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Muehlenzwick

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Hey,

was wondering if you think there is any inherent (dis)advantage on choosing the starting flight. There are tournament series where with starting flights monday through friday and there are like 30 people in it on a monday and 500 on friday. Do you think there is any edge to be gained here by choosing a starting flight with higher # of players?

My thoughts were that when playing with 30 people - although in practice your never going to get that many chips - there are less chips that can be won theoretically, so theres maybe a disadvantage?

What do you think?

Aug. 8, 2019 | 9:21 a.m.

they are in the text of this very opening post

July 22, 2019 | 1:55 p.m.

Flop bet is bigger than I would bet due to a few factors: our broadway-heavy range, rainbow texture (no FD semibluffs for you, no FD calls for villains), multiway flop (in short: you have less equity), and our blockers to JT and 88. We just shouldn't get a ton of action, so we should size down. I probably bet $2.

that makes a lot of sense to me and i will definitly implement this next time.

I generally only pot blank turns (which this isn't quite; spade draw is new), and usually only heads-up.

i think this reasoning contradicts what you said in the first paragraph (bc you said you size down, when theres no FD semibluffs and no FD calls). So i fail to understand your reasoning for only potting blank turns. could you try to make me understand your thought process?

July 22, 2019 | 10:36 a.m.

appreciate your reply. While being tight preflop is generally a good idea folding this hand against a 3bet is way too tight. Were talking BUvsSB calling a 3bet from a Loose/aggressive / close to maniac villain.

Thinking a little more abstractly about it... facing a PSB from the preflop 3bettor... I honestly don't think I have a raising range at all here.

thats an interesting idea. i think that makes sense, because you dont have many bluffs in that spot although your taking away your ability to raise a hand like JT9x repping a 8 and taking the pot right away like in this hand.

July 22, 2019 | 10:05 a.m.

Any thoughts about the KQJ8 and A832 examples? Really would love to hear about that.

July 22, 2019 | 9:39 a.m.

the longer i think about it, the more i am shocked that i raised that sizing.

Any thoughts about the KQJ8 and A832 examples? Really would love to hear about that.

July 22, 2019 | 9:39 a.m.

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (5 Players) BN: $95.64
SB: $44.01
BB: $50.00
UTG: $50.00
CO: $51.95 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is CO with 7 T Q 8
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, BN folds, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25
Flop ($5.25) 9 6 8
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.86, SB calls $3.86, BB calls $3.86
Turn ($16.83) 9 6 8 3
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $15.99

July 20, 2019 | 1:04 p.m.

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BB: $58.61
UTG: $79.48
MP: $24.20
CO: $48.07
BN: $55.45 (Hero)
SB: $138.56
only about 40 hands on villain at the time of playing, but he was on the loose/aggressive donkey side with about 65/35/14
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is BN with T 8 K 9
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, SB raises to $5.75, BB folds, Hero calls $4.00
Flop ($12.00) 8 8 7
SB bets $11.40, Hero raises to $45.60

July 20, 2019 | 12:56 p.m.

I also fold flop, bc
- hes betting potsize into 4 people
- high SPR OOP with a hand that has marginal redraw potential. (Outs to twopair, BDFD, BDSD)
Although im not as confident that its the right play as koky .

As played i think im only c/c turn. Apart from the Th we have no blockers or redraws and there are a billion ugly rivers. I think your settting yourself up for exactly the spot your ended up with very often.

Call me a nit, but as played im also folding river. KT8x is a reasonable hand to call with here, because of the T, but just from a population read stand point i dont think you are getting bluffed enough here on the river. Additionally, villains line makes absoulute sense to have a hand like JT9x or something like T876 or 5678. I would also assume in villains shoes that with you checking the river your capped having no straights as you would be shoving them OTR i think.

interesting hand though

July 20, 2019 | 12:09 p.m.

i appreciate your in detail reply and realize i shouldve elaborated a bit more on the preflop dynamic. Your definitly right in terms of opening AK86ss. Im not opening this hand under regular circumstances. However, in this specific case there were a few things coming together.

  • we were only 5 handed
  • CO a huge nit/playing very straight forward
  • BU Loose/passive guy like 44/9/3, so im not at all concerned.
  • SB is a straight forward TAG to which im in position with 200bb
  • and obv biggest factor in position the huge maniac (villain) with 360bb in the BB

I am by no means thrilled to open this hand UTG, but it will be veeery difficult to convince me not to open this hand under said circumstances.

regarding OTF and OTT:

IP with almost no redraw, OTT I think there's merit to checking. Against this villain we can win a bet from worse on the river pretty often. Against a more passive player, I do think it's a pretty easy value bet. Even here, I don't hate the bet, but the high SPR, our precarious standing (no redraw hardly at all), and villain's tendencies could be reasons to check back.
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wholeheartedly agree here. could not have said it any better. Do you mind sharing your opinion on the decision what to do against the c/r as played here? devwil

July 19, 2019 | 9:46 p.m.

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (5 Players) BB: $186.30
UTG: $250.40 (Hero)
CO: $91.90
BN: $187.05
SB: $110.89
Villain playing 97/37/30 over 200 hands. Although by definition not applicable, note that he was raising and c/r cbets around 30%. In general also aggressive, but did not braindead dump chips into the pot.
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is UTG with A K 6 8
Hero raises to $1.75, 3 folds, BB raises to $5.50, Hero calls $3.75
I think theres nothing to discuss here. Folding out of the question. 4betting seems too light for me.
Flop ($11.25) 5 6 9
BB checks, Hero bets $5.67, BB calls $5.67
I think this hand should be check backed here, because hes very capable of c/r me. which is not the end of the world with this hand, but still not good. Also the hand is really not that great. Yeah i have an 8 and a BDFD, but other than that its way low in my range.
Turn ($22.59) 5 6 9 7
BB checks, Hero bets $16.95, BB raises to $72.31

July 19, 2019 | 12:47 p.m.

thought that too at first, but i think 30 seconds is just right, because often times there is a key concept, that takes something like 1-3 sentences to explain and i would like to hear that again to take note. 15 seconds may be too short, but you could obviously argue that i could just press the button twice, which makes 15 seconds probably the better option.

April 10, 2019 | 2:22 p.m.

Proposal to include this kind of feature into RIO videos. Would really like to see that.

April 10, 2019 | 1:26 p.m.

sorry, no chance i can read it. resolution is way too low

April 1, 2019 | 3:01 p.m.

could you include a table of contents? im on the verge of buying it, but wanna see whats in it first

April 1, 2019 | 1:47 p.m.

hijacking your thread to add, that you should include the table of contents in the read sample.

April 1, 2019 | 8:39 a.m.

Hey, really enjoyed your video, but have one idea for improvement:

Please include a short VISUAL summarization at the end. For example some bullet points with the key concepts your trying to get to your audience.
Im making notes, while im watching, but its good to have a reassurance at the end, that i got the point of the lesson right.

March 29, 2019 | 8:13 p.m.

Hey,

could you please migrate the forum to tapatalk? Its a (app)service, that lets you browse your favorite forums on mobile with proper formatting, etc... Im sure your familiar with it anyway.

Would be very nice!

best regards
muehlenzwick

March 29, 2019 | 8:26 a.m.

you dont have TopSet here. you have TopPair weak kicker and a BDFD. Definitly checkback flop. Probably also checkback turn, as that card does not improve your hand at all, but it could very well improve villains range.

March 28, 2019 | 7:04 p.m.

Phil Galfond

so 3betting flop with hands like this might be important for preventing opponents from check-raising with reckless abandon and no consequences.

Villain is most likely not aware of it and not trying to exploit us. Do you think it is still important to do that against unaware opponents? Not to be unexploitable, but to give him the impression that we always seem to have the right hand in the right circumstance?

March 23, 2019 | 11:21 a.m.

Thank you very much for your in-depth reply. very insightfull for me.

"Flop: Why you want to keep em in the hand, fold-equity is never bad."

Because if i raise i most likely fold out all the lower Twopairs and especially flushdraws and only keeping ATxx, KKxx, QQxx and JJxx in the hand. Hands against im mostly behind, maybe close to flipping against.

The river I usually dont check, the risk you lose value by other players checkin behind straights or trips is pretty high.

i cant count the times this happened and wanted to die. your so right!

As a default I lead out pot for max value because you are folding lots of KQxx ott and that makes your betting/raising range otr disguised and pretty polarized, polarized bets need to be big otr.

I think that makes a lot of sense, especially from a gto perspective.

March 23, 2019 | 10:53 a.m.

im guilty of this line too, but i dont think we should be stabbing this flop against your described opponent, because he's just too likely too continue to make it profitable. But when you do, id suggest to bet smaller and then barrel at least the turn.

If i learned one thing, its that its not a good idea to put money in with hands that have SOME, but not by any means good showdownvalue like yours and then give it up so easily on later streets. If you show weakness like you did, he will try to get you off your hand. I always hate myself, when i take those lines :D

March 22, 2019 | 6:22 a.m.

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) CO: $63.00
BN: $49.84
SB: $112.90
BB: $190.07
UTG: $76.12
MP: $55.43 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is MP with 7 8 8 T
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 3 folds, BB raises to $3.00, Hero calls $1.25
Flop ($6.25) 9 A 8
BB bets $3.00, Hero calls $3.00
Turn ($12.25) 9 A 8 A
BB checks, Hero checks
River ($12.25) 9 A 8 A 5
BB bets $11.64

March 21, 2019 | 3:10 p.m.

Why would this be a surprise? You basically have 4 outs, not even clean ones on this flop and UTG is smashing this board with his 4betting range. Obv close to only AAxx, but depending on how aggressive your 3betting the occasional AKKx and AKJTds, AQJTds.

March 21, 2019 | 3:01 p.m.

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) UTG: $43.46
MP: $50.00
CO: $115.96
BN: $8.80
SB: $70.08 (Hero)
BB: $81.66
table was super donkey with lots of small raise (like preflop here) and many donkbets. especially CO did donkbet/stabbed a lot of flops
MP (Openraiser): 46/28, was minraising every hand, he decided to open
CO: 84/40 over small sample
EP: 34/12 (dont have any reads)
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is SB with Q 8 K A
UTG calls $0.50, MP raises to $1.00, CO calls $1.00, BN calls $1.00, Hero calls $0.75, BB calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.50
Is it a mistake to not 3bet here, if you anticipate you will be OOP against minimum 3 players? I know this hand is super premium, but my experience in those kind of situations is, that i do not have a profitable spot, because i always have to c/f unimproved or even have to fold on later streets. It is because of the SPR of about 3-5 which i dont like.
Flop ($6.00) Q J K
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO bets $3.00, BN folds, Hero calls $3.00, BB folds, UTG calls $3.00, MP folds
I could have led the flop here, but against FIVE players i think i will often just get raised by ATxx, the others will fold (which is a shame) and have to stack off flipping. Also because i knew CO was stabbing a lot i checked.

Option to c/r here. Although i dont think CO has ATxx all that often here, i dont think i should raise here. Wanna keep them all in the hand.
Turn ($15.00) Q J K 2
Hero checks, UTG bets $8.41, CO calls $8.41, Hero calls $8.41
Planning on c/c against CO, but suddenly UTG throws in a bet. CO calls, i call (again, dont see a reason to raise here)
River ($40.23) Q J K 2 K
Hero
ding, ding, ding! Here is why iam mostly posting the hand. Do you think its a mistake to check here against these donkey players, that proved to throw in random bets all the time? I found it very reasonable UTG checks and CO takes the betting lead again repping exactly a hand like mine (which would be believable imo). I think both of them thought i was super weak and no threat.
Should i just donkbet here? If so, how large?

March 21, 2019 | 2:55 p.m.

I think it depends highly on how much fold Equity you think you have and therefore how aggressive he is barreling the turn. I also like c/r against aggressive opponents here, because you realize some more Equity on the river, when you hit some weak twopair you would need to fold to another barrel, right? Small point, but imo still remains.

Otherwise against unknowns and tighter/passive players im All for Just calling the turn.

Jan. 17, 2019 | 1:32 p.m.

"This board likely gets checked through a lot as well, so I think you
can start making them feel indifferent and pressured right away by
betting something like 1/3 pot. It's very possible there are multiple
sizings with a lead, but the board is pretty locked down and larger
sizings I think make it easier on all of them within this dynamic."

i assume your talking about flop action up until that point? i agree with sizing down on a locked down board, but do you recognize this flop as locked down? I dont see it as that.

The texture and your blockers make me think UTG's turn calling range is filled with a lot of FD's/combo draws. He likely doesn't have that many two pair+ combos at all, so the river should hit his turn calling range pretty well. He also has to worry about the BTN who called the turn as well, so I believe players in UTG's spot tend to play more straight forward and unbalanced in that spot.

completely agree on this part. makes me think i should not call here. totally different story, if we are headsup OTR.

Jan. 16, 2019 | 3:04 p.m.

Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players) BB: $25.00 (Hero)
UTG: $25.00
MP: $32.38
CO: $31.16
BN: $20.68
SB: $25.00
Only read is that UTG raises aggressive preflop. something like 40/38, but sample size is weak. only about 30 hands.
Preflop ($0.35) Hero is BB with 7 6 8 A
UTG raises to $1.15, MP folds, CO calls $1.15, BN calls $1.15, SB folds, Hero calls $0.90
Flop ($5.00) 4 5 2
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BN checks
Turn ($5.00) 4 5 2 7
Hero bets $3.15, UTG calls $3.15, CO folds, BN calls $3.15
River ($14.45) 4 5 2 7 K
Hero checks, UTG bets $9.55, BN folds, Hero folds
Final Pot UTG wins $13.84
Rake is $0.61

Jan. 14, 2019 | 1:02 p.m.

Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players) BN: $55.83
SB: $25.00
BB: $27.05
UTG: $40.07 (Hero)
MP: $19.43
CO: $29.00
BTN: (VPIP/PFR/3bet): 48/15/18 and has cbet so far 4 out of 4 of his flops. but only 27 hands. Cant remember what hands i saw, but he striked me as a aggresive player so far.
Preflop ($0.35) Hero is UTG with 7 T 8 9
Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds, BN raises to $2.90, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.05
Flop ($6.15) 9 Q 5
Hero checks, BN bets $5.89, Hero calls $5.89
I have second pair+double gutshot (one to the nuts)+BDFD here. Against unknown i would always only call here, but i considered raising against this opponent. One reason being stack sizes because so i could decrease his advantage of position. But i wasnt confident enough in my read so i only called.
Turn ($17.93) 9 Q 5 3
Hero checks, BN bets $8.50, Hero raises to $31.28 and is all in, BN calls $22.78
His betsize looked weak and my hand is to strong too fold here. Also the turn doesnt improve his range at all. So i decided to go with my hand as i thought i have decent fold equity and didnt want to c/c and fold unimproved river.

Jan. 14, 2019 | 12:38 p.m.

Hey Leszek,

just wanted to say im blown away by your psychological education videos. Your vids are so well thought out and your calm style of speaking and the immense experience you have in this field is so incredible valueble. You litteraly can feel the knowledge you have aquired in every second of the video.

great work, keep it up. im a huge fan of you!

July 9, 2018 | 11:53 a.m.

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