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akissv7

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What do you mean a 20/11 fish?
Seems more like a NIT then a fish that plays to many hands or are you calling all preflop NITS fish also?

Think folding is correct now a second Q arrives and you could easily have a queen yourself.

Oct. 18, 2019 | 7:26 p.m.

It depends.

What position are you talking about and what is your open range from that position?
What is your table image and how does your opponent play what is his 3 bet range and what will he call, 5-bet and fold with?
There are several factors to consider. To name a few:
- are you in or out of position
- what position is the 3 better in
- are there multiple players in the pot
- do you close the action
- was it a squeeze 3 bet or ... (how much are you supposed to defend)
- is the player a NIT, TAG, LAG, MANIAC, FISH or ..

Has the 3-bettor a linear or polar or ... 3 betting range. Depending on that an A-blocker can either block his calling range or calling&folding range making a lot of difference whether to 4 A5s.

In my opinion there is no good and bad that is true for every situation.

A5s can be a slam dunk 4 bet or call or fold when being 3 bet.

Oct. 18, 2019 | 7:21 p.m.

Was just wondering.

Preflop solving for 6 Max is pretty CPU expensive meaning that you need a top model computer and even then it takes forever to do. Also preflop solvers are pretty expensive and most of them don't solve for 6 Max only for heads-up.

Think your better off just using Poker Snowie suggestions or some free hand charts and go from there.

Oct. 18, 2019 | 7:07 p.m.

What are you going to use a preflop solver for?

Oct. 18, 2019 | 9:42 a.m.

Flop is dry certainly for a 4-bet pot so one can either bet smallish to get folds (so prob 1/2 pot or so as nowadays getting folds from an IP player by betting 1/3 pot is not going to happen much) or just check-call. I prefer to check-call on a non scary (for the villain that is) T-high board.

Turn card is not a scare card what hand that did you not bet the flop with that now happily bets out on the river? Would just check call with the intention to check fold river if you don't improve.

Betting the river to get folds does not make a lot of sense to me what hands of the villain do you want to get folds off? Certainly not Ax hands and pairs or better won't fold to a turn bet.

Oct. 15, 2019 | 2:25 p.m.

Comment | akissv7 commented on 50 zoom vs cold 4b

With no reads on the BB would fold preflop. BB basically 4 bets into two people.

Would not bluff this river giving his range he has either made a pair or better by the river or has KK. As the A came on the turn and you did not bet the turn it will be hard to represent an A and that leaves you representing QQ (so even his KQs if 4 bet might elect to call as that blocks most of the QQ here).

Of course if one is concerned to play balanced could bluff this river with some frequency, but it is hard to find any good cards to do that with as ranges overlap so much villain either blocks your made hands or has a made hand that wont fold.

Sept. 29, 2019 | 8:24 a.m.

He of course has implied odds as well and with a 6% (on turn card) hes bound to get action if a 4 hits the deck. And he could even stack an opponent if the opponent has exactly A5s. So yes although probably marginal I guess his call makes sense.

Sept. 29, 2019 | 8:12 a.m.

Correct me if I am wrong. The number behind the flops means how relevant the flop is for the subset being a good representation of all flops.

Sept. 29, 2019 | 7:59 a.m.

I am not convinced. When giving more priority to flops with A with a broadway card you must loose some other two broadway card flops in order to have an overall good representation of possible flops. In my opinion PIO uses are a good statistical representation of the flops overall structure. Ofc the smaller the subset is the bigger the gaps of subsets you will miss.

Having a particular situation in mind where the ranges are less/not balanced then studying some kind of flops can be valid as they can represent more difficult spots for you. E.g. in 3 bet pots where most players will not have a balanced range then yes flops with higher cards are more interesting then other flops as both players most of the time will hit those kind of flops harder and thus these kind of flops represent more difficult situations.

Sept. 29, 2019 | 7:56 a.m.

Maybe true but they a good representation of the kind of flops you will see % wise and as far as I know there is no good representation of strategically different flops.

Sept. 28, 2019 | 12:45 p.m.

Sept. 28, 2019 | 9:19 a.m.

Just a different view:

Short stack create a different dynamic and therefor demand a different strategy then the standard 100BB or more play. So one could study short stack play and become excellent in that aspect of the game. Your opponents play less short stacked and thus have less incentive to study short stacked. This can create a skill edge in the short stack play and thus an EV gain for the short stack player.

Sept. 28, 2019 | 8:48 a.m.

Comment | akissv7 commented on Check\Raise BB vs UTG

Would bet turn a bit bigger on the turn and as the river is not a scare card would give up your folding equity is very low on thus level in this situation.

Sept. 23, 2019 | 8:09 p.m.

You also win less if you do it that way. having 23% equity when you need 20% and winning 38$ form a 500 total pot made no sense to me thats why I did an EV check. Now winning 15 of 500 with a 3% extra equity makes perfect sense :)
According the formula used by BigFish having 20% equity would give a possitive EV which is for sure incorrect.

EV = (0.23 * (300 + 200)) - (0.77 * 100) = +38

EV = 0.2 (300+200) - 0.8*100 = + 20

Sept. 22, 2019 | 7 a.m.

Long term I guess online poker will dry up as a source of an income for poker pro's (and also for poker grinders) that play honest.

A lot depends on how the online poker room providers react against this. Will they invest quickly enough into detection and stricter ID checking making that using the technology to cheat is less lucrative and prolong the inevitable.

Sept. 22, 2019 | 6:32 a.m.

Comment | akissv7 commented on nl200z multiway

Yeah I agree that T9 prob belongs to the best 35% hands you have as you also could have 89, J9, QJ, KJ, KQ, AJ, AK, AQ with one diamond that called on the turn that block some of the Tx holdings certainly the Kdx holdings with two overs are reasonable candidate to call the turn with as they can turn into the NUT flush.

So I guess bluff catching with T9 is ok.

Sept. 22, 2019 | 6:22 a.m.

I wonder if your EV-calc is correct BigFiszh

EV
= won - investment
= 0.23 ( current pot + contribution from villain + investment) - 1 x investment
= 0.23 ( 100 + 300 + 100 ) - 100
= 15

Sept. 21, 2019 | 9:29 a.m.

Sure but would not use solvers for that would use AI-learning systems as they can handle all situations no tree solving needed. And they can learn even to play the best against each and every opponent in the player pool.

Sept. 21, 2019 | 8:57 a.m.

I agree that there is a lot of information and that a lot of the information seems conflicting and a lot is prob outdated as well.

Think starting again from the ground up is not a bad idea at all. Would just start with the basics again and make sure that you understand the why. Also focus on learning to think in ranges and not in hands you hold is a must.

Would stick to one or at the most two teachers and don't get distracted by other videos telling supposedly conflicting information but without knowing the whole story of the strategy and the background information (is this a low stakes strategy or high stakes strategy is it for live play is it for a tight player pool is it a GTO strategy etc) you don't know which strategy is valid. First learn the why form one teacher and understand it and then you can learn from others that have different views and fit them into your personal framework.

Sept. 21, 2019 | 8:55 a.m.

36/12 with 95% cBet might not be that far out of line cBetting as he only raises with 12% of his hands he might have a very strong opening raise. So would be very careful jumping to conclusions about his cBetting.

Villain bet into two people on A-high flop which usually means strength so would just give up on flop.
Don't like turn play.
Don't like river play either as villain has shown considerable strength and the K is also a good card for villains perceived range and he wont fold two pair or better here.

Sept. 21, 2019 | 8:34 a.m.

As you pointed out you will most of the time see only one card and you have thus only 8% to hit your J. You have to put in an extra 4 to win immediately 24 with implied odds to win 27 more so at best you will win 51 for an 4 investment meaning you need 4/51 ~ 7.8% equity which you just get. This assumes that you will stack him 100% of the time and that you win when you hit the J on the turn (if villain has a set he will still win ~20% of the time if you hit your J) and there is also rake to account for.

Think although very close folding is here slightly better.

Sept. 21, 2019 | 8:26 a.m.

Due to river pot odds if we call and having a bluff catcher would consider villains turn bet as an all-in. So we have to call ~$125 to win ~$400 so we need ~ 31% equity. As board is kinda wet think we might have enough equity to shove on turn and maximize our win if villain has a draw. Still it will be close as villain can have Ahxh and also potentially Ahxx.

Sept. 20, 2019 | 2:59 p.m.

Comment | akissv7 commented on nl200z multiway

Don't think loads of villains will bluff the river now an A-comes out it makes that their not 3 bet Adx bluffs now suddenly are top pair so less missed flush draws to bluff on the other side you also could have Adx so in that sense it is a value bet card for the villain on the other hand you also could have Adx and you having a FD is not likely as you checked flop.

Villain did not 3 bet and you did not bet flop this makes that ranges are still pretty wide so what ever happens next is for me a guessing game. So would fold back to basic GTO-close strategy. His WTSD 28% is not to high so his WWSF 47% could come from not being to aggressive so not that bluff happy.

What flush draws would you check flop with and what T's?
What hands would you call turn with?
What % of top hands do T9 belong to in the range you have. If top ~35% would call otherwise would fold.

Sept. 20, 2019 | 2:40 p.m.

Comment | akissv7 commented on whats going on here?

The percentages with which IP 3 bets don't look out of band to me. Be aware that the solver assumes that the strategies (so also the XR with 54 etc) are completely known.

IP starts with a range of 17.8% and raises with 41.9% and then 3 bets with 7.26% that's a range of 0.5% which can be very strong and still contain some bluffs.

Sept. 20, 2019 | 2:08 p.m.

Indeed not a lot of bluffs possibles as pot was 3 bet UTG should have a narrow range, but then again not a lot of value hands that take this line then perhaps AQ and KK and perhaps AK as both turn and river are blanks. Guess your at best chopping so would just fold and get it over with.

QQ could be a nice bluff come to think of it as it blocks AQ :)

Sept. 20, 2019 | 1:48 p.m.

Comment | akissv7 commented on whats going on here?

My guess is that:
54s is a gutshot with a BDFD which gains a lot from folding but still is a decent draw also 54s connects with the 7 a bit. This in general terms can mean that you NUT hands (77 and A7) have some good draws to balance with and thus 77 and A7 will start raising and balance with 54s etc.

Sept. 20, 2019 | 1:43 p.m.

Comment | akissv7 commented on facing donk bet

Board connects very good with villains ranges so would just call with good draws.

If you want to balance your sets would choose Qx, 7x, Jx with one diamond in it as they block continuation hands.

Sept. 18, 2019 | 8:23 a.m.

Villain being in the BB can flat very wide against 2.5x bet so I don't think you can neglect villain having 97s (lets say 50% of the time) also but also 87s, 76s which pick up a OED on the turn.

In order to raise the river for value you must beat 50% of his calling hands (disregarding the break even hands) simple as that.

Think the range you assign to villains calling range on the river is not correct as some of these hands might not call preflop and some will 3 bet preflop. Creating ranges is a complicated task and should start with preflop looking at the actions taking and putting a range on it then flop etc..
Won't villain 3bet AK and KK most of the time?
Will villain call preflop with all better 5X preflop?
Will villain call preflop with any K6 and K8?
etc.

Sept. 17, 2019 | 6:30 a.m.

Oh been already a month ago. Must admit that I took a break as I did not feel like playing poker as I was getting a bit frustrated by the up and down swings so I played some other silly games on my computer. I now stopped playing those silly games as they are even more frustrating then playing poker. Computer will arrive today :)

I made a decision on poker to study more GTO and also learn more how to exploit the player pool and I am going to use a solver for that so I bought GTO+ (think that is the best bang for a buck). I also bought a new computer as otherwise I will get frustrated by how long it takes to analyse multiple flops and also my old one did not even have enough memory to be able to handle some trees.

I will start studying BTN vs BB as that are the spots where most get involved in pots. Been reading a lot on grouping flops together to make studying easier but that seems a tough subject that no one has cracked (or not published). I already noticed playing around a bit that not range balancing makes that little differences in flops can make a huge difference in the strategical approach of a flop.

Sept. 16, 2019 | 8:09 a.m.

Although set-mining where you have to put in more then 10% of your stack is only just ok as there is a fish who can tag along I think you played it well.

On the turn you have an open ended straight draw and I would not check-raise here as I would also just call with my NUT hands like T9s and 88.

Sept. 16, 2019 | 7:54 a.m.

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