He shouldnt be raising so big vs your limp. He shouldnt be going more that 3.5 this swallow. If you think he is going crazy cause of the smaller stack you could limp jam this hand with so much money in the pot. Cause he is never doing that with top of his range right? I think calling with this hand PRE is pretty weak. You will be OOP with a hand that cant make top pair often enough, it's a hand that plays bad OOP in a pot with such low SPR and we can see by his flop play, you will have a hard time realising your equity. Thats why I would prefer limp/jam or limp/fold depending on your reads. As playedI dont even know what I'd do postflop, I wouldnt expect to have fold equity and would probably sigh call once on this board but maybe we should be folding.
Your range is not really capped when he uses that sizing preflop, SPR will be 3 on the flop so I would probably always be calling AA, KK and not shoving. You dont have AK, AQ but you can have AT, AJ some of the time and a lot of suited aces.
Aug. 16, 2019 | 2:54 p.m.
I get what you are both saying but I just cant see the need for protection with this hand, it has every runout covered. AJ, AQ, AK need much more protection imo. Plus if we bet the flop what turns are we betting? We cant bet on broadway turns, if we turn the FD I don't see how we can bet the turn with AT vs an UTG range and then we can get in some dicey spots OTR. Checking the flop to let villain bluff while having a hand that can call multiple streets I think will net us more chips, SPR is less than 4 anyway.
Aug. 10, 2019 | 12:34 p.m.
UTG: 270,215 (Hero)
Aug. 7, 2019 | 12:30 p.m.
Aug. 7, 2019 | 12:13 p.m.
Btw should I be taking a shove like 66 or 55 UTG for 15BB? Till today I considered it a mistake since I will find spots with bigger edge pretty often really and I believe to have an edge postflop even 15BB deep. Talking about low-mid stakes of course.
Aug. 7, 2019 | 11:56 a.m.
You might be right about how often we have to bet but I think your reasoning is not really on point. It's a MW pot with a 25BB stack opening UTG, ranges are not as wide as they may seem, villain should be checking AJ with some frequency cause Hero can be flatting AQ, AJ himself. What do you expect to get callled by when you bet with high frequency? KK, KQ, QT, well you are not getting more than one street of value vs these hands except if they turn a FD but again if Hero bets villain probably cant call the second barrel because hero's value betting range is really strong, narrow and bluffs minimal. BB should not be playing for stacks with anything worse than AT-A9 and if I bet half pot OTF BB should not be defending most of his Qx since he is sandwiched in bettwen, OOP and our ranges are stronger than usual in a MW pot. So you can see the value we can extract is really limited here. But if we x a hand like this one, no matter what the turn is we can call, we can let villain delay cbet some bluffs while we are staying IP and if we are behind we have a redraw on many turn cards. We shouldn't be worried about 55 since their share of the pot is really small and we dont gain much by folding them out. I was not advocating x back cause I was afraid of getting x/r but cause we have to balance our range, we need to x some top pairs or villain can just call us down with KK and second pairs every time we x the flop and he can fold anything worse than AJ if we bet the flop.
Aug. 6, 2019 | 12:09 p.m.
BN: 31,440 (Hero)
Aug. 3, 2019 | 1:24 p.m.
Hey Pedro! Wouldnt this depend on the player type? If he is mindlessly shoves his push-fold chart then ok, but for 15BB UTG 55, 66 and even 77, make so little money that a lot of thinking players will fold them. Especially deep in a live tournament full of recreationals. So you might get yourself in a really bad spot mis-constructing villain's range. 99 dont even make that much in your graph right? They make less than 3% of what AA makes, so a small difference in villains range will quickly get us in breakeven territory.
Aug. 3, 2019 | 4:47 a.m.
I use the bigger sizing sometimes because I think people in these stakes will overfold turn if I double barrel. It's obviously a mistake but I will still loose value. Like If villain has KT and the turn is a blank, maybe an 8, I believe low stakes players level themself thinking "He double barreled this board he must have a better hand that KT" although double barreling narrows my range more and makes it so I have AT+ or a bluff. Or villain has A5o and the turn is a J, I think its really likely he folds to a second bigger bet even if the flop cbet was smaller. And if everthing bricks outs we can go for a sneaky river bet. I find this works much better at low stakes, but given that people say I should be betting turn too I am not sure.
Aug. 3, 2019 | 4:33 a.m.
CO: 25,140 (Hero)
BB wins and shows a full house, Nines full of Tens.
BB wins 52,030
July 31, 2019 | 4:55 p.m.
I have been trying to avoid constructing a limping range, guess it's time now...
Would you just be opening vs a hyper-passive chipleader, or does limping still make more money? If I decide to open my whole range vs him are you opening hands like Q9o, K7o, Q4s, J6s
July 31, 2019 | 1:31 p.m.
I thought this turn hits his range hard after he calls a big bet OTF, being an FT with 2 shorter stacks in play that was my thinking. It hits my range harder but its mehh about my hand right? Seems like I would be too tight in villain's shoes thats why I wasn't sure about turn.
BTW for the small percentage of the time we bet turn like 30-40 % and get shoved on what do you do?
July 30, 2019 | 8:14 p.m.
At 6:30 ATs BU flat 3way. I get your turn barrel reasoning, I dont get the 30% cbet. I would guess we have the highest frequency of sets in our range some 98 kind of hands that want to bet and then only draws. Doesnt a bigger sizing make sense? Is the fact we never have a straight enough to never bet bigger here?
Also as a tournament player folding QJo on HJ seems really tight. Is it standard for cash, did you adjust cause of some player? (18:03 bottom left table)
Great video anyway. Amazing how you can hold up with 3 zoom tables while commentating on all of them.
July 30, 2019 | 12:53 p.m.
I tend to agree with magik244 . This deep I would be flatting TT. If villain 4bets you there you have to call from a theoritical standpoint but at these stakes you will always be vs JJ+, AK. Then if he just calls the 3bet you are not really sure about his ranges he might be peeling JJ or QQ. And even if his ranges are wider you will see 1 or more overcards to your TT so often OTF.
As played it sucks to get shoved on on this flop cause you NEVER have a set here. But I wouldnt expect it to happen often nor I would expect low stakes players to really care about that. However using a bigger sizing OTF is much better for your hand cause it needs TONS of protection and it might intimidate him enough to think twice about shoving.
July 30, 2019 | 11:36 a.m.
Preflop no need to 3bet, great hand to go postflop vs a CO range. As you said OTF you could just make it a bit bigger (like 2.1k) and you would have a nice SPR on the turn. He is not folding Ax OTF anyway, we dont expect him to bet call a hand like KK or QQ and you need a strong range when raising an A high flop vs opener's cbet so a bigger x/r makes sense. OTT with this SPR even if you had x/r bigger, a x/shove would be a great play. He will be betting/shoving his strong Ax, his T9s with BFD, and if he somehow ends up with KK or QQ he migh be shoving these too since your line would look a lot like an Open Ender or a Flush draw. And he can always spaz with some random bluff trying to represent an A.
But I wouldnt expect to be beat here, just a really small amount of the time. I mean there is 1 combo of AA, 3 combos of 88, 1 combo of 66, 6 combos of A8, 6 of AJ and then much more combos of hands like AK, AQ, AT FD, STD that you are miles ahead. Obviously after you bet half his stack OTT and he shoves with no fold equity you can assume you will be beat a higher percentage of the time but that doesnt mean you can fold. If you fold 4k into a pot of 15k with 2Pair you will be burning money. You can adjust your line to make him bluff more though.
July 29, 2019 | 12:55 p.m.
Seems pretty standard. Nice hand to mix preflop, OTF you can have QTo, QJo but I dont see any merrit to x back any of those, maybe checking back KQ?. Its a PKO you want to build the pot, especially when you have BSTD and BFD. OTT you just can't call, you will have much stronger hands to call sets, KQ, AK. I think the hand was perfectly played.
July 29, 2019 | 12:35 p.m.
MP: 1,002,032 (Hero)
BB wins 894,596
July 27, 2019 | 1:59 p.m.
I think your mistake was assuming you can make him fold an overpair, especially vs a recreational who will be inconsistent. He might call on the exact same spot you saw hin fold cause he is tilted or bored. Did you have any notes that say he would fold an overpair in such a spot? You hand had great showdown value anyway and you beat some of his 7x that he might be playing that way
July 23, 2019 | 1:24 p.m.
I think I am on track with your strategy/ thinking postflop for these spots. I posted this hand about preflop strategy mostly. I wanted to make something clear in my head. I have to peel the 3bet with any PP I open here 100bb+ deep hoping that the flatter comes along too right? If noone flats should I be more incentivised to find a fold or is hitting a set 1/8 of the time already enough with only the 3bettor in the pot?
July 21, 2019 | 6:47 a.m.
No problem, thanks for the detailed response.
So lets say MP (50BB stack) OpenLimps and I am on CO with T8s or 97s are you isolating or limping behind? I would be isolating with stronger hand like T9s, JTs etc. cause I guess T8s plays great postflop, we dont want to iso and get called by all the stronger Tx in his range and isolating to 4x and getting cold 3bet sucks. Is that on track?
Now at the same spot with QTo or K9o, are those must iso-raises?
About OOP: If I got that right, you prefer iso-raising a hand like K8o rather than JTo, on the SB, cause you have a crystal clear fold if we get 3bet with K8o? Are you implying that if we limp behind with JTo on SB and the BB iso-raises 5x you are peeling? I struggle to understand why we dont want to have a linear range out of position. Cause the BB can 3bet a lot vs an OpenLimp and a raiser that he has position on? Anyway, are hands like J7o-J9o, Q8o, T8o, 98o the hands we want to be iso-raising on the SB vs a LJ limper for example? Do you ISO raise J9o vs an UTG1 OpenLimp?
Sorry if I am beeing too thorough I just think its a really big leak of mine that I need to take care of.
July 21, 2019 | 4:50 a.m.
Same, 66 are the bottom. You have a point there, people 3bet less at these stakes, but the increased value when hitting our set vs bad players might compensate for that. I am not sure either though, lets see if someone can clarify.
July 18, 2019 | 11:52 p.m.