whider) and so we want to set a worse price to counter that evolution

July 1, 2020 | 8:59 a.m.

Hand History | RaoulFlush posted in NLHE: QQ NL16
Blinds: $0.08/$0.16 (6 Players) BN: $13.91
SB: $42.06
BB: $20.60
UTG: $13.77
MP: $24.79 (Hero)
CO: $16.49
Preflop ($0.24) Hero is MP with Q Q
UTG raises to $0.80, Hero raises to $2.40, 4 folds, UTG calls $1.60
Flop ($5.16) 6 K 7
UTG bets $4.93, Hero folds
Final Pot UTG wins $4.93
Rake is $0.23

July 1, 2020 | 8:55 a.m.

Definetly yes. We need about 30,7% straight odds for a call.
22 vs a 16% UTG-openraise already has about 39% equity. I agree that its nearly impossible to realize this equity, but we have great implied odds vs UTG due to the fact that the range is so strong and can pay us off from time to time.
Vs. a 45% BU-open we already have about 47% equity which sounds even better.
But in fact, if i had too choose between both spots i would always choose to call 22 vs UTG (still not folding vs BU though), because the implied odds of hitting a set is way better here.
This of course counts for all the pairs you mentioned.

July 1, 2020 | 8:46 a.m.

I guess in theory this play is fine (your reasons for it are also solid), BUT...
1) I would size up pre beeing oop. More like 4-4.5x
2) Ppl tend to not fold anything after 2 FDs brick, which is why i would not do this play in general at the micros.
3) We bet pretty large OTT, so his range gets kind of stronger i guess.
4) Do you have any reads/stats about this player? This might change esp. this spot from beeing +EV to beeing too spewy i assume.

July 1, 2020 | 8:39 a.m.

Im reading these bot-threads from time to time (also at 2p2), so it might be a thing somehow.
But we shouldnt forget that poker is a game of tough swings that can crush souls.
There is also plenty of threads about this topic (here at RIO and at 2p2).
Im also on a pretty tough downswing for some weeks now. Been playing NL50 and now went down to NL16 to not loose my (usually solid) mindset.
You sound very frustrated and i do feel the same atm.
But most of the hands you posted happen to me these days all the time as well (playing at stars). Maybe there is a bot in between sometimes, who knows.
But hours/days/weeks and months that run like this are normal and if you want to be successfull in poker you have to deal with this.
Keep your head up or quit (or just take a break as already mentioned by others). Thats the only choice you have. Complaining about bots wont fix your problem!
Greetz and gl at the tables mate.

July 1, 2020 | 8:20 a.m.

playing a NL-hand vs a PLO-hand thats a quote from one of peter clark videos. Tbh. its even worse than this, because ppl are allowed to use every single card of this "PLO-hand"

July 1, 2020 | 8:10 a.m.

So i ran a sim on this one. Kind of suprizing results. Had to cut out some nodes due to lack of memory :(
So only 1/3 or 2/3 OTF beside checks and XR only 50% pot. Overbets allowed OTT/OTR.
1) So Solver hates betting this flop at all (98% check). I guess we are to much WAWB withour whole range and so there is no real reason to bet anything. Kind of suprising to me, becuase i would definetly want to bet like KQ/JJ/TT here. Solver also doesnt XR here. Differs just between XC and XF.
2) He bets AJ 2-4% of the time for 1/3 and then mostly follows the turn for same sizing.
3) Riverbetting then is heavilly polarized overbets: AT/TT/JT vs all underpairs and low SCs
Only betting the straight and Q9s for 2/3
checks everything else

July 1, 2020 | 8:07 a.m.

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