Early on you mixed QJo LJ w a rec on BB - think presence of weak BB makes QJo pure open
68ss - think you can fold preflop and defend 87s, but I guess it is prob fine defend preflop. postflop I think you gotta fold flop without backdoor
Nov. 16, 2022 | 3:17 p.m.
23min 88 vs SS - with him being shorter, is this making you squeeze wider? because 88 vs HJ 4x seems a bit ambitious without a read he is wide
Nov. 9, 2022 | 1:53 p.m.
Hey guys. I have a theory question for you. First though, how much is the cap for you in rake? When I play 100/200 PLO, it is $4.00 USD max on Ignition Poker. Second, playing short stack, when I 3bet SB vs CO, AJ98:ss is towards the bottom of my 3-bet range. Monker shows it wins .05bb. I believe players overcall vs a 3bet at small stakes. Theoretically, if players are overcalling vs 3bets and you don't have FE, do you think it is a good idea to fold the bottom .1bb 3bets and lower (applies to 100bb play as well)? It seems to me in theory this would be the case. I feel like $4 is even higher than other sites, so that may be even more reason. In pro poker tools, vs a 30% range from the CO, AJ98:ss has about 48% equity. Seems like the key to 3betting in small stakes, is playing tight OOP unless we are pushing a good equity advantage preflop. Maybe like 52-53%+ and have good playability (Like maybe JT98s has 47%, but maybe more playability when we flop strong and check and show up with strong hand in unexpected spot). Maybe reasons for the opposite case, is if our opponents are overfolding after the flop and we can over-realize our equity. I am not sure this is the case though. Also, players definitely under 4bet which helps us realize a bit more equity. What are you guys thoughts? Should I be folding vs 3betting with the bottom hands of the monkersolver range that are around break even?
Sept. 23, 2022 | 11:34 p.m.
Really no one in my game cares and I don't have private game considerations. Do you think its +EV is my real question still? Guess if you hit a strong hand OOP, not too big of a deal in that players bet waaaay too wide multi-way (like betting 7 way and better a bare overpair).
June 21, 2022 | 5:33 p.m.
Would you still be playing from the worst positions like SB/BB?
June 21, 2022 | 3:57 p.m.
In my Live $2/$5 nlh game, there is a $20 bomb pot when the dealer changes. You can put out $20 if you want. Then, the pot usually is 7-8 way and a hand of PLO is dealt. You go straight to the flop. Sometimes, it plays normally starting at post flop. Sometimes, the dealer deals 2 boards, then the hand is played through with 2 turns, and 2 rivers. Do you think playing in this setup is +EV in the long run? You can sit out if you are in a bad position as well, and play when IP. Do you think it is profitable IP? Usually there is 2-3 fish at the table with $1k stacks and several fish with $400-700 stacks. I always have at least $1k in front of me.
I have played several hundred thousand hands of online PLO and beat $0.25/$0.50 at 8bb/100 and have a 50k hand sample at 100 PLO where I have beaten the game for 6bb/100. This is on ignition poker. I am also a profitable PLO live player. I understand how to play postflop, and how not to overvalue hands like bottom set and medium flush draws multi-way. I'm not an oustanding PLO player and mainly focus on NLH, but I know enough to have a skill edge in PLO Live line ups. My concern with this setup is that you get dealt a lot of trashy hands that play bad multi-way where you are often just folding post flop. We are put in a lot of high variance/marginal spots post flop. Even though these players have little PLO experience, since its heavily multi-way, we will often have to play pretty straight forward with the 7-8 way pots. On the other hand, can we overcome rake in the long run just nut pettling, making a hand, and value betting vs nlh fish that overvalue their PLO hands?
What do you guys think? What about 1 board vs 2 boards?
June 20, 2022 | 5:30 p.m.
would be good if you let the hands after the hand be shown. sometimes you cut it too soon and we cannot see what they show up with, or it is hard to tell and have to rewind to catch it
Jan. 14, 2022 | 1:14 p.m.
w the A2s, I think you're giving too much credit on the turn. You look a bit capped so it makes sense for BB to lead out big even with bluffs not holding a heart. 76s, JT has an OESD, KJ etc.
on the river I think you just have a call. you chop with AT/AJ and he can still be bluffing with all the JT, KJ, 76, 78, KT. Could even be more merged with all the Ax too. and the 5 diminishes his value range a bit too.I estimate like 18-20 value combos in his range, so only needing 30% on river, I think we find that quite quickly.
JJ on K87Kx facing 1/3 - not sure we ever really see a bluff/worst value hand here at this node. might seem crazy but maybe could fold this. Would expect a bluff to go bigger. He could prob value bet bigger too tbh with a hand like QQ/AA/Kx. The turn 1/3 in your shoes would def make river easier, but not sure it accomplishes much since OOP will have QQ, some AA, and some Kx. So you would be blocking really to fold out some air like AQ or AJ or random give ups and not be called by worst hands
Jan. 14, 2022 | 12:45 p.m.
28:07 - A4hh Bttn vs 3x HJ, CO Cold call, and 2 recs in blinds. This seems like a very good flat call opportunity to me. Why are we folding?
Jan. 7, 2022 | 2:33 p.m.
The lead w AQcc on the 6T9tt turn seems odd to me since IP will have AK at high FQ in range, and still may be checking back some AT on flop. I would think this hand fits better into a turn check/riv lead, and we would be more polar on turn. Do you have anything to say on that? Seems like the value we get on turn we could get on river. We also get value from KQ/KJ by checking because he is likely to bet those as well.
Jan. 6, 2022 | 11:59 a.m.
I would be betting 50% pot here and folding to a c/r. The same hand, but with the 6d, I would put in my check back range. I feel like by betting full pot here in position, you lessen your advantage of position with your range, and you make it way easier for him to play. I would be having a full pot and half pot sizing OOP say SB vs Btn where I would put this in the half pot range. The population's I play against, I think they probably under c/r without super premium hands overall, so I would feel pretty good about folding this hand to a c/r. But I would also be half potting here with QQ, AA:cc, Q8, ect... So by choosing this sizing, you get to realize more equity effectively by denying their equity (with a hand like this) that would really enjoy just winning the pot now, but when they c/shove, you also get to just get the money all-in on the flop with the top of your range which is basically inducing for half pot.
Oct. 22, 2019 | 2:43 a.m.
around the 7:21 mark, you fold J9o on the BB closing the action for 1.5bb more; does our J9o suffer too much from dominated Jx and 9x for this to be a call or something? I would think that facing such a small amount with such a good price, and a hand that is relatively connected, and having relative good position, it can be played.
I say we have relative good position, because we have pretty good information if the PFR checks and the button checks as well. The PFR will be tied to play slightly more honestly as well with it being multiway to boot. And if the flop checks thru, we will have reasonable information and can make appropriate steals etc. Kinda curious your thoughts here; I would typically be defending this vs this sizing, folding J8o, and maybe vs a 3x beginning to fold this here.
Oct. 18, 2019 | 6:36 p.m.
Really enjoyed the format. I really got a lot of value from seeing the hole cards face up and hearing you discuss everyone’s best strategies with their hands. Thanks Phil!
Sept. 29, 2019 | 4:06 a.m.
BB - $750
UTG+1 - $2000 - 25% opening range ish in hand I believe. New to PLO. Regular in NLH games
UTG+2 - $600 - Splashy fish, very station'y, bets too wide multi-way with non nut draws
UTG+3 - $350 - Loose passive fish
LJ - Hero - $1000 - As Qd 8s 4c
CO - $700 - Passive Fish
BTN - $1000 - Aggressive Fish
SB - $320 - Splashy Fish - Probably about a 60% VPIP range
BB limps, UTG+1 raises to $20, UTG+2 calls, UTG+3 calls, Hero calls, Btn calls, SB calls, BB calls
Flop: (~$140): Qc 8h 6c
UTG+2 bets $75, UTG+3 calls, Hero calls, SB goes all-in for $245, UTG+2 calls $170, UTG+3 calls $170, Hero???
First off, because of this situation, it makes me question whether I should be calling this hand preflop or folding. I am deep with some pretty big fish that certainly stack off light with non-nut combo flush draws on the flop, so in hand, I am calling to basically try and get that situation multi-way, but I'm not sure if that will happen often enough it is worth calling. Reason being is because the other times, with more people in the pot, it seems like my hand becomes worse and worse for its other components because if I stack off on the flop like this one with top two pair, I can easily run into a set or the same hand, but a redraw. But it is possible to especially stack some of the shorter players when they have a hand like Q5xxx on Q85 and I have the AQ84:Ass. Seems close. What are you guy's thoughts?
After a bet and a call 7-way, I'm very hesitant to pot/stack off multi-way with no re-draw. I know my all-in equity multi-way here won't be too great. My idea here is to call with pot odds and look for a safe turn, then go all-in. So I call and the SB shoves, and gets two calls. I know my equity here is already not that great, but with the shove, I feel a bit concerned now I could be potentially drawing dead or facing the same hand with a redraw. Or maybe he has a hand like Q6:cc/T97:cc/Acc ect...So very unsure weather I should be committing another $245 here, just folding, or pot shoving guessing that the other two guys that just called probably don't have a better made hand than Q8, but with a 3-way all-in, my equity can probably still not be too great here I'm guessing.
Idk guys. What do you think?
Sept. 21, 2019 | 4:08 p.m.
If you have to ask, you prob are a f&cking nit :p
Sept. 20, 2019 | 12:49 a.m.
Btn - Hero - $71.74 - Ad Jd Js 7h
MP - $648.11 -86/49 over 37 hands *Villain has shown 3betting me with AJ95ds BB vs Btn and giving up on a low board 3 streets with a pair of 5's. Seems to be a little more thoughtful maybe and not a complete bad aggro maniac like you might expect of a rec playing that loose.
BB - $12.48
MP raises $1.75, Hero calls Btn, BB calls.
Flop (~$5.25): Qd Jh 7c
BB checks. MP bets $2.62, Btn raises to $9.00, MP raises to $32.23, Btn (hero)?
So on the flop, villain is opening pretty wide and there is quite a few bad turns, so I go with a flop raise IP. Was thinking with the small half pot bet and a lot of bad turns, I don't mind just winning the pot now, and if he calls, I think sometimes players don't have a leading range as often as they should and I can always check back on a bad turn. Also, think villain could perceive my smaller than pot raise as attacking his flop c-betting range since he is super wide preflop, but maybe he's not thinking that in depth. Once I face the flop 3bet though, puke. It seems like we are crushed by QQ or flipping vs a wrap, especially since we block a 7. I'm guessing I should just call/call here on blank turns. Maybe fold on a wrap completing turn? Wondering if I should have been just flatting flop? If I did flat flop, I guess on bad turns, I would mostly be going call/call flop/turn and evaluating river? What do you guys think about this spot?
Sept. 10, 2019 | 12:34 p.m.
Hi guys. I was working through a board texture this morning in Pio, and was wondering from any of you guys that study in Pio a lot, whether on KQ4tt if you would have only a 1/3rd sizing or 2 sizings, 1/3rd and 2/3rds pot? It makes sense to me to simplify the strategy here and only have the one sizing. I ran both in Pio and got (EV OOP: 3.155, EV IP: 5.845) for both runs. Since the EV's are the same (or very close if I ran the sims further), it doesn't seem like I'm losing out on much, but gain the ability to more easily employ the strategy in game. With two sizings (below), it prefers the 33% sizing most, and when it uses the 66% sizing, its usually always mixing in a substantial freq of 1/3rd sizing as well.
Just wanting to make sure of my thinking and confirm it with some of yal before I start simplifying a lot more strategies in the future, but potentially be overlooking something. Heard from a video I believe that as long as you don't incur more than a (I believe 3%) EV loss, simplifying a strategy to make it easier to execute in game is a good idea.
P.S. Also, wondering if someone can explain the difference between EV and MES to me? Been wondering that for a while. This is what I get on this sim:
EV OOP: 3.155
EV IP: 5.845
OOP's MES: 3.291
IP's MES: 5.975
Exploitable for: 0.133
Aug. 15, 2019 | 1:53 p.m.
I was studying preflop ranges in monker solver, UTG vs Btn and taking a look at which hands want to 3bet/flat. While I was studying I came across something rather interesting I don't understand and would like you guys' input. After facing a UTG pot raise, with "Connected A-high non-broadway, suited ace" hands, Hero is flating 19.2% and 3betting 1.3%. Hero is flatting/3betting hands like AJ97ss, AT97ss, AT98ss, A976ss, ect… on the btn. Okay, makes sense. Hero has 45% equity with a hand like AT98ss vs UTG range and has position and will be able to realize most equity, or over realize equity here.
After, MP+CO cold calls, Hero is mostly folding all of those hands as stated above! It took me by surprise at first, especially since the Solver is not squeezing much from the blinds after 4 players are in the pot, but again it now makes sense. MP is cold calling the 6-10 percentile of hands optimally, and CO is calling the 5-8 percentile of hands optimally, so now Hero only has 22.63% equity 4-way with AT98ss, and can easily be dominated playing against such strong of ranges.
But, fish don't play optimally, so I tweaked the ranges to 1%-19% utg, 6%-40% MP, 5%-50% to illustrate more how a fish soft game might play, and too my surprise 4-way so far, we only have 23.88% equity while MP has 24.02%, and CO has 23.63%! I would have thought with a dominating suit and connectedness that we would be pushing more equity than that. Without UTG, we still only have 34% vs the 2 fishes' ranges. In game, I am always calling in these spots (with the hands above) because I feel like we have higher implied odds than an optimal strategy vs the 2 fish players. I would be probably be calling hands like A765ss and playing cautiously IP. With 2 fish callers, is my assumptions that this is a profitable call because I'm netting more EV when I hit my hand probably, or is my thinking too ambitious and I should be folding and only expanding my calling range from optimal only a little bit. An optimal strategy with this hand category is folding 96.9%% on the btn in the multi-way scenario where vs just the utg, its only folding 79.5%. Pretty big difference I would think. What do you think about these spots? From a theory perspective with the loose fish callers in between, should we be flatting the hands above, or is it too ambitious and we will have to play too straight forward and we should be folding?
April 14, 2019 | 9:42 p.m.
I'm also interested in joining a study group. Currently crushing the 100 PLO games on Ignition. Want to be playing 500 PLO by the end of the year. I'm down to review hands/study in Monker Solver/PLO Calc.
April 13, 2019 | 8:18 p.m.
BB - $39 - Random recreational
CO - $24 - Seems to have a high VPIP
HJ - Hero - $50 - Qs Qd Jd 6s
Hero raises to $1.75, CO calls, BB calls, 3-way to the flop
Flop ($5.75): Ah Ts 2s
BB checks, Hero checks, Btn bets pot for $5.75, BB folds, Hero???
First of all, I am in my first orbit playing on Global Poker and I don't have either the BB or CO tagged. Have seen the BB limp once so far in the two hands I have played before. I would assume more often than not that CO is a recreational vs pro short stacker based on the fact it is very rare for me to see a pro short stacker at 50 PLO on Global.
Post flop, AT2tt does seem like a good board for me, but checking and keeping the pot smaller with a non-nutted hand seems best to me because if we get flop raised by either player (which seems will happen more freq, them both being shorter stacked than 100 bb's+), than we will be folding quite a bit of equity, where we could comfortably c/c a bet of around $3. I guess the advantage of betting is we do get some added FE vs shitty Ax hands. What do yal think about flop?
We check though and CO bets Pot. Maybe villain does this with AT, TT, 22, A2, maybe Kss with bad showdown value, some Axss with weak SD value, ect…This spot seems close to me because we are drawing to the non nuts, but still have around 50% equity vs parts of his range like bare AT/A2 or 58% vs bare TT, but we do have low visibility on spade runouts, Q is prob a pretty good one but maybe some reverse implied odds on. Sometimes if we hit and CO checks back, we can value bet, so that helps out the profitability of calling, but if we hit the turn and CO keeps betting, that also gives us some reverse implied odds unless we are always folding on a s turn. What do you guys think?
April 5, 2019 | 3:31 p.m.
Hi there Run It Once! Just wanted to leave some feedback about my coaching experience with Nick Johnson if any you guys are thinking about getting coaching from him. Before I started getting coaching from him, I was playing $0.10/$0.25 PLO. After going through his coaching, I was successfully beating 50 PLO, and playing 100 PLO. I also grinded 2/5 and 5/10 nlh for years in Live poker, but after going to play some sessions at 5/5 PLO, I felt lost about what to do especially preflop in the heavily multi-way dynamics, and I requested to spend 2 hours of my coaching time with Nick to ask him specific questions about Live PLO. What I did was write down any hand I got dealt in Live PLO for a session I wasn't sure I was making the right play preflop or postflop in notepad on my phone. Then, in our Skype session, I ran through different hands on the list having a great discussion that lead me to feel very confident in my decision making in Live PLO. I got an insane amount of value out of these 2 hours! :) I also, really like Nick's format for reviewing online coaching videos as well. You shoot footage and send it in to Nick, and he does a voice over with his thought process about your play, and charges you by the hour of footage he sends back. I found this format extremely helpful because by hearing Nick's thought process about the situations helped me align my own thought process to be closer to Nick's in those spots. I found that trying to better understand "Why" you are doing things is the ultimate goal and makes the game much easier to grasp. I also gained a much deeper understanding of situations as well! Thanks for the coaching Nick and if your thinking of taking Nick's coaching, do it! I believe it is a great investment ^.^
March 21, 2019 | 4:17 p.m.
Hi guys. I was looking through some preflop spots in Monker Solver and came across something I wanted to understand a little more and maybe there is a leak in my thought process. Here is Monker Solver's fold KK % in BB vs (excluding KKK and KKKK)
CO raise, btn folds, SB folds, BB folds KK 0%
CO raise, btn calls, SB folds, BB folds KK 0%
CO raise, btn calls, SB calls, BB folds KK 12.9%
My guess seeing this is that still 3-way when you have a K flush blocker on a 3 flush card flop/turn, you win more EV 3-way in those spots being able to get folds, but 4-way, your forced to play a little more straight forward. Maybe same goes for boards like QJT or QJ9, maybe your able to capitalize some more EV bluffing 3-way or HU, but you have to play straight forward 4-way or more. Also, I'm guessing that when the money goes in 4-way, your less likely to be in good shape? This is assuming optimal players I'm guessing from monker, but I'm guessing you can defend any KK multi-way in the BB with fish involved. But what is interesting is that Monker is still folding hands like KK92, Kss at a 52% frequency even though you have a K high suit.
What do you guys think about this? Can any of yal elaborate on more reasons for this? I want to understand the profitability of pairs the most in situations like this because I feel like that is a big part of Live PLO and even if it is a limped pot in PLO and not much raising, I want to better understand if I should be folding hands like KK92:Kss preflop from MP or EP depending on the tables.
Jan. 12, 2019 | 5:54 p.m.
BB - Hero - $1100 - Ad 6d 3s 4c
UTG - Tight passive fish - $1600
UTG+1 - Good Regular - $1000
UTG+2 - Whale - $1500
UTG+3 - Random recreational - $1000 - (new to table, no reads, never played with him)
HJ - Whale - $1500
CO - Loose aggressive regular - $2200
Btn - Passive fish - $650
SB - Fishy tag player - $1000 - loose from blinds, but playing tighter than other players
SB calls, Hero calls $3, UTG+1 calls $5, UTG+2 calls $5, UTG+3 raises to $15, HJ calls $15, CO calls $15, Btn folds, SB calls $10, Hero calls $10, UTG+1 calls $5, UTG+2 calls $5.
Flop($110): 9d 5s 2d (7 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, UTG+3 bets $50, HJ calls $50, CO calls $50, SB calls $50, Hero?
In this spot, my first inclination is to call since I have good odds + can overflush someone on the turn. But if I do hit a flush, I'm not sure how likely I am to get paid off since this is a 7-way pot on the flop. I think players are capable of laying down bare 95 on the flop, bare wraps, and probably sometimes even 22. Whenever players have the nuts, I have often seen them just pot it on the flop. Kind of leads me to believe UTG+3 probably doesn't have a set or at most bottom set and I think 99/55 would flop raise from any of the remaining players as well. I'm wondering if its better to just pot now for $410, or if you think its more +EV to call. I think another benefit of raising is that bare wraps without a FD will probably just fold the flop right now. But like I said, benefits of calling or cheap price and keeping in worse flush draws in the hand as well. What do you think is better here?
Jan. 5, 2019 | 4:33 a.m.
Players and Reads:
SB - HERO - $500 - Qc Qs 6c 2h
CO - Wide aggro fish - $3000
*Seen open raise J874ts (triple suited) LJ preflop
*Overall, very splashy and aggressive in a lot of spots that are a bit spewy
UTG limping fish - $90
UTG+2 fish: $600
UTG limps, UTG+2 limps, CO raises to $30, Hero calls $25, UTG shoves, UTG+2 folds, CO raises pot (shove), Hero???
First off, UTG lost a pot the hand or 2 before, and I missed that he was that short. Thought he still had a normal stack and I wanted to pill from the BB in a 4-way pot, maybe 5-way pot. With his short stack, I would have folded preflop. That being said, as played I kind of feel like this guy is really just shoving everything over the fishes small shove preflop. I haven't played a ton in these Live PLO cash games, so I know that is an assumption I am making, but what do you guys think?
Jan. 4, 2019 | 2:02 p.m.
I really like this. I think the is a great discussion because we have some differences of opinion here on what to do preflop. Would really enjoy hearing everyone else's responses.
Jan. 4, 2019 | 1:50 p.m.
Yes you can
Jan. 4, 2019 | 1:46 p.m.
I played this session yesterday, and picked up some hands preflop that I wasn't 100% on my play. Would really love some feedback. Thanks guys.
Seat 1: Loose passive fish (pots when he has a big hand and otherwise is just checking and calling mostly) - $1500
Seat 2: Splashy preflop, sometimes raises really trashy hands pre, bad bluffs post without blockers, calls too light - $700
Seat 3: Hero - $1000
Seat 7: Good aggressive thinking reg - $2000
1) 8 players. LJ (low jack) straddles. Hero is HJ with 5544ss. Hero ???
2) 3 limpers. SB checks.Hero BB with AKJT, Kss. Raise or check?
3) 9 players. Btn straddle. SB limps, Seat 1 limps BB, Seat 2 limps, Hero utg+1 with Kc Jc Td 4d. Hero??? 1 or 2 recreational players behind me have in the $500-$700 stack region, but the rest of players have $1000 or more in their stacks.
What would you do in these hands?
1) If I had 7722ss, I would fold or even 7744ss I would be folding, but this seems closer to me since we have the connectedness. Online I would be opening UTG for sure, but not sure in this Live setting. The hand will often go 4-6 way I believe. Flopping bottom set in this scenario won't be too good for me, but its possible for some players to pay off a little lighter if I do hit, so seems close. What are you guy's thoughts?
2) I lean towards raise since we have 4 big cards and a K high suit, but I believe we have 0 fold equity and this pot will often go 5-way and I'll be OOP vs 3 players. This could be good if i hit and it is easier to get stacks in, but without the nut suit, I'm not sure if the "nuttiness" of my combo is good enough to be raising with little to no fold equity preflop.
3) This one is interesting because with the K and J of the same suit, and not being able to effectively isolate the pot, I feel like I should fold preflop vs pot raise. I don't want to limp because there is a bit too much raising going on in the game preflop vs some other passive 5/5 games I have played in. I do like some smaller raises with parts of my range that benefit and balance that with weak AAxx, but wandering with 2 limpers for $10 each, if its worth raising my hand to $20 or $25?
Jan. 3, 2019 | 2:34 p.m.
Okay, thanks Phil! That makes a lot of sense ^.^
Dec. 7, 2018 | 2:37 a.m.
Btn fish - $1k
CO straddle - $1k - First hand at table. Very buff guy around age 38-40. When he looked at his hand, I saw an 8 in it lol.
HJ - Hero - $1.1k - AhQhQsJh
CO straddle, Btn limps, folds to Hero, Hero raises to $40, CO calls, Btn calls
Flop($135): Ks Qd 9h
Hero checks, CO bets pot, Btn folds, Hero calls
Hero checks, CO bets $405, Hero???
There is $825 left in stacks. Don't know anything about this player. If I didn't have the J blocker, I would be snap folding, but whenever I see a really buff middle age guy, I would think more often than not, he could be going crazy here with a TT98 hand or TT8x hand. I did actually see a black 8 in his hand preflop when he didn't guard his hand. So he could have JT8x here exactly, but I'm wondering if you guys 1) Think I have a hand that is profitable to continue with here for call or shove 2) If we didn't see an 8 in his hand, what would you be doing here?
think this is a pure fold even vs 1/3
Nov. 26, 2022 | 5:09 p.m.