Despite this video not being 100% related to mental game or tilt, this hit me hard in the face, in a very good way. I feel that you gave me the key to unlock a good attitude and to solve most of my tilt/bad mindset issues. It basically feels like an epiphany poker-wise and I can't thank you enough for it.
Nov. 23, 2020 | 10:42 p.m.
Well then he may have QJss/QTss as well, but KJs/KTs too, depending on how degenerate/tilted he is. It's honestly a guessing game and it depends what you think he does with QQ-88, or hands like JdJs that block some of your natural bluffs, I don't have a strong opinion, but I agree with your thinking process
Nov. 18, 2020 | 11:51 a.m.
Yes, so basically because I am constantly changing my game and trying to play better my sample will never be big enough; this sample of 8k hands when cc is true was from a total sample of 115k hands~~ that's one of the reasons I would like to find other resources to think about it than my DB, because I'm limited by the sample size. We can even argue that calling in BB has nothing to do with calling any other position so my sample is even smaller
Nov. 18, 2020 | 11:18 a.m.
Regarding 1. playing one stake below (NL16 Zoom), but this field does not respect my 4bets from UTG, I've seen guys 5b AI QQ, call AJs, could be variance or my opponents having bad reads against me though. It's 5 handed so it's more HJ/MP than UTG, relatively speaking.
You have a point for 2., people could call because pot odds and they don't want their redline to go down 55 BBs in one hand or could be tilted etc. but I think it's a bad call vs field because I don't see many bluffs here (but it could be that people still make a bad call vs field although the field does not bluff enough)
Nov. 18, 2020 | 11:15 a.m.
You also get ATss/AJss/AQss/AJdd/ATdd to fold (most likely), let's assume he plays every AK/AA/KK/KQs like this (that's very pessimistic), you lose to 6/3/1/2 combos, so that's 11 combos that are never folding, your bluff needs to work 11.5/39*100 = 29% of the time, so I think it's reasonable.
If he's calling you with QsQd/Ax/99 that would be quite out of line and I would make a note of this.
Nov. 17, 2020 | 3:52 p.m.
I started again to play in 2020 after stopping CGs in 2015. When I stopped I was not paying attention to the fact that cold-calling could be an issue (and I would for 22 0% of the time in MP vs EP open for instance), but now it's something I see in many videos.
I get that at a full-reg tables it's convenient to not cold-call, because we'll get squeezed or pay rake when calling, and we have a somewhat capped range. However, in PT when I filter for "Called 2bet", I seem to be doing well except MP:
I cc 10/11/12% in MP/CO/BT, so I am assuming that I cc too much in MP to begin with and that because CO and BT can still act, I may play too many MW pots OOP which is detrimental to my winrate. The sample is small (116k hands total), and it's not because I win in CO/BT that I played well; maybe I would have been better off doing a 3bet or fold strat, maybe I ran very good, I just have no idea, and I would like to have pointers in order to know if what I do is correct.
How could I learn more about cold calling in details and the impact of the rake versus 3betting? Or learn about population tendencies and how it affects their winrates, some empirical evidence that cc'ing 22-55/A5s in MP is a losing play for instance, or the comparison of 3bet vs cc for the same group of hands. My general approach was to cc wide if there was any rec at the table left to act, or if a rec opened (so calling stuff like A5s/22 PF in such cases), and avoid to cc a lot if there was no rec left to act or a high squeezer. Recently I decided to cc wide only if there was a rec left to act in the blinds, but it's a "it feels right" approach, I don't have the sample to prove that my approach is the best. Do you know any resource that would help me with this? Happy to have a discussion ITT as well :) Maybe you can also post your winrates when "Called 2bet = true"? I did not find any "Essential" video here that was specifically going over this.
I don't need charts to follow, but rather be able to make finer adjustments than what I do and despite doing OK when cc'ing I am thinking that it's not likely the right thing to do if pretty much every coach out there tries to deter students from doing so.
Nov. 17, 2020 | 3:09 p.m.
I have been wanting to meditate for like 10 years I think, I just ordered "Dailyness" from Tommy Angelo and I would like to get into the habit of meditating daily.
Went back to playing Zoom games, it's very convenient and because you get a new table for every new hand I don't get as annoyed and it gets less personal.
Maybe the book of Peter here would help: https://www.runitonce.com/books/, the problem is that while I would agree with what he says (I read the free sample), I don't know how in reality I would manage to stay rational while playing poker.
Journaling isn't something I thought of doing (and I also have no idea how to approach it), and regarding coaching, well I think I'll get a coach when I try to move up to NL50 or NL100, right now it would be too expensive, I think NL16 is beatable, as well as NL25. Of course there's a chance that I am overconfident and don't realize that other regs are crushing me, if that's the case I will find it out quickly and get a coach sooner (and get coaching from my salary money and not the bankroll money)
I also should commit more to poker, i.e. spend more time on it in general, and be more selective with my non-work / non-poker activities. Paying back my loans or even part of it would be a huge win for me, and it's worth the sacrifice. (I would be sacrificing video games and dating mostly)
I wish you all the best Jeff, thank you for reading my posts and helping me.
Nov. 17, 2020 | 12:59 p.m.
23:35 - You have 44 BT vs EP open, SB has 50bb: why don't you call here? You will play much better than EP, and can get a lot from SB if you hit a set. Would it change something if there was a rec in the blinds with 100+ BBs?
Nov. 17, 2020 | 1:43 a.m.
Well yes, but I intend to be the guy that plays a lot (not really 50k hands but like 30k hands a month, which is a lot for a guy with a 9-5 life).
I don't find poker as amusing as when I started in 2008 for sure, but I would still rather do that than a minimum wage job (and I need the extra income). It's not like I am choosing between poker and travelling for instance
Nov. 14, 2020 | 1:33 a.m.
Thanks for the reply :)
Whats changed now? It is hard to change yourself or something, so if you quit before how you will deal with same problems now?
What changed is my life, I now have an OK-job, my net-worth is increasing every month (read: I can pay back my loans, net-worth is still negative). I also had hoped that not playing this game for a living combined with a 4 years break would make things easier. In a way, that is the case, for instance I am not thinking about suicide because of this game. When I used to play for a living I was having thoughts like "I really should have killed myself when I contemplating that idea during my depression because it was absolutely not worth getting over it just to have this shit life". Now, it's nowhere near as extreme, but I still have the issues described in the OP.
You start crushing and eventually you paid your loans (maybe took 1-2 years). Hows it feel?
Well that would be incredible, it would feel fantastic and it change my life for sure. I would certainly continue playing after that because making ~30k euros a year would help a lot in general, or for future projects.
Will say negative thing now - you can have breakeven year in poker, how would you feel about that? Will quit of keep playing?
If I break even in 2021, I would probably quit. This would mean that I didn't even manage to reach NL50, in that case I don't see the point. If I would crush NL25 it would be incredibly unlikely to have a losing/break even year.
That being said, I don't know what to think of these answers. Did you have something specific in mind? What do you think I should understand from this?
Nov. 13, 2020 | 2:23 p.m.
Reading your post, I don't think I was clear at all, because I didn't mean to say that about recs. I honestly don't mind that much losing to recs, I don't think that this game is purely random. The 41/10 guys are consistently getting destroyed in my games, by me or other regs, sure occasionally one of them runs good but in general they're being eaten alive and losing their money quickly. It's also the type of profile that is not aggressive enough, meaning that their raising ranges (preflop or postflop) is in general value-oriented so you need to give them credit if they raise you turn for instance, despite the fact that they got turn with a very wide range. Maybe you are calling too much when they have a set?
I also think that there are regs that are consistently winning at mid-stakes, and that they got there thanks to skill, not luck.
The part I am unfortunately not 100% disagreeing is about rigged sites, and I am embarrassed to even admit it. PokerStars introduced their cashout feature for instance, which means that when my opponent cashes out, I play against the house. They reduced their rakeback to nothing for winning regs, introduced things that suck for regs, and I trust them less and less. They increased the rake of tournaments by a lot as well. I would not be surprised if they tweaked the RNG ever so slightly in favor of losing players, to keep them playing for longer, so that games run longer and there's more rake etc. Again, I am ashamed to have this thinking process, I didn't use to be like this.
It's unlike any other competitive venue that has ever existed.
I 100% agree with this though :)
Nov. 13, 2020 | 2:13 p.m.
After a ~4 years break I decided to play poker again, out of interest for the game and also because I have ~58k euros of student loans (which is over 2x the average american student loan, and I live in a country where the average salary is 16k gross euro yearly). The loans happened because various issues (poor parents, terrible guidance, being too young & having a depression for a while). I have 1.8-1.9x the average salary of the country I live in, but it will still take me 10 years of deprivation to pay back these debts (I live in the capital, which is quite expensive vs the rest of the country).
So basically, I thought it would be a great idea to play poker and attempt to play at a level where I could pay back my loans quickly (say NL200 or above, but even if I would make 5k USD per year at smaller stakes it would help a lot).
Before I continue, I would like to clarify that I am absolutely not like this in real life, not even close. In real life, I would say that I am a nice person (and nice without expecting favors / sex / something back in return in the form of karma or whatever).
Since I stated to play again, I've had huge issues when losing to regs that I think are terrible, it's far worse to me than losing to recreationals, after all these guys are not trying to play this game well (at least, it's nothing compared to a regular), so when a reg that deliberately tries to be good and manages to win despite doing nonsensical things I am losing my mind*. For some reason, I feel that bad regs should lose 100% of the time (it is absolutely irrational and makes me a bad reg mental game-wise, not gonna argue that it makes sense). I started to be pretty immature in the chat, and on top of that I have problems with something quite basic in poker: variance. Every time I have a bad session I feel horrible, I think of quitting this game, I feel that it's a huge setback and that I am still far away from making meaningful money compared to my loans etc. Today, I had a losing session at NL16, I lost close to 10BI during my NL16 shot so far, and it's crushing me. I also know that it is ridiculous: I made ~100 buy-ins in 100k hands, I should theoretically not be worried and look at it in a relational way, tell myself that it's variance and that if I keep playing well, results will eventually come etc.
I read 3 mental game books (Elements of Poker, The Mental Game of Poker 1 & 2), had 8+ hours of coaching with Jared Tendler mostly back in 2013. I used to play poker at NL100+ for a living but I quit because it drove me absolutely crazy (and I busted my roll obviously, not really by losing but mostly by not winning and using the bankroll for life expenses etc. I never made enough money to pay back my loans which were taken between 16 and 21). I had the coaching with Tendler during my depression so there was more urgent matters let's say. He helped me tremendously feeling good life-wise, but we definitely did not work full time on my mental game (just a bit towards the end), but despite all this knowledge and work, here I am.
I don't want to quit poker, mostly because it can be another source of income and I am quite crushed by these loans, it's a huge burden on me and prevents from doing things I would otherwise do. I don't know what else could provide an extra source of income, if I did, I would seriously consider doing it (minimum wage is 4 eur an hour or so here). Any mental coaching would be probably too expensive (unless I could be certain that there was results, but after what happened with Tendler I am a bit worried that there's a possibility that any coach would not be able to resolve my issues).
What do you think I should do? Are there any resources that you think could help? (it does not have to be related to poker) Do you think that I should pursue something else than poker as a side hustle? Is there content here that you think would help me? (I still have to redeem 1 month of Essential membership that I got with the FTGU CG course)
I hope that reading my rant was not too painful (also because English is my 2nd language, I hope nothing sounds wrong/weird), and thank you if you did. I hope this thread does not come across as toxic, I genuinely feel hopeless at times and I don't know with whom I can talk about it.
*my results are reinforcing that belief and that sense of entitlement. Whenever I catch myself being humble and having rational thoughts like "Well maybe you suck and they know something you don't", I almost instantly think "Well if that would be the case most of the time, you would never have this win-rate"
Nov. 12, 2020 | 11:38 p.m.
I feel I need to find more on nuances of flop textures and their subsequent bet sizes
I do not possess such knowledge, I am full of leaks (in every street I fold too much vs cbet, fold too much vs probe/stabs, and I mean sometimes over 50%, also in 3bet pot), I have issues barreling turns (I cbet turns 41%), I play 33/23 in 6 max tables, I lose way over 10bb/100 at non-showdown, I defend my BB so wide that with some group of hands I have an over -100bb/100 lossrate.
Really, the only "GTO" knowledge I have comes from the FTGU course sold here, and it's very, very limited.
If you were a winning poker player a few years ago, you should still do fine at stakes like NL2, I recommend playing on top of studying. If you only study a) you run the risk of never playing because you can always study more and b) you won't put into practice what you have learned and as a consequence will forget a lot.
I read in a book recently an interesting analogy: someone could teach you how to bike, explain to you the physics involved in it very thoroughly, but it won't make you a good biker and chances are you'd fall the first time.
Oct. 23, 2020 | 7:05 p.m.
I also quit CGs in 2015 and started again this year, quickly bought the FTGU (which comes with an Essential membership) here and I play/beat NL10 very comfortably, I over 10bb/100 in over 50k hands NL5. You don't have to use solvers to beat the microstakes, and why should you aim to beat anything else after a long break? You can't really feel entitled to win, after all your competition has been learning for years to get better while you did nothing.
Obviously, the games are tougher, but if you're smart (and you say you are), study relevant materials (you are on the right website), you will improve very quickly
Oct. 23, 2020 | 8:36 a.m.
One small thing though. My population analysis has shown me that the earlier position people open the less likely they are to be folding to a 3bet.
I am exactly in this group, partly because I think I simply have more playable hands and also because the later I open, the more I open to steal exploitatively, if there are only tight players left to act I would be opening a lot but fold a lot to 3bets.
I tried 3bet or fold for the same reason but didn't find it to work out for me. By playing 3bet or fold I was denying my opponents a lot of mistake opportunities. A common one is where they cbet too often OOP. When we 3bet or fold we deny that opportunity
I would tend towards cold calling IP if there's a weak player left to act for instance, but if I am readless or there are high squeezers left to act then I think this strategy has a lot more merit.
Thanks for the answers!
Oct. 2, 2020 | 10:38 p.m.
thanks for the thorough reply.
I am sorry for no being clear in my initial post - I was trying to focus on 3bet or fold situations (hence why I brought up the SB episode where Peter advocates to 3bet or fold, and the situation where he described a "no calling range" spot for BT vs CO). I understood the differences and the why's of Merged and Polarized (with: Value 3bets | Calls | Bluff 3bets), I was trying to understand the logic behind constructing a "read-less" 3bet or fold range, vs unknown villains. I also think that at microstakes it makes sense to default towards 3bet or fold preflop because of the very high rake. That being said, your post was a very interesting read for me nonetheless.
I assume that it will depend on:
-How many players are left to act (vs EP we 3bet a different range from MP or BT)
-Who opens (from SB we 3bet a different range vs EP than vs BT)
-Our position (vs CO, we may 3bet less from SB than from BT, because we would be OOP - not sure about this, but it seems likely)
So basically, I would like to understand how the 3 points above affect a linear 3bet strategy, and be able to answer myself questions like "What should SB 3bet vs the 4 other positions?", "What should CO 3bet vs MP?", "What should BT 3bet vs EP?" etc. (and by 3bet I mean linear 3bet, no calling range).
Sept. 29, 2020 | 7:57 p.m.
I understand and appreciate that Peter wants to teach "why" instead of "what", I agree very much with the arguments of episode 6, and "why" SB should 3bet or fold, but I miss the "how", in order to get to the "what" myself. How do I decide which hands to 3bet? What is the process of constructing these ranges? Obviously it won't be the same vs EP/MP/CO/BT but the examples cover only CO/BT and mostly 1 hand instead of talking about a range. Because of the games I have access to, a lot of players are unknown or the sample is too small so I would like to construct default ranges, but first I would like to understand the logic behind it.
Likewise, Peter talks about "Polar vs. Linear 3-betting" and there's an example of CO vs BT, this time he gives one range example but a) we don't know the thinking process that led to creating this range and b) suppose we'd estimate that we should 3bet linear from MP/HJ/CO or BT vs another position than CO, there are no ranges and no way to come up with ways to construct them. (I would like to clarify that I don't want ranges, but more a reasoning behind creating the ranges).
Do you know if there is a video here at RIO that clarifies these points?
Thanks a lot