crazyriver

Which one do you prefer between Vision and PLO Trainer?

It's too early to say, so far.

I've gone through the first chapter on approaching fundamentals. It's quite concise and gives you ability to think and work about how you approach poker, also suggesting some other materials/software. I found a few concepts similar to Mental Game of Poker, the book I worked with a couple years back, which I can definitely recommend.

And now started with preflop. At the moment, I'm focusing mostly on my preflop game, so I don't think, I'll finish the course anytime soon. I don't want to rate it too early, without having the full picture.

In my case, I've been clicking button in PLO micros for some time, and actually wanted to start working a little bit on the game and not feel totally lost, so decided the structured course like that might fit me perfectly. And so far, I'm happy with it.

I couldn't get the ProPokerTools Desktop to install, but the Web version offers the Rank. That should be enough I guess. Thanks for the hint!

Get a habit to take 5s or more to make a decision on the river, no matter how simple it might be. Spend this time to think through the hand, the ranges, etc. It's easy to be a calling station when you act fast, but I found it more difficult when I take more time to think about the hand.

downflux01 my only problem here is that we have SPR < 1, once we call the flop, so it feels like we have to make the decision at this point whether we're calling it down on later streets or folding. I simply don't see a scenario, where I would call flop and give up on later streets that "shallow". But I might be totally wrong, as well...

downflux01 would you fold on later streets unless improved? If yes, I don't see the merits of calling the flop raise.

I saw middle pair, overpair and some draws vs this action (open ship on the flop with SPR>1). I'm calling with decent TP+, like Q9+ or K9+.

Widen your 3-bet value range and tighten your 3-bet bluff range?

Well, I think it's important not to look at bluffing, per se.

I mean, you should look at the best decision at a given situation (board, hand, actions in the hand, stacks, pot, opponents' tendencies, etc.), not as a bluffing or value betting in general.

To be honest, I think it's a common misconception that at micros you should never bluff (so betting with not made hand?). This way, you'd leave a lot of money on the table, not to mention, not improve as a player. There are times when bluffing with your given hand gives the highest EV, and other times when it definitely does not.

That said, post hands here, you're unsure of, and people should give you the right direction.

The only draws you're chopping with are what? KJ, KT and you block them. Doesn't make any sense to bet this river, especially this low. His range includes some Ax, some queens, some pps (that I seriously doubt are always folding to less than 1/3rd on the river).

Just take the free card on the turn. You're ahead of most of his draws, doing ok vs pps (which with huge bets you might target to fold) and I don't think you fold out too much when everything misses.

I don't see how it can even remotely be a fold at any point.

Sizings are too small both turn and river if you want to bluff with this.

I'm yet to face someone at these stakes to fold an overpair on the river in this situation, to be honest.

Yea, that was my thoughts as well, during the hand. I checked and it felt weird to see A-high from the villain but I guess it's fine as played.
What range are solvers bluffing on this river?

Well, I played around with hit calculator, and it seems to be etiher a 3rd barrel if we put Tx into his turn calling range (and folding on the river) or a clear 2nd barrel if he's folding these Tx hands. Do you see any major flaws in my assumptions?

We don't really block that much of his drawing hands and I wouldn't even consider check this turn back to be honest.

I just wish I could use the Range Visualizer in PT4 for population (the stuff I'm using the sheets for, and it's still less rich and takes time, so I don't use it often). It's possible only with alias, I guess. But creating it manually must be a pain in the ass.
You could create a new player_id that would group all players but you directly in the database, but I'm not too sure it would work for non hu games.

But that Filter Expression is usually enough to get what you want quickly.

I think it's also worth looking at the turn in this specific spot. I really don't see the player in position checking back with T there, with 2 flush draws and 3-way pot, and betting half pot on the river.

So imo well played on the river call.

Bartello82
1. Create a Player report.
2. Filters -> Expression Filters
3. Filter Expression:

player.player_name != 'abc'

where abc is your player name.
Now you add stats or simple filters with whatever you want. When you add a simple filter you just treat it as you'd play it yourself (not you faced the action), so if you want to check the hands the population open at SB you just put position SB and Open Raise

Other option is creating an alias for everyone but you. But I don't think there's an easy/straight forward way to achieve it. I've heard it's much easier in HEM but never used anything else than PT3/4.

Are you playing SB as a 3-bet or fold strat or do you have a call range? Would change our strategy a decent amount.

lIlCitanul Can you elaborate on that a little bit? Readless, I'd really have no idea what to do here. Probably just fold it at SB.

I'd much rather 3-bet this from the button, or maybe even BB (although it plays fine with a call there I guess).

I do a little bit but I'm not sure I'd be much more help. I just use the custom reports for population frequencies to see what spots are the most exploitable.

Sometimes if I want to visualize a range for specific situations (for example 3-bet BB vs CO) I just import the hole cards + number of hands report to sheet and get something like this:

But not much more than that.

Thanks for the suggestions. I’ll definitely look the calling spots up.

Agree on the SB, as I already mentioned in the post, I feel I was playing too wide/passive at SB.

Thanks, very good point. I'll look at my ranges from early positions.

As for studying, my typical approach is checking every >15bb pot.

Then if I see a repetitive mistake, for example calling vs x/r on the turn too wide or whatever I find, just filter it out and go through all these situations. Make a sticky note, and get through it before next sessions.

From time to time, I also like to analyze the population stats (and then ranges). There are also some frequencies that seem very exploitable (but it's always good to go through the hands in question, as the weird frequencies might just come up from variance).

It's totally fine to have a calling range at 20bb. You're basically playing with 18bb effective stack to 4,5bb in the pot.

Similar SPR to what you have after flatting a 3-bet. Does it mean you're never calling vs a 3-bet?

Totally agree.

One thing is pace. You simply lose much more often (and win as well, but naturally we feel losses more).

Second thing is the environment. You laugh, joke around, sip a pint, there's plenty of time before/after hands or just without any action for you, so it's much easier to calm down.