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It's interesting that snowie elects to 3bet all suited aces I personally discount some of them especially against UTG. Maybe AKs-A9s and then again A5s-A4s at some mediocre frequency. I would therefore 3bet KQs and KJs and I believe also sometimes KTs and QJs instead. Part from it comes from not having a flatting range in the SB at regular tables but it seems I'm exchanging some suited aces for the KQs/KJs/KTs/QJs stuff compared to snowie.

But I'm not saying snowie is wrong here

oh yup ty

I considered betting small too especially if we call bets anyway and are not really happy with a check-through against 4 players. If it was suited I probably wouldn't bet since fold equity should decrease and folding to a bet becomes easier with a flushdraw out there too.

As played given we catch the open ender on the turn I can't see how I'm folding against his 35BB bet into a 90ish (?) BB pot.

Don't take this as any form of official response @adytzoy. I might be a bit biased because I love Run It Once - but wait a second most of us do :) So try to read this as my thoughts as a player and not as staff.

First off, I kind of like that you brought up this topic. The purpose of this thread is to inspire discussions just as it happened on many of the other topics before where feedback was much more polarized than here until now (e.g. anonymous poker, table cap...). But I can very well get behind your feelings because similar thoughts popped up for me when hearing of streamR for the first time.

Well to be honest first I was blown away by the idea and possible impacts I imagined this to have for the success of the launch. Indeed my excitement for the idea was so huge that I wouldn't consider that I've ever seen it negatively. However, I asked myself the same question - does streamR make players feel obliged to start streaming even when they've never considered it or would probably never enjoy doing so?

Without wanting to take away any more official response I'm confident that this is not the idea behind this project. It just can't be - simply by definition. For every streamer there need to exist viewers. And usually they don't pair up equally else the streamer would quickly be frustrated (having one viewer). It certainly doesn't make sense to build a poker community where every single player streams and the people who once enjoyed watching streams feel obliged to shift to streaming. There need to be viewers as well. Maybe people like you and me.

Even though I still consider myself young :P I didn't grow up with the world of streams. I can imagine watching some warcraft 3 tournament coverage on youtube but that's about it. I also enjoy the privacy playing online poker offers at least whenever you feel like it. I'm not even sure if I would ever consider streaming - neither if I would enjoy doing so just because it's not the first thing that pops up in my mind when I think of grinding poker.

Should I feel obliged to stream then? Well the tricky thing is it gets more attractive the more I play - the more volume and the higher I climb the stakes the more rakeback effects are worth. But well ... who cares? Just imagine for a second splitting poker and streaming. Would I consider streaming warcraft 3 if I knew it would pay me $5/h? Nah... I just want to play. $15/h? I enjoy just playing. Would I do so if it's $25/h? Well sounds good but I used to coach tennis for $30/h up to 4 times a week - I prefer to do it as more of a hobby now because I enjoy it more like that. I don't think about the money I miss out on there either.

Does every great player need to become a video coach? (Well here at Run It once we would maybe like it :D) But not very likely nope... Does a high stakes grinder not interested in coaching feel obliged to coach where he, similarly to rakeback, would make more money with his videos the higher he plays? I doubt many do - either they enjoy coaching and the process of producing content or they prefer the consumer side.

I think I've come to the conclusion that even though streamR links playing on RIO Poker and streaming to some degree - it's still two different things.

I can assure you that the promise of Run It Once to assure games are beatable is not making them beatable for streamers and if you don't stream you're left behind. While probably the amount of streamers will increase and offer new ways to approach poker - the main rakeback post is still to come. And as I recall from reading the post, Phil was very concerned to make clear that this announcment will probably only raise excitment to people interested in streaming. For me it wasn't true - I still was excited but not because I will participate 100%.

Rather because there are all kinds of different players who will enjoy it:
- Players who think they'd enjoy to stream but fear they could never compete with bigger streamers and feel silly starting out -> streamR would give them incentive to dive into it and build sth they might have never had the courage to do else
- Players who already stream and maybe the only reason why they can make money of playing 30hours poker/week is because they stream all of it. I'm sure many of them will end up becoming great players eventually but the objective to already make a considerable side income or even living on low stakes tournaments while learning the game just adds variety to the world of poker
- Players (who like myself) have never thought of streaming but maybe will try some short sessions. Some of them will decide it's not for them but some may fall in love with it and it will increase their passion for poker

Streaming poker still promotes the beauty of the classic game of poker - just through a different form of media and through people who enjoy participating.

So I wouldn't overrate this post for all who don't like to stream. This post has a big influence for spreading the word and marketing and especially for all people that consider or soon want to consider themselves a streamR. But for regular players it's no reason to change the way you enjoy poker.

Here is an attempt to comprise the most variety in a very short list of coaches for finding your pesonal study attempt:

NLHE 6-Max:
Paul Atwal provides lots of live play sessions but has some of the most popular theoretical videos of 6-max concepts in the mix. His video How to Study and Improve: Study Habits, Hand Review, and PIO sounds like a must watch when you're considering getting involved with solvers going forward. One of my favorite videos is his check-raising video: Check Raising the Flop From the BB w/ PIO

Peter Clarke has a very practical and methodological approach to his videos. While he offers a wide variety too he makes a great job breaking down important concepts (almost) from scratch which could be valuable when transitioning to 6-max. Some examples are his series on 3Betting: Three Types of 3-Bet Ranges which consists of two parts or his video putting a focus on overbetting: Overbetting Flops and Live Play at $0.5/$1 Zoom

Then there is Francesco Lacriola who starts almost every single video with a theoretical approach to a concept. However, he doesn't come short to provide the practical sides of the topics as well. You can almost refer to his whole library and you wil see what I mean but one great example is: Debunking the "Top of My Range" Heuristic which dedicates the first part to the theoretical approach before providing hand examples in the second part.

Then there is Tyler Forrester who offers a mix of mid stakes live play and one of the highest variety selection of topic specific videos. For instance: Rake Effects at Small Stakes or GTO Analysis: 3Bets in Blinds vs CO

Krzysztof Slaski is a fairly new coach to our team who kicked off his Run It Once career with a great series covering a Street By Street: Functional Approach to Game Theory in NLHE 6-max. Maybe this is a great series to check out before deciding on what to focus your further studies.

Of course you might very soon find that Ben Sulsky and Elías Gutierrez are must watch vids for every 6max player if you have an Elite membership. Ben especially has a big selection of the best and most profound theoretical NLHE 6max videos on the site (and probably on the plant :P) but maybe that's worth even more after you've built up some foundations. On the other hand I'm pretty sure there is not a single sauce video that would not be worth watching no matter the current stage of your learning progression. And since you're not new to poker but only to 6-max studying I could see that there is a lot of value for you in his videos.

NLHE FR:
Serge Pouliot and Julian Kopanskiy are the most recent Full Ring NLHE coaches on the site and you should check out their content for Live Play but also thematical breakdowns, for instance: C-betting as Button PFR vs Big Blind.
Julian also dedicated a profound series on exploiting the pool tendencies in current Full Ring games which I found very valuable: Range Research: Common Overfolding Spots

There are many more coaches especially in the 6-max crew I almost feel bad for not mentioning as well (Teunuss, Juan Copani, Mark Lammers...) but just take this as an inspiration of video types you could dive into and make sure to play around with the video filters to not miss out on other very relevant coaches.

Btw: In our Meet the Pros section you can quickly see what game area each coach is specialized in while also seeing which coaches are still actively adding videos currently.

As a final note as soon as you know which area to direct your focus to the Learning Paths -> NLHE will do a much better job of giving you an overview than my chaotic attempt here.

Thanks for all the great input everyone. It's a good point that I wouldn't 5bet bluff here vs two uncapped ranges so I can see how in theory just flatting range is nice Bingo 123 . I would have lots of trouble folding to SB's 5bet here after just coldcalling before - I think indeed weaker regs could decide to choose an aggressive line OOP with QQ and AK when sensing / misinterpreting the flat as weakness.

But at these stakes I can see how just 5betting and folding to the 6bet can be best as some of you said.

Hey EinzLkind - Any German outside of Schleswig-Holstein will be able to play.

Thanks for any further suggestion guys, we appreciate it. Feel free to keep them coming. We will consider each of them and then decide which ones we will add :)

that's a good observation! actually the Q here is a good card that would allow us to fold given he should never have AQs+o/KQs+o/QJs even with bd fd because he's sandwiched on the flop still. Without the overcard end e.g. a 4 or a 2 river I'd agree with OP that check-folding river is tough but here the Q makes a check-fold easier because it makes valuebets we beat almost impossible. I'm not sure how likely it is on a no overcard runout for villain to shove with TT/JJ/QQ on the 4-card straight but there's at least some chance he does this at least with QQ.

Seems like it's an exploit move if we fold though right? Given we will continue betting most of our Kx we have a pretty good bluffcatcher considering hand strength. I'm not sure about how bad the T is as a blocker given we block QT/AT but also block T9s and KTs+(o) which makes a lot of sense for his line on the other hand.

He could bluff A5s/A4s/A9s/AQo+s and then QTs/ATs (maybe even offsuit). There is a chance the SB range is wider here even if he might be a regular because the BB is shortstacked which could lead SB do a lot more flatting.

This could still be a good exploitative fold for the reasons JackPozzi explained. Maybe an easier fold if BB wasn't shortstacked but I'd say the wider range makes it closer.

I'd select to check KK/AA in this spot too where opponents both have the complete nut advantage (we have basically no sets and they have all - we have some two pair and straights though if we squeeze polarized here)

Hands needing more protection I think I'd shift to a bet flop / check turn line (e.g. JJ/TT maybe QQ)

Great video Mark! Agree to the first comment - I loved the mixture of GTO breakdown interfered with the different nodelocked pool tendencies. Also your range charts are awesome. I felt like they helped me understand PIO better throughout the whole video.

Trying to copy your style... ;)

Given we range villain
a) AKs/o only (solely hypothetical)
b) AA, KK, AK with almost no bluffs
c) AA, KK, AKs/o, A5s, A4s, JJ, maybe some KQo/KJo

In which situations (if any) do you guys think should we be inclined to favor shove over a call with QQ exactly here.

agree the HUD looks great

SamSquid <3

hey good to see that you could stop your results dropping. I think it takes quite some (basic) skills to become a break-even player (considering the rake). Now many would argue the NL10 player pools are a joke with many weak players and this is certainly true if you're already a winning player at NL50/NL100+. But imo as a player recently loosing in micros this is not a trivial process. Evolving into a player who plays as balanced as you can as your default strategy but with time learn to notice where your opponents will bleed money if you exploit it is not trivial.

In your opening post you said you lost a lot of money at the micros so I'd suggest you to accept becoming a break-even player as a decent mid-term goal achievement. I can imagine how it still feels like you're playing like poop because you can't even beat NL10 - but in reality you (might) have developed from a loosing micro-stakes player to a break-evenish player.

It's just natural for poker players to somewhat overestimate what pools you can beat and you're certainly on a good way noticing you have quite some leaks leading to the results and not blaming downswings. But just try to keep improving and see it as a progress if you've indeed become a break-evenish player by now. E.g. I wouldn't have expected you to develop from a (making up the numbers) -7bb/100 player to a +8bb/100 winner in just 10k hands. Even if you went from -7bb/100 to -1bb/100 it's a good progress and if you keep building on that you could soon be at +3-4bb/100 and so on.

Excited to see your next update.

The hand you posted is a very gross spot. Cut-off is pretty uncapped at this board and he would play all his full houses (22/JJ/AA/A2) like that. This should be 10 combos. Now given that we need 25%ish equity we would need to find 2,5 bluffing/weaker value combos from him. That is 2,5 of many of his QhX combos (e.g. AxQh KxQh, JxQh...TxQh would offer him 12-13 combos to pick from). Also, he could just be a maniac reading your sizing and turn check as weakness (i.e. you not having the Kh) and just wants to fire at you to fold a lower flush. In other words, he needs to be 100% imbalanced to having value only and 0 bluffs for you to fold your best bluffcatcher here. I guess if he insta-jams I'm seeing me folding here but else I don't think calling with the nutflush can be a big mistake. It could be however, I'm wrong and crushing players always find the fold here and are correct to do so. If you make this call with the Qh regularly it's a different story and then it might indeed represent a leak of you overvaluing your hand strength once you've commited lots of money in the pot already.

Lustig dich in deutsch zu hören und auch abgesehen davon cooles Video! Du hast es erstaunlich gut hinbekommen, dass sich garnichts seltsam angehört hat. Wenn ich mit jemandem auf deutsch über Poker rede endet das immer ziemlich schrecklich ;)

Hey ChaoRen123 thanks for sharing your feedback/concerns. We have received these concerns you shared before and we are aware that introducing the newest content to the learning paths is important to keep them a great place to study. I can assure you that we are updating learning paths but sometimes lag a bit behind. One of the more natural reasons is that we always tend to give the videos some time after they have been released to see if they qualify for a potential Learning Path slot. In other words, the Learning Paths don't claim to include each released video on a certain topic (not even all theory videos) but rather represent a selection of very well received videos that we think deserve special attention. While we make each decision individually likes and comments play an important role in the assessment. This is also one of many reasons why we're always happy when you like the content if you enjoyed a video :)

But I have to admit sometimes it's simply that things get a bit busy which is one of the reasons why the next update is already a bit overdue right now and I want to apologize for that. The last main update has been conducted about 3 months ago when we added around 100 videos to the paths. We're currently working on adding the next wave of new videos and indeed I think this update will include some valuable refreshments for your area of interest as we had many video releases from coaches like Francesco Lacriola, Peter Clarke and Krzysztof Slaski whose style will fit great into the Learning Path section. I'm happy to update here once this new collection of videos will be added.

On another note, we feel that all videos within the Learning Paths have value if you want to study the specific topic of the path. What I'm trying to say is if we'd feel that one of the videos doesn't deliver value anymore and is outdated or would even suggest things that could be considered false in 2018 we would not hesitate to exclude it from the list. Similar to what Kalupso stated we feel that if you consider the theoretical concept the coach is breaking down it will add significantly to your understanding of the concept. There is a reasonable chance that some specific examples within a 5 year old video need to be put into perspective especially if it includes player pool tendencies or player pool reads. But given almost all of our coaches don't encourage a "Here you have to do this..." style of coaching but rather a discussion of the reasonings and deeper understanding of a situation you should be able to notice yourself when some of the assumptions might not hold true 100% up to this day. In case of ambiguity, it's also a good idea to just get into the comments to see how others or even the coach himself feel. But I'd like to encourage you whenever you believe that a video in the Learning Paths is not relevant any longer - we're happy if you just PM us (e.g. Mikey Stotz, myself...) the video and we could take a closer look.

On a final note, we have already brainstormed ideas (and still are) how to provide better visibility on which the most current additions are while still preserving the general idea of a "Learning Path". Maybe we can offer an update here soon. If anyone has ideas on this regard we're always happy to explore them. Maybe it's one that we haven't considered yet.

In my experience, the size of the screen doesn't matter all that much (once you've reached a certain threshold) and resolution is the most important thing. For instance, I have way less trouble 4-tabling on my 14'' laptop screen (HD) compared to my 22'' 1680x screens just because of overlap and some sites start doing strange things when you make the tables too small (e.g. sizing down cards in a horrible way).

So I guess the question is if QHD is already good enough or if you need to go 4k. Of course then again once going 4k I wouldn't go too small ;)

Aaron Nadell have you played on your new screen yet? How many tables could you fit? :D

I want too! That sounds so nice :) it's a good point you make about monitors lasting so long. It's just hard to get rid off the old ones when they're still working fine. So it can't be a fault to go big when you finally do upgrade.

The design is cool haha. But I'm a bit confused trying to find EP and HJ opening ranges without limpers as well?

The ranges seem to look ok but there are some things at the bottom of the ranges I don't agree with. E.g. even the tight CO range imo seems a bit loose for micro stakes. Else I would've just said to use the tighter ranges for the micros because of rake. Maybe they're fine for midstakes.

To be more concrete I wouldn't raise 43s/45s nor 53s/64s/75s from the CO in higher rake environments personally.

Elías Gutierrez had some charts on his site zerospoker some time ago that were similar to snowie but also considered rake. I couldn't find them right now but I assume they're still there. If you're interested I've downloaded them so just shoot me a pm if you can't find them anymore.

Just wondering: In villain's shoes should we prefer bluffing this with AQ instead of A2-A5 because we strongly block MP's 3bet defending Kxs range? We block all AKo+s and KQo+s perfectly and there aren't a lot of other Kings in MP's range (KTs and maybe K9s against the tiny size).

Or is the showdown value of AQ worth more than the blocker effects?

hahahah :P

While you're at it: Elvish

haha :D

fiveplus5is55 did you already pull the trigger on your new desktop?

Has anyone here experimented with 4k screens and multitabling? My current set-up is a 14'' laptop + two 22'' screens with 1680x1050. I'm very happy with it but the moments the bad resolution annoys me the most is when trying to put tables on the screen ;)

I don't think I'll buy a new screen very recently but it would be cool to get some poker-related experiences with 1980 (HD) vs 2560 (QHD) vs 4K.