Winston Chan
54 points
Actually one more question - in your second(?) example - you said that having the 10h is neutral to positive EV. Why would that be the case? I would imagine a lot of the heart draws are shoving on the river - or is the other way around?
Dec. 15, 2023 | 10:22 p.m.
Always the best poker lectures! Can you link the Damon Doink essay on downswings?
Dec. 15, 2023 | 9:48 p.m.
Not sure if you had mentioned this in a prior video (going through the archives) - but what does it mean when solver provides a solution on the turn that is mixed. For example, both protection betting and non-protection betting. Is it that we have such a range/equity advantage - that we can now treat our marginal value hands requiring protection betting?
Nov. 28, 2023 | 11:35 p.m.
Great video as always!
Nov. 26, 2023 | 8:35 p.m.
Love these videos! Also, I had a question regarding your comment about how river play is very important in our turn strategy. Does it also matter with flop - meaning that how we play our flop strategy is dependent on what we do on both turn or river, or does it not matter as there are to many variables and too many branches of the game tree to say that both turn/river is important for flop play?
Nov. 22, 2023 | 2:15 a.m.
Nice post!
Feb. 17, 2022 | 6:13 p.m.
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Nov. 21, 2021 | 11 p.m.
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Sept. 14, 2021 | 6:45 a.m.
Can you give more of your thought process on the turn raise? Is it because we have blockers to the top of his range (with the 7), and the 2c doesn't give him additional equity? Would it make a difference if he bet half pot?
Aug. 7, 2021 | 3:20 a.m.
Great video! This is definitely a spot where I need more studying. I had a concept question that you had mentioned in your video. When you say "building a range from our vulnerable one pair" (paraphrasing) - what does that mean?
July 7, 2021 | 12:42 a.m.
Agree with JoeAdams about betting this flop as the standard play. As played, I think you can call turn since you probably have 10 outs to the river - and you are getting 3:1 on the bet.
At 1/3 NL, IMO, I would just play an exploitative strategy. There really isn't a need to balance since these players aren't really picking up on hand ranges, bet sizing, etc.
June 14, 2021 | 4:19 p.m.
I would check turn as well for the reasons other have mentioned here. In addition, the turn card improves opponents range.
As played, I would check back river. It is hard to find for three streets here.
March 22, 2019 | 4:38 p.m.
I think I would bet more on the flop (approx. 200). Everything else is fine.
March 22, 2019 | 4:32 p.m.
I like c/c the flop here. We are building a pot with a mediocre hand oop that is very vulnerable to a lot of turn/river cards.
As played, I would check/call the turn. We really don't have any fold equity on that turn. That turn hits villain range very hard.
March 22, 2019 | 4:28 p.m.
Raise flop; since its multi-way, it gives great odds for flush draws to continue.
Feb. 15, 2019 | 9:45 p.m.
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
MP: 106.84 BB (VPIP: 19.94, PFR: 15.89, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 662)
CO: 42.84 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 104.84 BB (VPIP: 9.52, PFR: 9.52, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 44)
BB: 165.84 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
UTG: 459.62 BB (VPIP: 25.91, PFR: 18.62, 3Bet Preflop: 2.25, Hands: 256)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ah Ad
UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8.62 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 5.62 BB
Flop : (18.74 BB, 2 players) Ts 7s 3s
UTG checks, Hero bets 13 BB, UTG calls 13 BB
Turn : (44.74 BB, 2 players) 5h
UTG checks, Hero bets 28 BB, UTG raises to 438 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 50.38 BB and is all-in
River : (201.5 BB, 2 players) 8d
0.48 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.
On the turn, I am thinking he shoves with a lot of overpair with spade draw combos / combo draws. What are your thoughts?
Aug. 13, 2018 | 12:19 a.m.
The flops that I have seen him play do not indicate he is a really aggressive person on flops. I will definitely take that into account next time around.
Aug. 12, 2018 | 9:07 a.m.
That makes sense - and now that I think about it - are weighted more to suited aces.
Aug. 12, 2018 | 9:06 a.m.
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BB: 112.84 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 10.29, Hands: 187)
UTG: 99.9 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 34.78, PFR: 14.49, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 71)
CO: 38.4 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
Hero (BTN): 111.3 BB
SB: 205.44 BB (VPIP: 30.76, PFR: 23.79, 3Bet Preflop: 8.06, Hands: 686)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7s 7h
fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.86 BB, fold, BB calls 1.86 BB
Flop : (6.22 BB, 2 players) 7c 8s 6s
BB checks, Hero bets 4.44 BB, BB raises to 15.54 BB, Hero calls 11.1 BB
Turn : (37.3 BB, 2 players) 3c
BB bets 26.58 BB, Hero calls 26.58 BB
River : (90.46 BB, 2 players) 5c
BB bets 67.86 BB and is all-in, fold
0.48 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.
I decided to call flop and turn instead of shoving because I felt that more often than not - the caller would dominate me. If I shove flop, I would think any combo straight draw/flush draw would call / maybe 78 or 76 / 66, but those combos seem less likely than 910/54 combos. By the river, the board run out is terrible and opted to fold. Should I have shoved on the turn or called river? If the river was a blank (not completing the flush/straight draw), I would have more likely called a shove. What are your thoughts?
Aug. 11, 2018 | 7:38 p.m.
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
Hero (MP): 110.76 BB
CO: 121.76 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BTN: 226.72 BB (VPIP: 30.65, PFR: 24.19, 3Bet Preflop: 8.65, Hands: 581)
SB: 90.5 BB (VPIP: 18.03, PFR: 8.20, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 64)
BB: 105.78 BB (VPIP: 34.21, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
UTG: 251.68 BB (VPIP: 37.04, PFR: 18.52, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jh Jc
fold, Hero raises to 2.86 BB, fold, BTN raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 7.14 BB
Flop : (21.5 BB, 2 players) 4c 4s Ts
Hero checks, BTN bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB
Turn : (37.5 BB, 2 players) 9h
Hero checks, BTN bets 14 BB, Hero calls 14 BB
River : (65.5 BB, 2 players) Ad
Hero checks, BTN bets 31.12 BB, Hero calls 31.12 BB
0.48 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.
By the end of the turn, I am putting his range heavily towards flush draws / combo draws / overpairs. I call on the river because I am assuming that he will bet all of his flush/straight draws that missed on that scare card. Is that a good assumption to make or is my read of his range too wide?
Aug. 11, 2018 | 7:32 p.m.
Villain had AKo
Aug. 5, 2018 | 8:11 p.m.
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
UTG: 23.44 BB (VPIP: 40.63, PFR: 10.42, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 97)
Hero (MP): 134 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.91, PFR: 27.91, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 45)
BTN: 129.64 BB (VPIP: 20.07, PFR: 16.61, 3Bet Preflop: 8.18, Hands: 297)
SB: 101.72 BB (VPIP: 29.20, PFR: 25.55, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 143)
BB: 160.84 BB (VPIP: 25.40, PFR: 17.46, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 64)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9s 9h
fold, Hero raises to 3.4 BB, CO raises to 10.4 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 7 BB
Flop : (22.2 BB, 2 players) 6d 6s 2d
Hero checks, CO bets 6.96 BB, Hero raises to 28 BB, CO calls 21.04 BB
Turn : (78.2 BB, 2 players) Kd
Hero bets 36 BB, CO calls 36 BB
River : (150.2 BB, 2 players) 4s
Hero checks, CO checks
0.96 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.
I am having trouble against villains that have a wide 3-bet range. I usually like playing post-flop than 4-bet as I want to get better in these situations. In this situation, I raise the flop to protect my equity against his range (i.e. any broadway / Axs). I opted the turn bet just because I feel it would have to be a c/f against all of his range that floats. However, thinking about it retrospectively, any pp that I beat would opt to check back turn and go to showdown, and all the draws that floats the flop (I would imagine) now has a made hand on this turn. What are your thoughts?
Aug. 5, 2018 | 1:57 a.m.
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
MP: 98.8 BB (VPIP: 33.64, PFR: 28.04, 3Bet Preflop: 15.63, Hands: 111)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.53, PFR: 18.37, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 50)
BTN: 104.92 BB (VPIP: 21.97, PFR: 16.90, 3Bet Preflop: 5.59, Hands: 369)
SB: 102.8 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (BB): 160.2 BB
UTG: 106.72 BB (VPIP: 19.81, PFR: 16.91, 3Bet Preflop: 9.21, Hands: 212)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has As Ts
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB
Flop : (6.4 BB, 2 players) Tc 5s 3d
Hero checks, BTN bets 4.56 BB, Hero calls 4.56 BB
Turn : (15.52 BB, 2 players) 9h
Hero checks, BTN bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB
River : (35.52 BB, 2 players) Td
Hero checks, BTN bets 26 BB, Hero raises to 142.64 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 61.36 BB and is all-in
0.96 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.
On the river, I was wondering if I was too aggressive with the river shove. I believe JJ-AA / any weaker 10x would call in this situation, but wanted all your thoughts if that is reasonable or not.
Aug. 5, 2018 | 1:45 a.m.
I would flat turn. The turn raise multi-way would probably signify strength than a combo draw, and so we would be called far more often by hands that beat ours. I might even consider folding river with that run out, but I might be to nitty.
Aug. 3, 2018 | 8:08 p.m.
The line is fine. The river did not change the board texture that much so I would imagine any made hand calling the turn would call the river.
Aug. 3, 2018 | 7:55 p.m.
I am currently playing 25NL / 50NL. Also, what you said makes me feel a lot better. I thought I had a glaring leak that I needed to fix up. Thank you!
Aug. 3, 2018 | 4:36 p.m.
In my PT4 graph, my money without showdown graph trends down gradually. I tend to believe that good players will always have that line stable or trend upwards. What are some fixes that you all have found to make that line stable or trend upward?
Aug. 3, 2018 | 6:41 a.m.
I want to join. I am a losing 50NL player, and play 1/2NL live. I used to play a lot during 2009-2013 but quit.
July 27, 2018 | 5:52 p.m.
Fold 3-bet. You do not have absolute position, and do not have the A high flush draw if it occurs like on this flop. In addition, I do not think people at these stakes are loose 3-betters so even if you flop a pair - you may be crushed.
As played, fold to the all-in. You may be dominated with a better flush draw or made hand.
What a nice after-Christmas gift!
Dec. 27, 2023 | 8:20 p.m.