Great video! I am working through your "From the Ground Up PLO" course and this video compliments your series very well.
June 6, 2021 | 3:11 p.m.
I have played more 400 to 500 big blind pots in the past 4 days at PLO than I have in the past year at NLH. Nice to be on the good side of this 525bb pot.
I am still studying preflop ranges. This was a HUGE leak of mine prior to starting this transition. One of the big adjustments I had to make coming from NLH was thinking about pre flop pot odds and equity. It is more difficult to realize our equity when out of position in PLO. Therefore, playing multi way pots with marginal hands while out of position will get you broke very quickly.
I have a very long way to go but, I am feeling much more comfortable at the tables. I have been lucky enough to run fairly well here in the early stages.
June 5, 2021 | 5:17 a.m.
Aquila I appreciate the list of trainers you provided. I will check out each and make a decision soon. I am going to get some coaching after I navigate the "From the Ground Up" series, and get a good feel for the basics.
I really like the course! I am only looking for other resources because I need to rep the theory concepts that I am learning to help them stick. It is nice to watch a video on 3betting from the small blind and then spend a few hours grinding that spot on a trainer. I will pick a trainer once I get through the preflop videos. In all, there are a little over 50 videos and it takes me about an hour to watch and take notes on each video. It is pretty much going to take me the entire month to watch each video only once. There is a lot of quality content for the $$
I am playing 100plo and 200plo. I should consider playing lower while working through the basics, but I think I am pretty close to break even when only playing 2 tables. I am not great but the fish are terrible and just punt stacks. I got into a 3 way all in during a single raised pot on AKJdd. I had AQJT w/ nut bdfd and the other two players just had flush draws. One had TT68dd and the other had AQ98dd. This was a $700 pot at 200plo!! Pots like this will help me keep my head above water.
I have enough games running. I am only playing 2 to 4 PLO tables at a time right now. I can autopilot a couple tables of nlh if I only have 2 PLO tables going. I don't plan to really make any money from PLO until August. I will be happy to just breakeven over this initial stretch. I appreciate your feedback!
June 3, 2021 | 2:28 a.m.
lIlCitanul I think the program has a ton of value for the player type (new PLO player) it is geared toward. I am currently on Episode 12 and we are still navigating pre flop ranges. Emty is very detailed and his videos dive pretty deep into each topic. There are a little over 50 videos in the entire series. Most of the videos are around 40 minutes long and it takes me around 1 hour to get through a video with my own notes. I highly doubt you can find a better intro to PLO series for the $$.
I like that visions is browser based. That means I can use it from my phone while out and about. Thanks for the feedback!
June 3, 2021 | 2:02 a.m.
First observations from trying to study/play PLO.
1.) My pre flop game is terrible. I play wayyyy to many hands.
2.) It takes a lot of mental energy while playing PLO. This is going to be a very difficult transition.
3.) Games are soft but the variance is high.
4.) I constantly value own myself. I think many of the players are passive at this stake with made hands when they don't have the nuts. Therefore, they prefer to check call their Q hi flushes etc...
5.) Blockers are a much more important part of our bluffing range.
6.) It is much easier to tilt when playing PLO.
7.) I probably need to buy something like Vision soon to get in some reps vs. the GTO program. That would be a more cost effective learning experience. I could play smaller stakes but I don't like paying all of the money in rake.
June 2, 2021 | 4:58 a.m.
For some background info on me check out my previous journal.
I have wanted to transition into PLO for a long time. However, I have never committed to actually studying the game and giving it a real shot. Every once in a while, I would jump into the PLO streets to grind a couple thousand hands. The swings would be wild, and I would drop this pursuit quickly because of "running bad." I am a pretty big loser at PLO over my 25k hand sample, but I am a big winner over millions of hands at NLH. So why make the switch??
I am making this decision for three reasons. 1.) I have a full time job and there is no way that I can study NLH to the level required to be a high stakes crusher. So unless I plan to quit my job (not happening regardless of money), I will be a mid-stakes grinder for the rest of my career. 2.) I am tired of not being able to play in some of the juiciest games around. In my player pools, online and live, the best games can always be found in the PLO streets. I should be able to jump into a good 500PLO game with multiple fish instead of bum hunting the 1-2 fish in the 500NLH puddle. Game selection is key for a part time grinder. 3.) I like the challenge of learning a new game while I have the time this summer. I basically have all of June and July to study and play PLO before I go back to my full time job. I think I can learn the basics over that time period to be able to beat the 200PLO games and jump into the good 500PLO games when available. This will also allow me to jump into any of the live PLO games.
I still plan to play NLH during this time but most of my study and play will be at PLO. Here is going to be my basic routine for the next 2 months.
I plan to have this schedule Monday-Friday.
7-8 am~ breakfast, coffee, get the kids moving
8-9 am~ study PLO
9-11 am~ play PLO/NLH because the games are slow
11-1 pm~ break, lunch, do something with kids
1-2 pm~ study PLO
2-4 pm~ Play PLO/NLH
4-8 pm~ break, dinner, spend time w/ family, bed time routines for kids
8:30-9:30~ study PLO
9:30-11:30~ Play PLO
11:30-12~ Go to bed
My weekend schedule will be dependent on my family. However, I don't plan to study on the weekend. I will be focused on family and playing PLO with any free time. I have just started Emty's "From the Ground Up PLO" course. If you have any recommendations for other material to help me get started please let me know.
June 1, 2021 | 4:24 p.m.
Poker was put on the back burner toward the end of the school year. I was struggling to balance life, work, and poker so I decided to let go of poker until the school year finished out. I have played very little since my last post.
Current Perspective of My Game after 6 Months
I can crush 200nl and I am a small winner at 500nl. I have a better understanding of GTO, but I am no where near a GTO player. I have a much better understanding of playing SRPs in/out of position, and how to navigate 3bets from the blinds pre/post. I have an understanding of what I am trying to achieve with my bet sizing in SRPs and 3bet pots based on board texture. I have a better plan for turn cards and sizing.
I am clueless in 4bet pots, and I haven't really studied them much. The extent of my 4bet study is simply looking at preflop charts. My biggest weakness is playing SBvBB. It is difficult when ranges are this wide and we are out of position. Which is also why I suck at HU. It takes a ton of study time to perform well in this scenario, and I haven't been able to put in the time.
I am not going to crush 500nl anytime soon. Why?? 1.) Limited time to study. This is not my full time job, and I can't keep up with the regulars. Most of the same players play 2knl, 1knl, and they play 500nl. Most of them are better than me, and I won't be able to keep up. I am more or less breakeven against the weaker Regs and losing 1-2 bb/100 vs. the stronger Regs. 2.) The games fill up quickly when a weaker player sits at a table. This means that there is usually only one weak player at the table, and it is hard to get good position. The one weak player goes broke within an hour or so, and the table quickly breaks.
I have decided to finally jump into the PLO pool. I have always loved playing the game, but I have never actually studied it. I am going to commit this summer to beating 200 PLO. I just bought the From the Ground Up PLO course, and I plan to start a new journal to talk about my progress. I will still play NLH when the PLO games are dead but 75% of my play/study time will be dedicated to PLO.
Look for my new journal to keep track of my PLO progress. Good luck at the tables!
May 30, 2021 | 9:04 p.m.
Great video and I really enjoy the live play analysis from you. I would love to see a video from you that dives deeper into your reasoning behind going more exploitatively as you have progressed. Maybe a hand review session with some examples would be great.
I am confused as to why you labeled the player around the 11:00 mark a possible Rec because he 3bet BNvHJ from 2.25 to 7? A few minutes later you 3bet BNvLJ from 2.5 to 7.5. Why is his sizing worse than yours?
April 23, 2021 | 2:52 a.m.
I don't think T9 is the type of hand we want to be 4bet bluffing with. Generally you want to use hands with card removal like A5s, A9s, ATs, KTs, KJs, etc...
Without a read on our villain, I think it is just a fold. Most live players 3bet a fairly linear range that has your hand in a bad spot.
April 20, 2021 | 3 a.m.
I don't like 4betting this hand oop while this deep. Likely just folding pre unless you have a solid read on villains play. This might not be GTO advice but you need to limit your mistakes this deep until you are more comfortable.
April 20, 2021 | 2:53 a.m.
I have struggled this month to get in the volume I would like. I have been pretty motivated during my study time, but I am constantly losing focus during my sessions. Therefore, I have quit a lot of sessions early. I have a good habit of just quitting a session when I am not focused. I have played 18 sessions this month, and I have only played 8 sessions over 1 hour long. I quit a couple of sessions early because of family situations, but most of them were simply because I was not focused. I am going to call it an early night to get some good sleep and try to hit the tables with a higher level of focus tomorrow.
Here is my session chart for the month thus far. It started out pretty rough, but I got things turned around.
April 17, 2021 | 3:35 a.m.
Thank you Cory Mikesell that makes a lot of sense.
April 16, 2021 | 1:49 a.m.
It took me a while to come around to just calling the KK hand preflop in the first hand. I was jamming there all day, but I think just calling AA/KK in that situation is indeed a better option. Great job Owen Shiels !
April 15, 2021 | 4:06 a.m.
I like the video review with the solver checks. Great job!
April 15, 2021 | 3:57 a.m.
I am clueless about PLO but I am trying to learn. On the AKJT hand at the 4:00 mark...You say that we could size up because we have the Kd because it blocks his flushes. But would it be better to not have the Kd since he is more likely to call his 2pair hands that have a Kd?? I am assuming that villain folds to a big size with K9,K4, and K2 without having the Kd blocker. So us not having the Kd increases his calls from his typically capped range here. What do you think?
April 15, 2021 | 3:18 a.m.
Why are we 3betting this pre if we haven't studied this spot and we don't know much about our opponent? I understand this is a "standard" 3bet spot because the solver says so, but that is assuming we play perfectly. Which we don't, and you don't know how to play big pots out of position all that well with weak hands. So stop playing big pots with weak hands until a.) you have a read on your opponent which justifies this decision or b.) you are very comfortable in this spot and already know how to handle a raise.
You won't be losing any money by reducing your 3bet% for now. No one is going to exploit your tighter range and you will make less mistakes.