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Hand History | Degnovic posted in MTT: $22 MTT: Facing Huge River Overbet
Blinds: t250/t500 (8 Players) MP: 970
MP+1: 27,405 (Hero)
CO: 6,675
BN: 23,480
SB: 7,520
BB: 12,645
UTG: 26,245
UTG+1: 19,690
Preflop (750) Hero is MP+1 with Q Q
UTG raises to 1,000, UTG+1 folds, MP calls 920 and is all in, Hero raises to 2,699, 4 folds, UTG calls 1,699
Flop (7,468) 7 5 6
UTG checks, Hero bets 1,955, UTG calls 1,955
Turn (11,378) 7 5 6 6
UTG checks, Hero checks
River (11,378) 7 5 6 6 2
UTG bets 8,000, Hero folds

Jan. 10, 2016 | 2:45 p.m.

You didn't list the BI, but as this is in the midstakes range I see villains range with this particular line as being very bluff heavy. I think we can leave most FH's out as he's probably folding 3's preflop and sometimes also 7's. Also most 9x except T9s and 98s (the odds 97s would also make sense). Which we all block of course. Of course he wouldn't often do this with an overpair, but still I think the aforementioned combos outweigh this.

That leaves us with a lot of draw combos that got heavily devalued with the turn. Like T8s, a few 86s and some random FD's and other bluffs.

Given this I would call and re-evaluate river. Meaning I would check a blank and give villain the possibility of firing one last barrel. I would c/f only on the worst completed draws.

Jan. 5, 2016 | 6:24 p.m.

Raphael is spot on here

Aug. 16, 2015 | 8:57 p.m.

I'd 3bet to GII preflop. As played I'm raising and hoping to GII vs. his range consisting of a lot of draw combos + some top pairs. There's a ton of bad turn cards to hit and thus we're faced with a tough and awkward decision OTT if we call.

Aug. 12, 2015 | 9:20 a.m.

I fold to his 3bet preflop, don't wanna play a 3bet OOP with a hand that plays as bad as this against villains range. As played I don't mind the flop call, but would probably C/R to GII on this wet a board. There's a lot of bad turn cards out. One of them hits on the turn which is why I don't mind a turn fold as played, our hand pretty much turns into a bluff catcher against a double barrel.

Aug. 10, 2015 | 6:32 a.m.

Yeah, for me it's a fold on turn too and all you really have to look at is pot odds (I know you mention the implied odds, but I don't really think that's an issue as you commit pretty much your whole stack this shallow). You have to call 120 to win 380, which means you need about 25% to call. I tried assigning him a range and typing in to PokerStove. If he has a range consisting of sets, top pairs (which he can have a load of combinations of given the preflop limp), the occasional two pairs + some bluffs with backdoor possibilities, that gives you 17,7%

Aug. 7, 2015 | 6:26 a.m.

Yeah, it's really all a matter of ranges, but as tscaranto mention you need to have a balanced range, meaning you'll have both an open/call and an open/fold range. Regarding opening PP's, that's a close spot, as you can incorporate some of the lowest PP's in the most of your opening ranges, but I don't think it's ever really a mistake to fold 22-55 from EP with 30-40 bb or lower.

Aug. 7, 2015 | 6:07 a.m.

I agree, 99 is on the edge, but given both you and SB's range is pretty wide - despite him actually 3betting - I think 99 plays just about OK against BB's range. But as above, 99 is in the bottom of my shoving range in this spot. Folding wouldn't be a mistake too, I think.

Aug. 6, 2015 | 8:21 a.m.

I'd squeeze pre. This semi-shallow KQs isn't in my calling range as it plays pretty bad against both villains' ranges, but plays fine as a 3bet bluff. As played I'm with Raphael in the flop play.

Aug. 6, 2015 | 8:17 a.m.

Alright, thanks for posting guys. I elected to fold after 3-4 minutes thinking and he shows A6sd.

June 27, 2015 | 5:08 p.m.

Why? By doing this I make my range pretty top heavy and just straight out fold out all his bluffs.

June 27, 2015 | 5:07 p.m.

We're at day 1A of €1100 Unibet Open Glasgow last week, so this is going to be from memory. Blinds 600/1200-100. I open from UTG (my stack is about 120K) to 2400 with KKcs. MP flats, CO flats and BTN (stack about 80K) squeezes to 8000. I call, MP and CO fold.

Flop is QJJss.

I check, BTN bet a little over half pot, I call.

Turn is 3 no FD completes.

I check once again, BTN bets about half pot, I call.

River is a total brick, 2 no FD completes.

I check and BTN almost instantly announces all-in for almost 60K with is about a pot bet. I have a little about 80K. This on the second last level of the day. BTN has only been on the table for a couple of orbits, but from what I've seen he's one of the better players at the table and capable of squeezing wide in this spot. However he reps ultra thin plus I got some serious blockers especially with the K of spades.

What to do?

Note: I elect to just call his squeeze preflop, because though he's been at the table for only a couple of orbits BTN has seen me play AA x2 and one QQ pretty straight forward, for instance 4betting AA preflop and ending at showdown so I try to balance my range and keep his somewhat wide by just flatting. In heinseight I think it would be a big mistake to fold after having this gameplan preflop as I'm under repping my hand. Would like thoughts on this too.

June 14, 2015 | 11:50 a.m.

I don't like it. We're counterfeiting our equity as we only really folds out his bluffs. I can't see him calling anything we have beat a high % of the time. I'll call and re-evaluate river.

I would also suggest you don't post the results as that only leads to more results oriented answers, which isn't as educational :)

May 26, 2015 | 10:28 a.m.

To me it's a clear fold. We're OOP and though we're getting 3-1, stacks are way too shallow to setmine at this point.

May 26, 2015 | 10:17 a.m.

Call. Pretty obv. squeeze spot for him especially giving he's in the big blind. You don't any ICM reasons to take into account and maybe as important - he doesn't either. I expect him to do this with a range of almost every pair (maybe leave out 22-44 due to his passive stats), ATo, A9s and most broadways, which our AJo is ahead of.

I know him having passive stats would signal otherwise, but I don't think we can take this into account when only having 130 hands on him.

May 24, 2015 | 6:38 p.m.

If he's a reg he should know that you'll be coming over the top pretty often in this spot, so I don't think he'll open with as wide a range as if he wasn't leading blinds with <20bb's. So in that combined with the fact that you don't have much FE in a reshove spot I think A4o is clearly too weak. I think I'll only go as low as A9s+ and ATo+.

May 19, 2015 | 11:51 a.m.

It's close, but I'm folding here. I'm reshoving from the button tho. In this position I'll start reshoving A9o+ and A7s+ (and 66+ for pairs).

May 4, 2015 | 12:25 p.m.

Fine by me, never a dream spot villain's stack size and position taken in to account, but 99 should be just above a the break even point of a shoving range, also even though he probably only has a raise/call range in this spot. Unknown villain is doing this with AQo+, AQs+, the occasional AJs and 88+, maybe 77's too (would love to hear other peoples opinion on this maybe?).

May 4, 2015 | 12:18 p.m.

Fold. You have to call 19xx into 31xx and I'm pretty sure KQo isn't playing very well against villlains' ranges 3way. Not 100% sure though, I don't have PokerStove in front of me at the time being. Try typing in some ranges in PokerStove and see for yourself.

Only thing that would make me consider calling is if we're in the final minute/seconds of the level, as this would greatly diminish our FE in the next hands.

May 4, 2015 | 12:12 p.m.

I'm leaning towards a flat to keep UTG+1's iso-range pretty wide and giving MP2 room to make mistakes. If MP2 shoves it also opens the possibility of UTG+1 iso-shoving a relatively wide as we're underrepping our hand.

May 4, 2015 | 12:06 p.m.

Comment | Degnovic commented on AK on bubble in BB

Close one. Could seem BTN is doing this with a wide range and we should take the stats provided into consideration, but not too much as it's a very small sample. It would easily be skewed due to just a small run of good cards. Add to that the ICM calculation and that both have you covered. People are fairly ICM locked at this point, and this especially makes UTG+1's open strong. Should we shove, we could easily see a call from him plus of course the same from the button. AK is of course always a strong hand, but it doesn't have that much equity against villains' ranges in this given spot.

We don't have that much FE either, so often our best scenario would be to end up in a flip (I don't really see us ending up against anything considerably worse, not even AQ).

So especially given the ICM consideration I don't mind a fold. Don't like the use of the term to wait for a better spot, but I'm very close to doing it, if you get my overall point.

July 21, 2014 | 2:52 p.m.

I would take the free card and go for value if I hit. Don't mind the way you played the hand, but don't think it's a good bluff spot from the turn, especially given stack sizing. He signals strength if calls a turn bet, and we often get a spot, where we have to bluff the river too often if we hit. Also to me your turn thinking doesn't quite fit, as I don't think he'll fold a set this easy, and also, if you assign him having a set a big percentage of the, a A or Q won't give you the best hand as often, and you're rather looking into some nasty reverse implied odds. So I would take the free card.

July 18, 2014 | 4:34 a.m.

Or now that I think of it, have you raised it bigger on the flop, stack sizes would actually dictacte a shove on the turn already.

July 18, 2014 | 4:26 a.m.

Yeah, you should've raised it more on the turn, you're missing value by only clicking back. Other than that I prefer raising over just flatting the flop, as it seems we'll often got a call against this type of player.

On the turn you should go for another raise, especially when he makes it this small. Same thing goes as for the flop, but even more here - you're missing value by not raising. This seems as a bit odd form of blocker bet, from a hand, that he doesn't really want to GII with, but can't get rid off (your estiamtion on some overpair seems fair, but I actually think people like this could be overplaying toppair as well, though he of course can't have as many combinations of that given our hand. But throw in some odd two pairs too).

Also, with a raise and a call here we would find ourselves in a perfect spot to shoving the river in regards to stack sizes. So I would just make it something like just a tad bigger regular bet, if it were checked to us, so around 3,800-3,900.

July 18, 2014 | 4:25 a.m.

Thanks for the reply, appreciate it. I get your point, and I agree, thinking about it, from his perspective just flatting turn with top pair makes more sense than anything.

Don't really think we rule out a bluff here, what makes you so certain about that?

July 14, 2014 | 9:50 p.m.

Thanks. Btw I messed up villain 1 and on two streets. Not that it makes a big difference, but it means, that Villain 1 doesn't C/R turn, as I originally wrote.

July 14, 2014 | 4:18 p.m.

I posted this in midstakes, because I don't really think it equals highstakes when being a live MTT. Might even belong to lowstakes.

A hand from memory.

From a $185 Daily Deepstack at the Rio in Vegas. We're 17 left out of 59 starting. Money for top-6, average 32,000-ish.

One of the first hands after a redraw, so only a couple of hands on both villains. Hero has 31,000-ish, both villains around the same. Villain has Hero slightly covered.

Blinds 600/1,200-200

Seat 1: X
Seat 2: Hero
Seat 3: X
Seat 4 (Button): Villain 1
Seat 5 (Small blind):
Seat 6 (Big blind): Villain 2
Seat 7: X
Seat 8: X
Seat 9: X


Ad As

Folded around to Hero, who makes it 2,500. Villain 1 and Villain 2 calls.


Qd 7s 9c

Villain 1 checks, Hero makes it 4,025. Villain 1 and Villain 2 calls.



Villain 1 checks, Hero makes it 6,100, Villain 1 raises to 15,000, Villain 2 fold. Hero shoves.

At the time, my thoughts were, that he could be making this with all sorts of top pair hands on such a dry board, but his turn play limited his hand to AQ, KK, sets and the occasional two pair. I can't see him play any draws this way, though I won't rule out that turn might actually have brought a flush draw, which might leave in combo draws.

I talked myself into getting it in, as I thought he would see a top pair top kicker hand or overpair as close to the nuts in this spot, but sitting reviewing it now makes me think, that it was me, that overplayed the hand. Also, if I actually played it correct against the range I'm assigning him.

July 14, 2014 | 5:50 a.m.

I'd fold preflop. I know we get decent odds to call, but playing a 20bb stack out of position against a UTG opener and a early position caller is not something I prefer.

As played it's fine to me. I'll check the river for some of the same reasons you're mentioning. We have showdown value and his range consists of a lot of missed draws that he'll check back on the river. Only thing he could bluff and represent is a Q. Plus, we don't get him to fold a T and up very often, plus the fact that we're also representing what we have - missed draws.

May 3, 2014 | 3:41 p.m.

It's a fold in my book. I have no problem with the open, but to me it's a raise/fold situation. Especially when you say he's a reg (and a fairly tight one I see) even though his 3bet % is high KJs doesn't have much equity against his 3bet shoving range med 16 bb's. I don't have Pokerstove or similar at hand, so I can't say precisely, but I'm pretty sure we're in very bad against the range I'd assign him. Which would be something along the line of ATs/AJs+ KQs+ and 77+, maybe some lower broadways too.

May 3, 2014 | 3:34 p.m.

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