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278 points

I'll ignore the random photo at the top.

The correct answer is 2 value to 1 bluff.

Your calculation from the "aggressor's side" doesn't make sense: your aim is not to win $0 (you can achieve that result by just folding).

May 19, 2019 | 12:44 a.m.

CO vs BTN your 3-bet range should be fairly wide. Not sure what you're 3-betting exactly, but probably most suited Aces would fall in that range.

OTF, both c-betting and checking are fine. You should have plenty of weaker Aces to check, and this hand benefits somewhat from protection. You can also bet small with most of your range on this Ace-high flop.

If you check back flop, bluffcatching with this hand seems fine. Obviously, having a spade would be nice, but this hand is good enough.

May 18, 2019 | 12:19 a.m.

This is the way I think about it:

When you value bet, you need to be ahead of his calling range.

Is Tx going to call your big river bet on this scary board? Probably not.

Two pairs (which ones? 76s and 75s mostly) may either raise flop or turn or may not call your river bet.

Meanwhile 8x (and 3x) hands will almost all take this line.

Finally, when you value bet and get jammed on, you have a bluff-catcher. Is your bluff-catcher good enough? Probably not.

May 16, 2019 | 5:38 a.m.

3-bet pre seems somewhat loose, but once in a while it's ok.

Flop is good for preflop caller. Depending on your range, you might even have the range disadvantage here. Therefore, I would polarize my range on the flop already: check with a lot of my range and bet big (3/4 pot or pot) with the rest. It's also ok to check entire range here. Though betting 1/3 pot can't be bad here.

Since you're deep and OOP, and quite likely have a range disadvantage, it's good to play conservatively.

I think turn bet is too small. You would have almost no fold equity with such a bet on this board. I realize that you don't really want your opponent to fold when you have a set, but you want to be thinking about your range.

River is really bad for us. I would probably check/fold. Block betting (1/4 pot or something) might also be ok, but block betting is tricky to balance.

When you bet and get jammed on, it's probably a fold. I can't think of a single value bet that you beat, and he has a ton of straights here. You have some 8x and 3x but not as many as Villain.

When Villain has a big nut advantage, it's ok to let him bluff you sometimes. A set is not a great bluff-catcher.

May 16, 2019 | 3:07 a.m.

Both SB and BB seem very loose. SB has 43% VPIP and BB has 70% VPIP.

The SB donk is a bit concerning, but the board is very coordinated and he could be donking all sorts of junk. You have middle pair, OESD and backdoor FD. Too much equity to simply fold flop. And you're in position.

I would call and see what happens.

May 16, 2019 | 2:18 a.m.

Villain's flop sizing is very weird: he bet fairly big on a dry A-high board. Then he overbets turn and river. He's saying that he has AA?

I think that since he can have lower flushes, you have to call. There's also a chance that he's value-betting KT.

May 16, 2019 | 2:05 a.m.

Comment | belrio42 commented on AJo skviz pot

SB vs BTN 3-bet pot, ranges can be fairly wide. Both of you could have all the sets here (you may not have 55). You have more overpairs. BTN has 55 for sure and could have J8s. BTN may not have JJ.

OTF, I think equities run fairly close, so you might want to size up on the c-bet. Though, since BTN has a fairly wide range, 1/3 pot is fine.

OTT, I like the check. Probably check/call is good, but some players like to probe a lot on the turn against a check. You can check/jam turn against these players because he should have a lot of bluffs here after he floated flop; and if he has Jx, he might call your shove. If you had a club, I would prefer to just call in the latter case as well, to allow him to bluff river.

River you hit two pair so you have to call. For all you know, he could be value-betting 54s or a random Ax hand which floated flop, probed turn and then hit top pair on the river. He could also be bluffing with air, thinking that this is a scare card..

May 16, 2019 | 12:31 a.m.

As you say, J8s is way too loose to open from UTG for 3x sizing. If the blinds are nitty, you're really hoping to take the pot down pre. Since BTN called, you should play extremely cautiously postflop. BTN doesn't know that you're opening garbage, so he should have a pretty strong range to call your raise.

I would have just folded J8s pre, nitty blinds or not. Maybe J9s is ok to open, though even that is loose.

Since you're OOP against a strong range, you should check flop. Especially with middle pair, it doesn't make too much sense to bet flop, unless you're already turning your hand into a bluff. Are you?

It might seem nitty, but you should consider just folding flop after the raise. His raise is pretty big. You were lucky to hit two pair on the turn; otherwise you would have had to fold to any bet on the turn.

May 16, 2019 | 12:09 a.m.

Turn does hit BB's range better than UTG, but BB checked the turn. So it's completely fine for UTG to bet here.

It does not hit your range too much, so I am not sure why you went for the bluffraise. You checked back the flop, so what are you representing here? A set? If so, why didn't you bet with your set on the flop?

Its hard for me to put him on hand or even range so i decide to bluff him,

This reasoning does not make sense to me. Every time you're making a bet, you're making an investment with (hopefully) positive ROI. Would you put your money in an investment scheme which you know absolutely nothing about?

Just fold.

May 15, 2019 | 11:54 p.m.

In my experience playing with loose/passive pools, the raising ranges tend to be fairly tight (often absurdly tight). I tend to attack their limping ranges and leave their raising ranges alone for the most part.

So, I don't do a lot of 3-betting, and when I do, I use a very tight range. You can definitely include some bluffs in your 3-bet range, because people tend to play against 3-bet rather straightforwardly.

Against tight ranges (assuming one is getting decent pot odds), the usual play is to call with implied odds hands. Good implied odds hands also tend to be hands which play well multiway, so you want to just call and keep the rest of the loose/passive players in the pot.

May 15, 2019 | 2:44 p.m.

BB did x/r on the flop.

May 14, 2019 | 2:58 p.m.

May 14, 2019 | 12:41 p.m.

If you think opponent plays very aggressively, you should tend to call with medium strength hands IP to let him hang himself.

OTT, you have top pair and FD. I tend to play pair + FD-type hands as if I didn't have the FD. So, here, you have top pair medium kicker, which is a middling-to-fairly good hand. You can either call or shove, but I prefer call.

If you shove, he's going to fold most of his bluffs (which make a good portion of his range). Against an aggro opponent, I would tend to call down almost all rivers with top pair.

May 14, 2019 | 10:22 a.m.

If you buy GTO+, you get a license for CREV for free. I haven't played around much with CREV, but GTO+'s functionality seems to be a superset of CREV's.

Flopzilla is a nice range visualizer, but you can do basically the same thing in GTO+ as well. However, Flopzilla is very cheap and useful.

May 14, 2019 | 8:58 a.m.

You're fairly deep, so calling pre with suited Ace is fine.

Flop is good for preflop caller. I would bet here. If he has a pair (or even overpair), you can make his life miserable by barreling on various runouts. When you're deep, the value of position goes up.

Some aggro people like to implement a full range check strategy on this flop; against such a strategy, checking flop with most of your range is ok. That said, this hand is still a good bet.

I think if you check flop, you should also mostly check turn. The offsuit Q does not help your range or your hand.

May 14, 2019 | 1:42 a.m.

The squeeze seems rather small. From OOP, you want to make it a bit bigger. A pot-sized raise would be to 1.15. So 1.1-1.2 seems a good sizing.

BTN only has 3.7 to start the hand. He flatted the open, so it's likely that he has some middling pocket pair, some broadway or suited-connected type hand. He seems passive, so he could be flatting his entire range.

Anyway, flatting the squeeze (of size 1.2) would represent a third of his stack so it doesn't really make much sense to flat. All the money would likely go in preflop. If he does flat the squeeze and if I flop anything at all, I would just shove the flop.

Here, you would have had two overs and a gutshot; so if he has a pair you would have 10 outs to improve. He could just have a flush draw or straight draw or something and decide to call you off. You both only need 33% equity postflop, and likely would have it with any decent hand.

As played, the stack sizes are rather awkward. He did flat preflop and can play fit or fold postflop. It's close, but probably check/folding is fine. With a heart, you can probably shove flop.

May 14, 2019 | 1:28 a.m.

In CO vs SB 3-bet pot, ranges should be fairly wide. CO should call with most suited Aces preflop and some offsuit ones.

Flop is fine.

On the turn, I am either looking to get all-in with this hand, or play cautiously.

I would sometimes check the turn with this combo and sometimes bet. I would bet turn mostly if I have AK without Kd. I am mostly checking AJ and lower Aces.

In either case, if I bet, I would use a geometric size to shove river. People find it hard to fold top pair. If he has two pair or a set, well, tough luck.

You should generally go for value with your good combos and mix in appropriate bluffs. That way, he cannot overfold to exploit you.

May 13, 2019 | 11:54 p.m.

Comment | belrio42 commented on nl100z spewing

Multiway, ranges can be a bit weird.

Is the turn bad for your range? As the BB, you probably have more two pairs than either opponent. Some two pairs became boats and some (like your hand) are still top two pair. Even if you raised flop with some good Qx hand, the 4 shouldn't really hit your opponent, so if your hand was best on the flop, it is likely best on the turn.

So if you bet the turn with your best made hands and some of your good bluffs, you should be fairly balanced.

May 13, 2019 | 12:39 p.m.

Comment | belrio42 commented on nl100z spewing

Why check turn? You only lose to overpairs, trips and boats. Overpairs and trips are very unlikely and you block boats. I would probably bet turn to charge draws and get value from Qx. BTN called a min-raise from UTG so he could have pretty much any decent suited Qx and some offsuit ones.

River is tough. If I'm betting I prefer block-betting. Betting river big after turn checks through doesn't make much sense to me. Check/calling is gross but probably best.

May 13, 2019 | 12:25 p.m.

Thanks. Do you also play regular tables, and if so, do you have stats on them?

May 13, 2019 | 8:03 a.m.

About 200k hand sample (both stakes put together).

Yes, poker in India is relatively new, so I'm guessing the pool is rather more juicy than the more established markets. I'm interested in how far the pool tendencies diverge from the more mature pools.

Also, keep in mind that these are regular tables (there's no Zoom option). Zoom tables tend to be somewhat tighter.

May 13, 2019 | 8:02 a.m.

I play 50-100 NL (equivalent) on an Indian site. Regular tables. Traffic is not high, but ok.

Could some people share some basic player pool preflop stats, so I can see if my player pool is typical or very different?

In my pool, a few stats:


VPIP: 36.48
PFR: 14.24
RFI: 19.45
3bet: 5.00
4bet: 1.86
Limp preflop: 23.83


VPIP: 34.5
PFR: 14.8
RFI: 20.85
3bet: 5.11
4bet: 1.71
Limp preflop: 20.37

My own preflop stats (all stakes):

VPIP: 28.66
PFR: 21.06
RFI: 32.32
3bet: 7.12
4bet: 2.25
Limp preflop: 5.78

May 13, 2019 | 6:48 a.m.

Good luck in your games.

Speaking as someone who is playing at roughly the same stakes, some comments.

I generally play a somewhat LAG game. Whenever I move up in stakes, I end up playing too many hands. Because the skill level of the higher stakes is slightly higher and the edges lower, many of my marginal hands get me into a lot of trouble.

So I find that playing a little bit tighter at the higher stakes helps me. I don't become a nit or anything, I just ditch some of my most marginal hands pre and post.

May 13, 2019 | 6:30 a.m.

Comment | belrio42 commented on Ajo OOP

This seems to be an MTT hand. You might want to post in the MTT forum.

Since the stacks are fairly deep, this plays like a cash game spot.

In general, I like to play a 3-bet or fold strategy from the SB. A hand like AJo doesn't flop super great and there is some value in knocking the big blind out of the pot. However, if the BB is passive, then flatting is often ok.

The problem with flatting AJo is that it is very dominated by MP+1's range. MTT ranges are a little wider than cash game ranges (due to antes). So, you're left with the situation here, where you're often guessing about your opponent's range. Your own range is weak and narrow because you didn't 3-bet.

Without reads, I would probably call turn and probably call most rivers; because you don't block any flush draws. There is also a chance that he's value-betting AT or some low suited Ace, or that he has AJ himself.

May 13, 2019 | 3:38 a.m.

In general, against extremely tight ranges, you should only call with implied odds hands. So, mainly pocket pairs.

JTs is probably close as a call preflop, but you should only continue postflop if you flop something good.

May 12, 2019 | 9:28 p.m.

Any info on Villain?

I think this river is particularly bad for you. I can't think of a single value bet that you beat. This is probably your one of your best one-pair hands here (maybe you have JJ in your range as well?), so it's close. Perhaps call TT with a club and fold otherwise.

May 12, 2019 | 9:23 p.m.

His range as 3betting here should be narrow, like jj+, AK, AQs+. I have range and nut advantage as i can have sets and straights and he cant.

What is your range to continue to the 3-bet?

If you think his 3-betting range is so tight, then you should maybe fold preflop and definitely fold flop. On the flop, you have two overcards and some backdoor draws. Definitely not enough to call against an extremely tight range.

If your range to continue to the 3-bet is something like TT-22,AJs-ATs,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,AQo

you are actually a 60-40 underdog on this flop.

Your exact hand has less than 20% equity against his entire range (he may not c-bet his entire range). So you can't call a half-pot flop bet profitably.

As played, he did go for extremely thin value on the river. But the line "3-bet pre, bet, bet, jam" is very underbluffed. You should have plenty of two pairs, sets and straights here, so you don't need to call down with top pair bad kicker.

May 12, 2019 | 9 p.m.

Comment | belrio42 commented on Redline Problem?

In addition to the comments above (which seem fine) just a small note.

I generally do not focus on the red line and mostly focus on the green line. Remember that stats depend on your player pool. If you play well, stats take care of themselves.

For instance, in my pool, people (recs especially) 3-bet tight, so I overfold to 3-bets (which are not shoves). This hurts my red line, but probably helps my green line.

May 12, 2019 | 5:30 p.m.

I would bet smaller on flop. In 4-bet pots, SPR is low, so you should bet smaller.

I would check turn, since there are very few river cards that are bad for you. When you have top two pair, you block opponent's calling range very heavily. You have the redraw to the nut flush and a full house, so you can check/call any bet.

Checking also protects your range, since you have almost no flushes in your 4-bet range.

May 12, 2019 | 4:06 p.m.

I don't know your range to call pre, but I doubt that you have a range advantage on the flop. You do have more 8x, but that's it. If you have a decently wide continuing range, you should have plenty of other hands which completely missed the board.

River is probably a fold. You probably do not have a lot of value hands which take this line, and you don't have a lot of fold equity. It's ok to almost never bluff here, because your opponent is never folding. If you want to bluff, I suggest you do it with KcJc, since it has no SDV and it doesn't block any backdoor flushes.

May 12, 2019 | 11 a.m.

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