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Post | TheLove_Below posted in NLHE: NLHE Discord study Group

Im a 200nl reg. I have my own Discord group running with 11 people strong. But i do want to expand and get more likeminded people in it for the discussions. Most of our members are playing 100nl-500nl. We only ask for active participation from our members, and want to see the hunger and drive to push each other forward.

If interested DM me.

"A goal without a plan is just a wish"

Nov. 14, 2020 | 3:02 a.m.

flip burgers at mcdonalds if you need money so bad. i mean this is wrong on all levels.

Oct. 13, 2020 | 2:14 a.m.

Its probably an interesting spot to look into. I used to do this alot, which sacrificed alot of EV for me. In lower stakes, when everybody's limping, you have the tendency to limp with just complete trash in the SB/BB position, just so you can hope to hit.

around 95%+, your check/folding OTF. I mean, it doesnt look like much. but if running through 50K hand sample, thats alot of Sacrificed EV in your overall winrate

April 26, 2019 | 3:43 p.m.

I would add this combination in my 3betting BB range. since it has playability and BU raising range should be super-wide, where JKs is crushing its equity.
I mean i wouldnt even care if villain has low 3betfold%, since im dominating all of his TJ/JQo/55 type hands equity wise, while JKs flops well.

*) As played, i would call turn. and probably call most river. This is probably top of ur range. and with villains stats, he's not that tight to warrant any fold turns.

April 25, 2019 | 3:51 p.m.

I just cant see villain barreling 2-streets with bare 5X combination. ANd what combos of 5X is calling your C/R turn??

Whether or not to call here lies on the premises of how villain plays his turn hand range on semi-wet boards. If he's fastplaying his 2pair+ combos, then his river Jam is clearly a bluff with missed 6X/9X/ or FD.

*)GIven the SPR on the turn, its hard for me to imagine why if he has a strong range, that he wouldnt Jam turn, while waiting for river.

VIllains line is really unbalanced, and makes no sense. I would call

April 25, 2019 | 3:46 p.m.

Comment | TheLove_Below commented on KQo 3B pot

I mean you have to provide more stats for us to make a reasonable estimate of villains ranges.
I mean from basic Poker perspective:
1) He didnt 4bet, which we can take out AK/QQ+ from his range. and since we have QK, we block AQ and AK.
2) Theres a missed FD, which villain could be jamming river on a missed Draw.
3) Villain should have minimal combos of 3X in his 3bet flatting range
4) You have K(h), which takes out alot of villains bluff combos.
5) I mean when you checked turn, your range is Capped at QX, which VIllain might be punishing you for.

I would fold more , since dynamic wise, you 3bet preflop, bet flop, and called a turn bet.
You can still have AT/AJ combos in your turn calling range. And if he's a reg, he should be somewhat balanced OTR.

I would fold

April 25, 2019 | 3:40 p.m.

i think 10 point gap would be too huge, and shows that your defending way too wide.
i dont have my HUD. but something like 24/18/8 is my avg stats.
But i was filtering through my database. My 3bet is super high in SB vs LP raise scenarios.
And also BU vs MP raise scenarios.

*)WHile MP/HJ are usually on the tighter side, with BB being above avg

April 25, 2019 | 3:33 p.m.

I mean what Backdoor FLush does he have here. 8(c)X(c)/A(c)X(c) that floated flop. Given he's semi tight preflop, i wouldnt see him floating much here. I think your either losing to a bigger 9X like A9/K9/ or 88. Given the sizing, its more of an exploitable fold, where you marked that villain is incapable of bluffing enough % times in this spot. I would call default, since i want to see what villain has.

*) And he could still be bluffing with his 67s/TJ combos here in this spot where he missed.

April 24, 2019 | 4:30 p.m.

I disagree with your modeling. Since on every street you have to trim a portion of the ranges out from your preflop assesment of his overall hand range.

Vs a Jam in this river spot, your equity should only be around 30-35% a rough estimate. Since VIllain could have all combos of JJ/44/88 in his river jamming range. A(c)X(c) combos, A(c)A which your beating, and some weaker Flushes like TJ/JQ/TQ of clubs.

I mean for you to call here, you must have a read that villain doesnt slowplay his 2Pair+ handrange on Wet boards. I would still call personally, given u still dominate alot of villains raising value range.

April 24, 2019 | 4:25 p.m.

more player or population dependent. I mean you shouldnt widen the 3betting range too much, since your hands would play very tricky postflop given range disadvantage of looser ranges.

I would adjust more towards a linear 3betting range, where broadways playability is alot easier compared to bare AXs time hands.

April 24, 2019 | 4:08 p.m.

I mean if VIllain is opening only 7%. I think most of his hand range is Broadways/JJ+ hand range, which actually makes the flop favor villain alot more in terms of connectivity. I wouldnt want to bet the flop, since i wouldnt want to be faced with a C/R on the flop, if villain does that, thus making our drawing hands bad in terms of pot-odds to continue.

*) I dont hate the call given the Q(d) and K(d) blocker effects.
VIllain clearly doesnt have the following value combos
QK/AQ/AK/TQ/TK/JK combos of diamond flush given blocker effects.
your only losing to probably AT or AJ diamonds here.

*) I cant see him raising 89 diamonds here, given he doesnt have it in his preflop raising range.

Furthermore, you can still be beating hands like QQ/KK/QKs which he is jamming for value.


April 24, 2019 | 4:04 p.m.

Depends on you overall flop/turn strategy. and whether or not to add this combo into the mix.
Default i would just call this hand vs unknown. But i would deviate if for example this players flatting hands like TJs/22-99/ vs 3bets. where 3betting JQs is in my linear 3betting strategy for value.

Another reason why i wouldnt 3bet is. its a HJ vs MP hand, where both are relatively early position and hand ranges are more narrow.
I think the dynamics would be different if it was played as SB vs BU. ANd default i would raise JQs in SB. overall i think u played it on the loose side.
IM old school where i still model hands with CREV. i think given reasonable parameters, a hand like JQs is clearly a call OTT vs value-ish C/Raising flop range.

April 23, 2019 | 6:27 p.m.

i dont understand why you would 3bet a 6% PFR villain from early position.
I mean his overall hand range. This is what 6% opening range looks like
(99+,ATs+,KJs+,AJo+), it clearly has you dominated hot and cold equity.

*) You have to realize that villain is never folding when he C/Raise+Bets you on 2-streets.
for your hand to be +EV jam OTT, you must also realize a certain % of Fold equity here too.
I mean your looking at around 30-35% equity ball-park vs this villains calling range. I would just peel and play rivers

April 23, 2019 | 6:03 p.m.

I think this is more tailored towards how wide or how tight is Villains 4bet calling range. And how wide VIllain is capable of Jamming for value.
you shouldnt see any 22/ or 66 in villains overall hand range here, since i would assume the general players at this stakes calling with them. Your losing to 1 combination of TT/ 3 combos of JJ/ and probably 2 combos of TJs. and even with TJs i dont see much 3betting with.

idk if you have any river stats. if villains river aggression is around 20-30%, i would lean towards a fold. I cant possibly see AA 1-pair handrange being at near good frequency in a 200BB pot. I mean, generally in these decisions you should be playing more exploitatively, and gearing your tendencies towards villains stats.

April 23, 2019 | 5:46 p.m.

I mean, i personally dont understand why u were barreling on the flop or turn given that your hand has showdown equity. If u had either the A(c) or K(c) i thought it made more sense, where your building the pot to stack off OTR.

Your solving the river scenario through an GTO perspective, but given its 5NL, do you think that villain will really be jamming light here?
If he was bluffing with his SD+FD, wouldnt he have raised on earlier streets as opposed to the last street.

3) Lastly, if you had a K(c) or A(c) with blocker effect, this makes it more call, since your blocking his overall value range. and players at 5NL arent jamming random 2-pairs light here.

Given scenario, clear fold.
Check flop

April 23, 2019 | 5:39 p.m.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players

UTG: $78.77 (158 bb) VPIP: 27, PFR: 15, 3B: 3, AF: 1.2, Hands: 1309
MP: $58.77 (118 bb) VPIP: 24, PFR: 20, 3B: 10, AF: 2.0, Hands: 1062
CO: $184.26 (369 bb) VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 1.7, Hands: 732
BU (Hero): $107.99 (216 bb) VPIP: 32, PFR: 21, 3B: 9, AF: 2.1, Hands: 90963
SB: $22.51 (45 bb) VPIP: 20, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 4.5, Hands: 866
BB: $32.34 (65 bb) VPIP: 34, PFR: 16, 3B: 12, AF: 2.0, Hands: 91

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with A♠ 3♠
2 players fold, CO raises to $1.11, Hero 3-bets to $4, 2 players fold, CO calls $2.89

Flop: ($8.75) J♥ 8♠ 9♠ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($8.75) 8♥ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $11.47, CO raises to $33.33, BU (Hero) folds

1) Villain was semi-raising light In the CO. I wanted to 3bet isolate to play a bigger pot with him. My logic was we're both 200BB effective. I am drawing to the nuts, and i have positional advantage over villain, which was my reasoning for 3bet iso.
2) I mean the flop is such a bad board for me. It crushes villains overall calling range. I mean he should have all combos of 88/99/ some % of JJ/TQs, and low frequencies of 89s.
Flop i thought was pretty standard.

3) I was confused OTT with his double check. Since i would assume he's leading out with all combos of 8X/99/JJ/TQ/JX for value and protection. Also, we're both deep, as the SPR is 1-11.
He checks. The logic i have with my Overbet is i capped his range at weak JX. I should have all QQ+ combos, some 99/JJ that i would also play this way. I dont think i have TQ. and potting with A3s, i could still realize equity vs his hands such as TX random OESD.

4) WHen he raised me, i was confused but ended up folding, since now given board paired, im not drawing to nuts. and i cant possibly see a logical person bluffing at relative enough Frequency vs my Overbet line here.

April 23, 2019 | 5:26 p.m.

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Sept. 30, 2013 | 6:08 a.m.

OP, if you have the Money for 2/4 Live, then why dont you deposit more online, and try to move up in stakes, where i think its far more profitable than your Live Ventures.

I'm no expert at Live games, but the setbacks of Live grinding 

1) Slow pace, not enough hands to establish your edge in these games. Its impossible for your edge to be that great within 100-200 hands frame of time

2) Rake is pretty ridiculous, My Casino is 5-6% or more i think, which i think is absurd, and cuts directly into your hourly. And include the fact that we all tip after every winning hand

3) I just think the opportunity cost lost at spending time grinding Live far outweighs the money you can win from those games.

Sept. 17, 2013 | 4:52 p.m.

glgl, I would definetly like to see him discuss more on Theory Concepts, given the chats we had. 


Sept. 16, 2013 | 2:23 a.m.

I remember seeing a video of Ansky and his friend do a dual-video. Thought it was the funniest thing ever. 

Sept. 14, 2013 | 1:29 a.m.

thikn of how you would play your whole set of ranges CHael, and then pick the most plausible line, where you range is still uncapped. I think Betting turn makes your whole range fairly unbalanced. 

Sept. 13, 2013 | 3:34 p.m.

Your Turn C-betting range is wide CHael, if your betting turn, your overall hand range is skewed towards Bluffs.

By Betting river, Your Range is fairly POlarized, where you Turn a whole chunk of VIllains hand range into Bluffcatchers. You can basically manipulate Bet-sizings OTR to your own benefits.

Think of how you would play different parts of your ranges OTT??

Sept. 13, 2013 | 6:55 a.m.

this is such a interesting hand, since VIllain can have anything in this spot. I really cant give u a precise answer

1)He can have all combos of 67/9T/69/T(c)Q(c) type hands that he's turning into Bluff into this spot. 

2) He can also have all combos of J8/88/55/TJ+ in his Value raising range OTR. 

*) Based on experience, I usually see some % of bluffs in these spots, so i wouldnt discount the possibility of VIllain turning his Missed draws into Bluff OTR. 

GTO-wise this should be a call OTR. 

1) THings Mush that you should factor in when calling is, whether this player is a reg, or whether you think you have an edge VS this opponent. 

If Villain is going to play longer, then I dont mind calling, and losing 1 BI, where Im able to better understand how VIllain Plays his ranges.

Sept. 13, 2013 | 3:15 a.m.

Dont really like the turn bet, since your range is pretty Bluff-oriented in this spot/ Hard to be balanced on this turn card. 

Even the river wasnt 5X, i would be more inclined to delay C-bet OTR, if VIllain checks back second time, given his overall hand range is face-up as Showdown type hands.

River: easy VB. I think TT+ is in my river value betting range. 

Sept. 13, 2013 | 2:25 a.m.

OP, Whenever i try to analyze a hand, I'm more objective in terms of how the hand played out, and the breakdown of the Overall hand. GIven how the hand was PLayed out, I just dont think VIllain is 

Taking the Call/Call/Pot line with hands like Q4/K4s, which are hands that have Showdown Value. By giving VIllain such a wide assumption as "12 combos" I think is too much in this case, given most of the Bluff combos you've assigned VIllain is Likely either C/F, or C/C on this river card. 

*) I dont feel like doing a full-street EV analysis, but just by looking at the hand, I can tell you that the Overall EV of VIllains Strategy of Bluffing us OTR is essentially -EV, and that by folding a hand like 2-pair in this spot, doesnt make us Exploitable, given the Board Texture.

Sept. 11, 2013 | 3:29 a.m.

Comment | TheLove_Below commented on poker library

Trust me OP, I've read all the books you've listed above, and thought they were massive to my Game. (except Hwang PLO book)

1) Ed Millers SSNL/ Harringtons Volumes= are THeoretically based, you can glean so many insights on how to play theoretical Poker. Teaches you the premise of EV calculations

2) Phil Gordons Blue Book/Gus hansens Book= I thought those were revolutionary books when i read them, given i was able to understand the thought process of Pro's and how they analyzed various hands

3)M.O.P= Probably the most underrated Poker book out there. It's a pretty hard read. Given it's a textbook type book, i wouldnt recommend to you, if youre just willing to skim the book

4) Ebooke= My Favorite was Balugawhales Easy Game, thought it had many Logically sound foundations.

Bobbo's was decent, but isnt really applicable in todays game

LTBR was just a waste of Money imo, since it didnt give enough info that was worth the price.

Sept. 11, 2013 | 3:11 a.m.

We have below PSB left OTR. I dont see how you can balance with 2 various bet-sizings in this spot?

Sept. 11, 2013 | 3:02 a.m.

actually didnt, then my default line 

is check/check On both Turn/RIver Street. no value in betting, if u assigned VIllains such a strong C/R range

Sept. 11, 2013 | 3 a.m.

look more into youre effective stacks OP.

Sept. 11, 2013 | 1:44 a.m.

I think this is a pretty good spot to 3-barrel, given VIllains range is Capped, and i think AX river card seems like a good Bluff card, especially if VIllain is C/C 2-streets with hands like 9X

Sept. 11, 2013 | 1:42 a.m.

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